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Del Cecchi

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:04 pm
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"Bruce in Alaska" <bruceg.TakeThisOut@btpost.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3e1cj8Fmid2U1.TakeThisOut@individual.net>,
> "Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam.TakeThisOut@att.net> wrote:
>
>> So to summarize, with the possible exception of CB there is no legal way
>> for
>> me to keep in contact while out fishing that is affordable and likely to
>> work. However, since I am pretty well off in the boonies with no Coast
>> Guard and few federal officials I could likely get away with VHF, since
>> it
>> would really be difficult to distinguish my "base station" from another
>> boat, and boat to boat communication is perfectly all right. Besides by
>> the time they tracked me down summer would be over.
>> Smile
>>
>> del
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well Yes, all that you state is true, but a Person with an Ounce of
> PERSONAL INTEGRITY, wouldn't violate the Law just for convience.
> Actually you could very easily just get yourself a Business Radio
> Service License, and use Land Mobile VHF Radios and be perfectly
> LEGAL, in all respects. I am suprised no one else came up with that
> option. It is what Business Radio Service is all about. You will not
> get your own Private Frequency, but a shared frequency with PL would do
> you just spiffy.....
>
>
> Bruce in alaska once an FCC Field Agent.........
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Well Bruce, did you ever drive faster than 55 between 1980 and a few years
ago? Smile Anyway, I was just summarizing options. So where does one buy
those business radios, and what does the license cost?

del

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Rodney Myrvaagnes

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 3:59 pm
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On Fri, 6 May 2005 21:34:12 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
<dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote:

>Since Ch 06 is a safety channel, you generally get chased off pretty
>quickly if engaging in idle chitchat. We used to use Ch 6 while traveling
>in a group and one of our group is retired CG.
>
In eastern Maine, it is a chit-chat channel for the commercial
fishermen, full time.
Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 5:41 pm
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"Rodney Myrvaagnes" <rodneym.RemoveThis@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 6 May 2005 21:34:12 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
> <dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote:
>
>>Since Ch 06 is a safety channel, you generally get chased off pretty
>>quickly if engaging in idle chitchat. We used to use Ch 6 while traveling
>>in a group and one of our group is retired CG.
>>
> In eastern Maine, it is a chit-chat channel for the commercial
> fishermen, full time.

I suppose that such chit-chat can be considered safety related. Not so
around
here.

> Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a
>
> The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the
> simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
> - Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 7:44 pm
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On 2005-05-06 bruceg.TakeThisOut@btpost.net said:
>Actually you could very easily just get yourself a Business Radio
>Service License, and use Land Mobile VHF Radios and be perfectly
>LEGAL, in all respects. I am suprised no one else came up with that
>option. It is what Business Radio Service is all about. You will
>not get your own Private Frequency, but a shared frequency with PL
>would do you just spiffy.
True enough, and he could use the same antenna for marine channels,
albeit with another radio.
THis is the same reason I suggested Murs. Only problem is I'm not
hearing of that much equipment available for murs yet. I think
Popular COmmunications did a review of one unit for the Murs freqs a
couple months back but that's the first I"ve seen.
FOr the original poster, check with reputable two-way radio shops in
your area regarding business band equipment for vhf. IF all else
fails ask your plumber heating contractor or other businessmen you
deal with who use two-way radio equipment in their endeavors to steer
you to their provider of services. YOu might find some used
equipment at a reasonable price.
IF you buy new often an application is included for the license.
FOr Murs equipment I think good ol' radio slack is selling murs
equipment these days, those are the "color dot" channels in the vhf
range around 154-155 mhz. NO license required and with a decent
antenna at the cabin you could conceivably achieve ten mile range.





Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b
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Bruce in Alaska

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:15 am
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In article <GvidnXlMptqmhuHfRVn-1A.TakeThisOut@cablespeedmd.com>,
"Doug Dotson" <dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote:

> Since Ch 06 is a safety channel, you generally get chased off pretty
> quickly if engaging in idle chitchat. We used to use Ch 6 while traveling
> in a group and one of our group is retired CG.

The problem with Marine Channel 06, is that it is a "Ship to Ship Only"
Channel and the USCG Coast stations don't monitor it like they do
Marine Ch. 16 and Marine Ch 22A, so really no one is "Official"
is monitoring Ch. 06 anymore since the FCC closed all the Fixed Base
Monitoring Stations that had VHf Capability in the Field Offices.
the USCG keeps Ch. 16 cleaned up and the Big boys keep Ch. 13 fairly
clean, but Ch. 06 is kindof like "NoMans Land" these days.

