best way to secure sit-on-tops

On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich

That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
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On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> > pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> > cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
>
> That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
> holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
> protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
> bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.

There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
honest.

The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
it!!



John Kuthe...
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> > That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> > that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> > cut cable.

A friend who ran a livery a few years ago used a very thick and long
Kryptonite cable that threaded through the scupper holes of a bunch of SOTs.
This seemed to work OK --never had one stolen. The cable is plastic covered
so no additional insulation was needed. There are Kryptonite cables and
locks available in varying lengths for bicycles. Perhaps such a store would
be a good source of something you can use.

Joe P.
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On Sep 9, 3:25 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> What would be the best way to secure sot's through scupper holes?
> Cables are prone to cutting, but perhaps something similar to a U-lock
> for kayaks. Meant for permanent storage. Thanks in advance!

I'm sold on the Kayak Lasso Cables - Model SLC1200 for Sit on Tops
www.lassosecuritycables.com

I currently use mine on a Dagger Crossover and an Epic Endurance
Great for added security during transport, stop at a restaurant, etc.
You can leave the boat on your car overnight and not worry.
It even works by wrapping it around a pole, tree, or other solid
support.

If someone really, really wants to steal a kayak - it's gone no
matter what you use.
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On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe <johnku... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> > > pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> > > cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
>
> > That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> > that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> > cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
> > holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
> > protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
> > bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
>
> There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
> Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
> chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
> honest.
>
> The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
> it!!
>
>
>
> John Kuthe...

Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
thoughts...

I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
away" in the middle of the night.

Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
they can sleep well.
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On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99....TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> > > > pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> > > > cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
>
> > > That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> > > that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> > > cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
> > > holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
> > > protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
> > > bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
>
> > There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
> > Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
> > chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
> > honest.
>
> > The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
> > it!!
>
> >
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
> thoughts...
>
> I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
> or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
> category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
> say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
> away" in the middle of the night.
>
> Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
> make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
> possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
> NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
> they can sleep well.

Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
made, no matter how hard or tough.

Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
(PGP? ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it!

John Kuthe...
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On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> > > > > pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> > > > > cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
>
> > > > That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> > > > that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> > > > cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
> > > > holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
> > > > protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
> > > > bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
>
> > > There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
> > > Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
> > > chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
> > > honest.
>
> > > The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
> > > it!!
>
> > >
>
> > > John Kuthe...
>
> > Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
> > thoughts...
>
> > I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
> > or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
> > category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
> > say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
> > away" in the middle of the night.
>
> > Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
> > make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
> > possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
> > NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
> > they can sleep well.
>
> Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
> made, no matter how hard or tough.
>
> Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
> (PGP? ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it!
>

Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
(the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
waved it goodbye.

This very upscale shopping center is next to "the jungle" and lacks
any security or cameras for the bikes, and the predators only take
advantage of it, you know.
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On Sep 12, 5:18 pm, bjorri <g... RemoveThis @nl.invalid> wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
> >> make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
> >> possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
> >> NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
> >> they can sleep well.
>
> > Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
> > made, no matter how hard or tough.
>
> > Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
> > (PGP? ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it!
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> But how do you connect a cable to a kayak in a solid way?
>

I'm trying to figure it out. U-locks are considered the only safe way
for bikes.
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On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe <johnku... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe <johnku... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe <johnku... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> > > > > > > pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> > > > > > > cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
>
> > > > > > That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> > > > > > that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> > > > > > cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
> > > > > > holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
> > > > > > protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
> > > > > > bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
>
> > > > > There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
> > > > > Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
> > > > > chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
> > > > > honest.
>
> > > > > The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
> > > > > it!!
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > John Kuthe...
>
> > > > Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
> > > > thoughts...
>
> > > > I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
> > > > or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
> > > > category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
> > > > say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
> > > > away" in the middle of the night.
>
> > > > Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
> > > > make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
> > > > possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
> > > > NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
> > > > they can sleep well.
>
> > > Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
> > > made, no matter how hard or tough.
>
> > > Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
> > > (PGP? ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it!
>
> > Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
> > (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
> > waved it goodbye.
>
> Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
>

I didn't read that part...

The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
know.

I still bought the same cable to secure a cheaper kayak I got because
I like the feature that Pythons are adjustable. And will get the
better cable for another one more costly and the chain for the one
super expensive down the line. I'm talking about permanent storing in
fairly safe neighborhoods. Not many rats around.
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On Sep 12, 8:44 pm, John Kuthe <johnku... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe <johnku... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe <johnku... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe <johnku... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> > > > > > > > > pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> > > > > > > > > cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
>
> > > > > > > > That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> > > > > > > > that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> > > > > > > > cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
> > > > > > > > holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
> > > > > > > > protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
> > > > > > > > bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
>
> > > > > > > There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
> > > > > > > Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
> > > > > > > chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
> > > > > > > honest.
>
> > > > > > > The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
> > > > > > > it!!
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > John Kuthe...
>
> > > > > > Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
> > > > > > thoughts...
>
> > > > > > I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
> > > > > > or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
> > > > > > category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
> > > > > > say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
> > > > > > away" in the middle of the night.
>
> > > > > > Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
> > > > > > make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
> > > > > > possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
> > > > > > NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
> > > > > > they can sleep well.
>
> > > > > Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
> > > > > made, no matter how hard or tough.
>
> > > > > Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
> > > > > (PGP? ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it!
>
> > > > Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
> > > > (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
> > > > waved it goodbye.
>
> > > Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
>
> > I didn't read that part...
>
> > The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
> > somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
> > know.
>
> That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
> bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
> rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
> almost impossible.
>
> And if "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack...", the lock
> must not have been broken, else the cable would NOT have been securely
> locked to the bike rack. And neither could the cable have been cut,
> else it would NOT have been "...securely locked to the bike rack..."
>
> Something's fishy here!
>
> John Kuthe...-

I know, but rats are survivors and very smart. They (real rats) eat
tiny amounts of suspect food, so to avoid being poisoned. That's why
many poisons nowadays are slowly released, so the rat gets confident.

