I think the starter is gone now!

Didnt know that could be done! Will definitly try to go that route. I
wonder how much a boat mechanic will charge to tell me for sure if its the
starter or not.

--C

"Gordon" <zumachg.DeleteThis@tscnet.com> wrote in message
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 > Pull the old one and have rebuilt. Much cheaper and it has to come out
 > anyway.
 > Gordon
 > "Ree-Yees" <ree-yees.DeleteThis@allaroundit.com> wrote in message
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  > > I guess I dont have much luck on the water
  > >
  > > When I crank it it will try a couple times to turn over and some smoke
 > comes
  > > out of the starter. Tried jumping it from a running car to make sure it
 > had
  > > plenty of juice, but did the same thing.
  > >
  > > I was floating out on the lake when this happened and had to have the
lake
  > > patrol pull me in for $50!
  > >
  > > Anyways, anyone know what kind of starter I should be asking for when I
 > call
  > > around tomorrow? My motor is a 1987 Mercruiser inboard/outboad motor.
  > >
  > > I'll try calling some boat shops I guess to find one.
  > > Thanks,
  > > --C
  > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 >
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--C
If you let the smoke out of it there is a really good chance its damaged.I
would agree with rebuilding it.Make sure there is nothing dragging it
down.Ground it well.
Chad
"Ree-Yees" <ree-yees DeleteThis @allaroundit.com> wrote in message
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 > Didnt know that could be done! Will definitly try to go that route. I
 > wonder how much a boat mechanic will charge to tell me for sure if its the
 > starter or not.
 >
 > --C
 >
 > "Gordon" <zumachg DeleteThis @tscnet.com> wrote in message
 > news:AEUpc.5936$3d3.5361@fe07.usenetserver.com...
  > > Pull the old one and have rebuilt. Much cheaper and it has to come out
  > > anyway.
  > > Gordon
  > > "Ree-Yees" <ree-yees DeleteThis @allaroundit.com> wrote in message
  > > news:95Upc.23147$pE.17038@fe18.usenetserver.com...
   > > > I guess I dont have much luck on the water
   > > >
   > > > When I crank it it will try a couple times to turn over and some smoke
  > > comes
   > > > out of the starter. Tried jumping it from a running car to make sure
it
  > > had
   > > > plenty of juice, but did the same thing.
   > > >
   > > > I was floating out on the lake when this happened and had to have the
 > lake
   > > > patrol pull me in for $50!
   > > >
   > > > Anyways, anyone know what kind of starter I should be asking for when
I
  > > call
   > > > around tomorrow? My motor is a 1987 Mercruiser inboard/outboad motor.
   > > >
   > > > I'll try calling some boat shops I guess to find one.
   > > > Thanks,
   > > > --C
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 >
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"Ree-Yees" <ree-yees DeleteThis @allaroundit.com> wrote:


All this has already been but...

If there was smoke coming from the starter it
is almost certainly damaged.

Usual testing of a starter is they remove it and
then directly connect a known good battery
to it. Since there is no load on it, it should
"pop up" and spin freely.

Sometimes a starter has a "bad spot". This
means that it works sometimes and not
other times. This is why rapping a starter
with a hammer will sometimes/often get it
to start. You still need to replace the starter,
but the hammer trick may get you out of
a bind. Good for vehicles and boats.

Rebuilt is often the way to go. Cheaper and
usually just as good. We had ours rebuilt. And
if it's a common model they might already
have one rebuilt and you just swap yours for
that one.

Anyone know if renuilders usually offer any length
of warrantee...or is it usually "as is" ??

I'm not sure what our vendor's policy is/was.

Good Luck.
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"Ree-Yees" <ree-yees.DeleteThis@allaroundit.com> wrote in message
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 > I guess I dont have much luck on the water
 >
 > When I crank it it will try a couple times to turn over and some smoke
comes
 > out of the starter. Tried jumping it from a running car to make sure it
had
 > plenty of juice, but did the same thing.
 >
 > I was floating out on the lake when this happened and had to have the lake
 > patrol pull me in for $50!
 >
 > Anyways, anyone know what kind of starter I should be asking for when I
call
 > around tomorrow? My motor is a 1987 Mercruiser inboard/outboad motor.
 >
 > I'll try calling some boat shops I guess to find one.
 > Thanks,

You already got the advice on getting your starter rebuilt.

What kind of engine is it? If it's an I/O, it is sometimes absolutely the
best route to get your current starter rebuilt vs. buying a new or rebuilt
one - there's some shimming issues (I was told).

If it's an outboard - in case you didn't know it, you can pull start them
(generally). I have done it many times in the past with quite large
engines. I actually have a starter cord in my box of "stuff" for my V6
outboard, never used it yet! My friend and I pull started his Merc 175
sport jet a few years back. Had to do this the entire weekend until he had
a chance to fix it.

It's not fun, but if need be, it can be a real life saver.