Bruce in alaska
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:22 am
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In article <iU8fe.11694$RG2.7567@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
0junk4me.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net wrote:

> True enough, and he could use the same antenna for marine channels,
> albeit with another radio.
> THis is the same reason I suggested Murs. Only problem is I'm not
> hearing of that much equipment available for murs yet. I think
> Popular COmmunications did a review of one unit for the Murs freqs a
> couple months back but that's the first I"ve seen.
> FOr the original poster, check with reputable two-way radio shops in
> your area regarding business band equipment for vhf. IF all else
> fails ask your plumber heating contractor or other businessmen you
> deal with who use two-way radio equipment in their endeavors to steer
> you to their provider of services. YOu might find some used
> equipment at a reasonable price.
> IF you buy new often an application is included for the license.
> FOr Murs equipment I think good ol' radio slack is selling murs
> equipment these days, those are the "color dot" channels in the vhf
> range around 154-155 mhz. NO license required and with a decent
> antenna at the cabin you could conceivably achieve ten mile range.

All the Land Mobile OEM's make a MURS version of their low cost
handhelds. They sell them to Constuction Outfits that need
Nationwide Coverage, and Licensing for fairly short distance
communications. All the MURS Frequencies came from the Intinerant
VHF Frequencies out of the bBsiness Radio Service block of allocations.
These are the old "Color Dot Frequencies". Same stuff, new Name.....


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Bruce in Alaska

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:42 am
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In article <3e2h32Ftfa8U1.TakeThisOut@individual.net>,
"Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam.TakeThisOut@att.net> wrote:

> Well Bruce, did you ever drive faster than 55 between 1980 and a few years
> ago? Smile Anyway, I was just summarizing options. So where does one buy
> those business radios, and what does the license cost?
>
> del

Nope, I live far out in the alaskan bush, and I don't drive on Federal
Roads. There aren't any around here, In fact, the nearest road, that
connects to anywhere, is 350 miles north.

Any Radio Shop in the phonebook can sell you the radios, and they also
can help you with the licensing paperwork. The license is a bit over
$100US as I recall, but that is good for 5 or 10 years.

I still do FCC License Consulting, but I am not cheap. ( $160US/hr )
Mostly Marine Coast Stations and Specialty Exemption Requests, and I
still have a bunch of good contacts in Gettysburg, PA. Just finished
a bunch of RadioLocation Experimental STA's for some small protable
Radar Speed Sensers last month. They are used in RollerCoaster
Testing all around the US, and exceed Part 15 Power Levels, hence
the requirement for the STA's, (Special Temperary Authority) untill
Licensing can figure out what FCC Form the Permenant Station License
needs to be applied for, on, and exactly what Service they are going to
License these devices under. Navigating the FCC Licensing Forms
is a major pain in the ass, but if you know exactly what "Buzz Words",
to stick in which boxes, you can usually get an application "Granted"
first time thru. If not, you lose your Application Fee, and have to
start over. That is what makes Licensing Consulting, such a profitable
sideline.


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Larry W4CSC1

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 8:52 am
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"Doug Dotson" <dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote in
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> And the fact that there is a big fine if you get caught isn;t a factor?
>

Hee hee....I knew someone who ran a pest control business in Greenville,
SC, up in the SC mountains on marine channel 10 for many years. He had a
70' tower at his office quite high in altitude running 25W to the 25W
mobiles. I guess FCC doesn't listen to marine radio much in the
mountains....(c;
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:12 am
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"Jim Donohue" <jimnews DeleteThis @donohueteam.com> wrote in
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> It is a piece of cake for 2 meter amateur. I suspect that I could
> coach a 10 year old in to passing the test in 3 or 4 hours. Adults
> should take half that long.
>

I used to teach ham radio classes, here in SC. My record is a 7-year-old
Novice who failed his first code test, not because he couldn't copy 5wpm,
but because he ran out of paper during the test because his letters were
too large!...(c; He got his General Class when he was 9, breezing through
the 13 wpm code test, his Advanced at 10 (which cost me a $20 bet) and his
Extra Class at 12, winning the $20 bet because he had his Extra Class
before he became a teenager.

He's an electrical engineer, now. I helped ruin his whole life....(c;

Damned smartassed kids....Best $40 I ever lost.
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