I suspected the guy slided the lock out the cable, but I tried later
the same technique on the same bigger cable that was stucked and
wouldn't come out, even when trying to pry it open with a tool. Had to
cut it with a drill. But maybe the nasty predators just spit on it.
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John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

>> Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
>> make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
>> possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
>> NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
>> they can sleep well.
>
> Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
> made, no matter how hard or tough.
>
> Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
> (PGP? ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
But how do you connect a cable to a kayak in a solid way?

bjorri.
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On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99....TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
> > > > > > > > pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
> > > > > > > > cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
>
> > > > > > > That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
> > > > > > > that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
> > > > > > > cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
> > > > > > > holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
> > > > > > > protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
> > > > > > > bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
>
> > > > > > There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
> > > > > > Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
> > > > > > chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
> > > > > > honest.
>
> > > > > > The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
> > > > > > it!!
>
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > John Kuthe...
>
> > > > > Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
> > > > > thoughts...
>
> > > > > I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
> > > > > or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
> > > > > category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
> > > > > say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
> > > > > away" in the middle of the night.
>
> > > > > Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
> > > > > make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
> > > > > possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
> > > > > NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
> > > > > they can sleep well.
>
> > > > Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
> > > > made, no matter how hard or tough.
>
> > > > Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
> > > > (PGP? ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it!
>
> > > Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
> > > (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
> > > waved it goodbye.
>
> > Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
>
> I didn't read that part...
>
> The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
> somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
> know.

That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
almost impossible.

And if "The cable was securely locked to the bike rack...", the lock
must not have been broken, else the cable would NOT have been securely
locked to the bike rack. And neither could the cable have been cut,
else it would NOT have been "...securely locked to the bike rack..."

Something's fishy here!

John Kuthe...
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John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sep 12, 7:20 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sep 12, 6:14 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 4:47 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 12, 5:11 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 12, 3:57 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 9, 10:33 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 9:22 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 5:48 pm, "rich" <rich99....DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'd imagine that you could cut up an old rubber /plastic garden hose into
>>>>>>>>> pieces and use them as "protectors" between the scupper's plastic and the
>>>>>>>>> cable/chain/rope hanger. Rich
>>>>>>>> That's a good idea if you don't want to damage the kayak, but I meant
>>>>>>>> that the diameter of most scupper holes only accomodates an easier to
>>>>>>>> cut cable. Unless you're lucky enough to own a Hobie Cat with wider
>>>>>>>> holes for pedal drives that allow a real heavy duty chain with
>>>>>>>> protector and all, such as I got on my scooter. Such a chain is 100
>>>>>>>> bucks, but I can rest assured that the boat will always be there.
>>>>>>> There is no such thing as a 100% effective security chain or cable.
>>>>>>> Any chain or cable can be cut by the properly equipped thief. Security
>>>>>>> chains and cables are only used to keep the relatively "honest" people
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>> The only 100% effective way to not have something stolen is to not own
>>>>>>> it!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>>> Sorry that I had to be away a couple of days. Anyways, here are my
>>>>>> thoughts...
>>>>>> I consider something "safe" when breaking it would make it so visible
>>>>>> or so noisy as to deter 99% of thieves. Kayaks fit in the former
>>>>>> category: They are usually too visible to walk away with (compared to,
>>>>>> say, bikes), though my ex wife's Ocean Kayak Drifter just "walked
>>>>>> away" in the middle of the night.
>>>>>> Anyway, I'm getting a "Phython" lock cable for my kayak. That would
>>>>>> make it pretty safe, but when I get my next great toy (a tandem,
>>>>>> possibly a Hobie), I will work on a chain that it would make it so
>>>>>> NOISY that cutting it would wake half the neighbors... And I hope that
>>>>>> they can sleep well.
>>>>> Oxyacetylene cutting torches are not noisy, and can cut any steel
>>>>> made, no matter how hard or tough.
>>>>> Yeah, I agree. The Python cables are pretty good protection
>>>>> (PGP? ) I have one for my bicycle, and I use it!
>>>> Sorry to say that my last stolen bike was taken with a Python and all
>>>> (the weaker of the two). I even saw the "rat" roll away with it, and
>>>> waved it goodbye.
>>> Did the "rat" cut the cable, or was it just not securely locked up?
>> I didn't read that part...
>>
>> The cable was securely locked to the bike rack which wasn't cut, so
>> somehow he cut the cable or broke the lock. Why he took it, I don't
>> know.
>
> That makes little to no sense. "The cable was securely locked to the
> bike rack which wasn't cut." Which wasn't cut, the cable or the bike
> rack? The cable, I'm assuming, because to cut a bike rack sounds
> almost impossible.

That's not the case, John.

When my first bike was stolen, which had been locked with two locks, one
steel cable model and one steel bar type, the police officer told me
that it's really simple. They either use a small pneumatic cutter, a
simple disk cutter or spray something of very low temperature on the
part and then hit it. Even strong and very expensive bicycle locks don't
survive that treatment.

Another tactic is to drive a van to where there are a lot of bicycles,
and cut the weakest link (isn't always the lock) to pick the best ones
and toss them quickly in the van, before disappearring.

Granted, our society has a lot more bicycles per person, and the use of
them for normal every day transportation is also higher, so there are
more bicycles around to be stolen...
Having said that, there are all kinds (noth in price and quality) of
bicycle locks available here, including ones which are able to withstand
all kinds of cutting and freezing attacks (don't know about a torch ).


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