Cam<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Camilo" <campascual.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > "Ree-Yees" <ree-yees.RemoveThis@allaroundit.com> wrote

  > > around tomorrow? My motor is a 1987 Mercruiser inboard/outboad motor.
 > You already got the advice on getting your starter rebuilt.

 > What kind of engine is it? If it's an I/O, it is sometimes absolutely the
 > best route to get your current starter rebuilt vs. buying a new or rebuilt
 > one - there's some shimming issues (I was told).

Oops - didn't notice that you'd already said it was a mercruiser i/o. My
comment about the shims applies installing starters on GM 5.0 / 5.7 l (305/
350 ci) blocks, whether they be automobile or marinized. (so I've been
told - I'm not a mechanic, but have received advice from a couple on this
issue) I was told, once you get a starter fitted to one of these blocks,
keep it. I ended up with two starters on my old GM 5.7 boat engine - just
by chance, but it ended up being a good thing a couple of years later when
my starter went out and I could save some time by re-installing the old (and
rebuilt one) easily because it had already been shimmed.

My comment about pull starting I take back!! Hey good luck getting back on
the water.

Also please post a follow up to your water drainage issue.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I tried putting a whole new battery cable on just to amke sure. Its so bad
now that most of the time it just clicks and doesnt even try to turn over.

Ive ordered a new one from a local marine shop for $200. I'll be having my
mechanic friend put it on but if for some reason he was unsuccessfull the
marine shop charges $120 for the installation

--C

"Gary Warner" <jabadoodle.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Ree-Yees" <ree-yees.RemoveThis@allaroundit.com> wrote:
 >
 >
 > All this has already been but...
 >
 > If there was smoke coming from the starter it
 > is almost certainly damaged.
 >
 > Usual testing of a starter is they remove it and
 > then directly connect a known good battery
 > to it. Since there is no load on it, it should
 > "pop up" and spin freely.
 >
 > Sometimes a starter has a "bad spot". This
 > means that it works sometimes and not
 > other times. This is why rapping a starter
 > with a hammer will sometimes/often get it
 > to start. You still need to replace the starter,
 > but the hammer trick may get you out of
 > a bind. Good for vehicles and boats.
 >
 > Rebuilt is often the way to go. Cheaper and
 > usually just as good. We had ours rebuilt. And
 > if it's a common model they might already
 > have one rebuilt and you just swap yours for
 > that one.
 >
 > Anyone know if renuilders usually offer any length
 > of warrantee...or is it usually "as is" ??
 >
 > I'm not sure what our vendor's policy is/was.
 >
 > Good Luck.
 >
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I posted a follup up to my water leaking problem for you.

Yesterday evening I removed the starter from the boat. I hooked it up to
the battery and it splun freely. I took it down to the autoparts store
where they can do a load test. The first run with it it made some terrible
grinding noises. The next time all it got was click, click, click. Then we
beat it with a hammer and it ran fine with the load but was pulling 5 times
of the normal amount of battery power. So the starter is definitly busted.

I have a new one on the way that I should be able to pick up today for $200.
I couldnt find a mechanic around me that could rebuild them. They all said
they woudl have to send it off for a week. So I guess I'll be sporting a
new one in my boat if it arrives today.

Hopefully that will put me back in the water this evening.

--C

"Camilo" <campascual.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Camilo" <campascual.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:2gshs9F6apmpU1@uni-berlin.de...
  > > "Ree-Yees" <ree-yees.RemoveThis@allaroundit.com> wrote
 >
   > > > around tomorrow? My motor is a 1987 Mercruiser inboard/outboad motor.
  > > You already got the advice on getting your starter rebuilt.
 >
  > > What kind of engine is it? If it's an I/O, it is sometimes absolutely
the
  > > best route to get your current starter rebuilt vs. buying a new or
rebuilt
  > > one - there's some shimming issues (I was told).
 >
 > Oops - didn't notice that you'd already said it was a mercruiser i/o. My
 > comment about the shims applies installing starters on GM 5.0 / 5.7 l
(305/
 > 350 ci) blocks, whether they be automobile or marinized. (so I've been
 > told - I'm not a mechanic, but have received advice from a couple on this
 > issue) I was told, once you get a starter fitted to one of these blocks,
 > keep it. I ended up with two starters on my old GM 5.7 boat engine - just
 > by chance, but it ended up being a good thing a couple of years later when
 > my starter went out and I could save some time by re-installing the old
(and
 > rebuilt one) easily because it had already been shimmed.
 >
 > My comment about pull starting I take back!! Hey good luck getting back
on
 > the water.
 >
 > Also please post a follow up to your water drainage issue.
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I posted a follup up to my water leaking problem for you.

Yesterday evening I removed the starter from the boat. I hooked it up to
the battery and it splun freely. I took it down to the autoparts store
where they can do a load test. The first run with it it made some terrible
grinding noises. The next time all it got was click, click, click. Then we
beat it with a hammer and it ran fine with the load but was pulling 5 times
of the normal amount of battery power. So the starter is definitly busted.

