best way to secure sit-on-tops

External Since: Sep 09, 2007 Posts: 10

On Sep 13, 7:42 am, Wilko <look....TakeThisOut@my.sig> wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99....TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> >>>>>>>>> pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> >>>>>>>>> cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
> >>>>>>>> That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> >>>>>>>> that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> >>>>>>>> cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
> >>>>>>>> holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
> >>>>>>>> protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
> >>>>>>>> bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
> >>>>>>> There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
> >>>>>>> Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
> >>>>>>> chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
> >>>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>> The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
> >>>>>>> it!!
> >>>>>>> Wink

> >>>>>>> John Kuthe...
> >>>>>> Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
> >>>>>> thoughts...
> >>>>>> I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
> >>>>>> or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
> >>>>>> category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
> >>>>>> say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
> >>>>>> away" in the middle of the night.
> >>>>>> Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
> >>>>>> make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
> >>>>>> possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
> >>>>>> NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
> >>>>>> they can sleep well. Wink

> >>>>> Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
> >>>>> made, no matter how hard or tough.
> >>>>> Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
> >>>>> (PGP? Wink

) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! Smile

> >>>> Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
> >>>> (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
> >>>> waved it goodbye.
> >>> Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
> >> I didn't read that part...
>
> >> The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
> >> somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
> >> know.
>
> > That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
> > bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
> > rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
> > almost impossible.
>
> That's not the case, John.
>
> When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one
> steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me
> that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a
> simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the
> part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't
> survive that treatment.

I can see the rats are pretty educated and resourceful nowadays. But I
finally figured out the lock for the kayak, "rat proof." Coming soon.

It would take the rats another 10 million years of evolution to
develop steel teeth.

External Since: May 31, 2007 Posts: 24

On Sep 13, 6:42 am, Wilko <look....RemoveThis@my.sig> wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> >>>>>>>>> pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> >>>>>>>>> cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
> >>>>>>>> That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> >>>>>>>> that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> >>>>>>>> cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
> >>>>>>>> holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
> >>>>>>>> protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
> >>>>>>>> bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
> >>>>>>> There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
> >>>>>>> Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
> >>>>>>> chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
> >>>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>> The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
> >>>>>>> it!!
> >>>>>>> Wink

> >>>>>>> John Kuthe...
> >>>>>> Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
> >>>>>> thoughts...
> >>>>>> I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
> >>>>>> or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
> >>>>>> category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
> >>>>>> say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
> >>>>>> away" in the middle of the night.
> >>>>>> Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
> >>>>>> make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
> >>>>>> possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
> >>>>>> NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
> >>>>>> they can sleep well. Wink

> >>>>> Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
> >>>>> made, no matter how hard or tough.
> >>>>> Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
> >>>>> (PGP? Wink

) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it! Smile

> >>>> Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
> >>>> (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
> >>>> waved it goodbye.
> >>> Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
> >> I didn't read that part...
>
> >> The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
> >> somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
> >> know.
>
> > That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
> > bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
> > rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
> > almost impossible.
>
> That's not the case, John.
>
> When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one
> steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me
> that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a
> simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the
> part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't
> survive that treatment.
>
> Another tactic is to drive a van to where there are a lot of bicycles,
> and cut the weakest link (isn't always the lock) to pick the best ones
> and toss them quickly in the van, before disappearring.
>
> Granted, our society has a lot more bicycles per person, and the use of
> them for normal every day transportation is also higher, so there are
> more bicycles around to be stolen... Sad

> Having said that, there are all kinds (noth in price and quality) of
> bicycle locks available here, including ones which are able to withstand
> all kinds of cutting and freezing attacks (don't know about a torch Smile

).

*I* know about the oxyacetylene cutting torch! I used to own one.
7000F flame and a jet of pure O2 to oxidize the Fe once it has been
heated to a liquid state.

As I said, no steel in the world can hold up intact. It's impossible.
And silent too! Of course it requires some hardware to make it happen.

John Kuthe...