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jeffmo1

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Since: Aug 31, 2003
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:15 am
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I think you had better read the rules again. The USCG site is filled with comments like:

Sail or Auxiliary Sail Endorsement (Deck License Applicants Only): Masters and Mates may
be endorsed for sail or auxiliary sail, as appropriate. This endorsement authorizes the
holder to operate a sail or auxiliary sail vessel, as applicable, within the scope and
limitations of the license. A written examination is required to demonstrate knowledge of
sailing.

I find it remarkable that for all your claims of being a "Master Mariner" who is "serious
about sailing" you don't actually hold the license to be a master on your own boat!



Simple Simon wrote:
 > "Jeff Morris" <jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom> wrote in message
 > news:_26dne1HwqVw_s-iU-KYvw@comcast.com...
  >> And if the sailing endorsement is useless, so is your license. Or
  >> do you have visions of using it to drive a water taxi?
 >
 >
 > I don't see how you can claim my license is
 > useless without a sail endorsement. My Master's
 > license allows me to take people out on an aux/sail
 > boat and charge them money to do it. Whether I
 > start the motor or not my Master's license is sufficient
 > to make me a legal operation. The only way I'm
 > not legal is if I attempt to captain a pure sailing vessel
 > for hire.
 >
 > Yours is a common misconception about the sailing
 > endorsement. Actually, the sailing endorsement is almost
 > useless because there are really so few sailboats large
 > enough to charter that don't have motors.
 >
 > I hope I've been of some help here.
 >
 > S.Simon - a Captain who is serious about sailing<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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Scott Vernon

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:52 am
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Has Jeff crashed *another* container ship?

SV

"Simple Simon" <Pieman.TakeThisOut@Mincemeat.com> wrote
 >
 > As demonstrated here in this very group by people such as otnmbrd,
 > Shen44 and Jeff Morris the weak link can be weak indeed.
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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pieman

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:01 pm
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"Jeff Morris" <jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom> wrote in message news:LpScnetQIvMGyc6iXTWJiw@comcast.com...
 > I think you had better read the rules again. The USCG site is filled with comments like:
 >
 > Sail or Auxiliary Sail Endorsement (Deck License Applicants Only): Masters and Mates may
 > be endorsed for sail or auxiliary sail, as appropriate. This endorsement authorizes the
 > holder to operate a sail or auxiliary sail vessel, as applicable, within the scope and
 > limitations of the license. A written examination is required to demonstrate knowledge of
 > sailing.
 >
 > I find it remarkable that for all your claims of being a "Master Mariner" who is "serious
 > about sailing" you don't actually hold the license to be a master on your own boat!

I most certainly do hold a license to be master of my own boat.
To make everything perfectly legal all I have to do is tilt the motor
down, start it and let it idle in the water. This officially makes my
sailboat a motor boat even when the sails are up and doing all the
work. (See, I do know the Rules!)

But I don't plan on chartering my own boat - after all, it's my
home and I don't want a bunch of tourists poking around, puking
their guts out, etc. If I should ever need some employ I can always
use my license on a head boat, tour boat, dive boat, etc. I don't
need a sailing endorsement for that.

You're just mad because I represent serious competition for the
few captain jobs that are available. It's a good thing for you, Shen
and otnmbrd that I'm happily retired. You can keep your crummy
jobs for now.

S.Simon - a Captain who is serious about sailing<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Rick4

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Since: Jun 28, 2003
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:49 pm
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 >"One pilot doesn't get it on large commercial aircraft.
  >Two and a navigator are the minimum."

Navigator??

Geez, Nil, you know even less about aviation than maritime operations.
Stick to your little plastic sailboat and stay over on that ASA
newsgroup where you can pretend to be a "master" and no one knows the
difference.

Rick<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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pieman

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:49 pm
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Flown on any 747s lately say from New York to Paris?
You will note a three-man cockpit crew.

S.Simon - a Captain who's serious about sailing


"Rick" <woodtug RemoveThis @dearthlink.nyet> wrote in message news:3F5393C9.8080902@dearthlink.nyet...
  > >"One pilot doesn't get it on large commercial aircraft.
  > >Two and a navigator are the minimum."
 >
 > Navigator??
 >
 > Geez, Nil, you know even less about aviation than maritime operations.
 > Stick to your little plastic sailboat and stay over on that ASA
 > newsgroup where you can pretend to be a "master" and no one knows the
 > difference.
 >
 > Rick
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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