I have a new one on the way that I should be able to pick up today for $200.
I couldnt find a mechanic around me that could rebuild them. They all said
they woudl have to send it off for a week. So I guess I'll be sporting a
new one in my boat if it arrives today.

Hopefully that will put me back in the water this evening.

--C

"Camilo" <campascual.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Camilo" <campascual.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:2gshs9F6apmpU1@uni-berlin.de...
  > > "Ree-Yees" <ree-yees.RemoveThis@allaroundit.com> wrote
 >
   > > > around tomorrow? My motor is a 1987 Mercruiser inboard/outboad motor.
  > > You already got the advice on getting your starter rebuilt.
 >
  > > What kind of engine is it? If it's an I/O, it is sometimes absolutely
the
  > > best route to get your current starter rebuilt vs. buying a new or
rebuilt
  > > one - there's some shimming issues (I was told).
 >
 > Oops - didn't notice that you'd already said it was a mercruiser i/o. My
 > comment about the shims applies installing starters on GM 5.0 / 5.7 l
(305/
 > 350 ci) blocks, whether they be automobile or marinized. (so I've been
 > told - I'm not a mechanic, but have received advice from a couple on this
 > issue) I was told, once you get a starter fitted to one of these blocks,
 > keep it. I ended up with two starters on my old GM 5.7 boat engine - just
 > by chance, but it ended up being a good thing a couple of years later when
 > my starter went out and I could save some time by re-installing the old
(and
 > rebuilt one) easily because it had already been shimmed.
 >
 > My comment about pull starting I take back!! Hey good luck getting back
on
 > the water.
 >
 > Also please post a follow up to your water drainage issue.
 >
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:48:09 -0500, "Ree-Yees"
<ree-yees RemoveThis @allaroundit.com> wrote:

 >I posted a follup up to my water leaking problem for you.
 >
 >Yesterday evening I removed the starter from the boat. I hooked it up to
 >the battery and it splun freely. I took it down to the autoparts store
 >where they can do a load test. The first run with it it made some terrible
 >grinding noises. The next time all it got was click, click, click. Then we
 >beat it with a hammer and it ran fine with the load but was pulling 5 times
 >of the normal amount of battery power. So the starter is definitly busted.
 >
 >I have a new one on the way that I should be able to pick up today for $200.
 >I couldnt find a mechanic around me that could rebuild them. They all said
 >they woudl have to send it off for a week. So I guess I'll be sporting a
 >new one in my boat if it arrives today.
 >
 >Hopefully that will put me back in the water this evening.

Hopefully the new starter is marine rated. Otherwise you run the risk
of exposed sparks potentially causing an explosion if gasoline fumes
were to accumulate in your bilge.

Dave<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Ree-Yees" <ree-yees RemoveThis @allaroundit.com> wrote

snip
 > I have a new one on the way that I should be able to pick up today for
$200.
 > I couldnt find a mechanic around me that could rebuild them. They all
said
 > they woudl have to send it off for a week. So I guess I'll be sporting a
 > new one in my boat if it arrives today.
 >
 > Hopefully that will put me back in the water this evening.

I was in the same "boat" myself - had to buy a new one to get back on the
water sooner rather than later. I suggest you go ahead and get the old one
rebuilt anyway - you might be surprised that it would pay off some day when
you're in the same position of having a broken starter. It happens...
btdt.

Cam<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 > On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:48:09 -0500, "Ree-Yees"> >I have a new one on the
way that I should be able to pick up today for $200.
  > >I couldnt find a mechanic around me that could rebuild them. They all
said
  > >they woudl have to send it off for a week. So I guess I'll be sporting a
  > >new one in my boat if it arrives today.
  > >
  > >Hopefully that will put me back in the water this evening.
 >

By the way, in case you didn't know, the sort of place that generally
rebuilds starters (and alternators) is an electric motor rebuild shop - not
a "normal" mechanic. In my town, they're listed in the Yellow Pages under
"Electric Motors - Dealers and Repairing".

Rather than relying on my mechanic to take care of it, I've been able to
save several days - even up to a week - in this process by calling around
the shops and finding one that can take the project sooner than others, and
hand carrying the starter myself to that shop. My mechanic is a good guy
and excellent mechanic. But like most parts of his business, he has a
re-build shop he tends to deal with and takes whatever scheduling they
offer. Sometimes that's several days slower than another shop could do it.
He just doesn't mess with calling around for stuff like this. Also, it
might be a full day before he actually takes the starter over to the shop.

Last time I needed this done, I was able to get it done by the end of the
next day vs. the approximately 5 or more days it would have taken if it had
followed a more passive route with my mechanic.

The rebulid shops in my town marinize the ones intended for boats. There's
fairly minor - but significant - differences between automotive and marine
starters, and the cost difference for rebuilding is small.

Good luck, hope you're back on the water soon.

Cam<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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