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Rick

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:23 am
Post subject: o/b running issues - when warm
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I have a 200hp Suzuki O/B with 3 Mikuni carburettors; all was well
until a recent service.
Now o/b starts perfectly and first run will go superb, when we stop to
change over skier/driver, typically 5 min or so stop, that is when
problem occurs.
The motor restarts OK, but when you engage gear still OK, but as you
open throttle the engine does not pick up, and usually stalls.

The simplest way is to recover seems to be:
a) engage gear and idle away at low speed for a minute or so, engine
then gets to a point where it sounds less lumpy, and it will then run
OK .... A quick 30sec run around and it will be OK to then return to
skier and do an immediate deep water start with no problems. (i.e. no
powering off engine)
b) start engine, and use fast idle lever to increase idle speed to
about 3.5 to 4k revs, do this for about 20 secs ... and again it will
clear and run OK.

This seems to me be something like choking up due to mixture incorrect
..... But why would the first run go so well?

Anybody any ideas? .... I will be taking it back to service agent, but
be good to have some ideas.


Rick

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Jim

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:09 pm
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As part of your service they may have adjusted carb mixture while
running in a shop test tank or on a hose. Test tanks are ok but not
failsafe. I would suspect mixture is too rich on one or more carbs. It
may run well on first start as a cold engine tolerates a richer
mixture. I would expect the dealer to prove the repair to me by
offering an open water test ride after the repair. You can then prove
it out under actual conditions.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:07 am
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I went back to dealer - they commented they never touch carbs on
service (nor the fuel/water separtation filter I also found out by
chance)

They run the engine on muffs ... and weakened the mixture a bit ... one
screw seems to adjust all 3 carbs at same time.
Revs picked up a little at tickover .... out last weekend and all OK,
rich mixture it was.

Rick
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:58 pm
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My opinion is that it was the idle adjustment screw. Mixture adjustments are
not normal procedure these days and most certainly not done with one screw
to adjust three carbs.

One problem with setting up outboards with 'muffs' is that a good idle speed
obtained whilst running with them, will translate to an idle speed that's
too slow when idling in gear in the water. That is, they cannot replicate
any load on the engine.

Ideally, each carbs idle adjustment should be individually set by measuring
(or listening to) the induction. This is known as carb balancing. The
throttle cables should then be set to 'lift' all at the same time.

In practice, as long as you have a reliable idle I wouldn't worry.

CM

"Rick" <rick_hughes.RemoveThis@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> I went back to dealer - they commented they never touch carbs on
> service (nor the fuel/water separtation filter I also found out by
> chance)
>
> They run the engine on muffs ... and weakened the mixture a bit ... one
> screw seems to adjust all 3 carbs at same time.
> Revs picked up a little at tickover .... out last weekend and all OK,
> rich mixture it was.
>
> Rick
>
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Rick Hughes

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:30 pm
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"Clive Matthews" <clive.RemoveThis@cutoutmedialoft.co.uk> wrote in message
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> My opinion is that it was the idle adjustment screw. Mixture adjustments
> are
> not normal procedure these days and most certainly not done with one screw
> to adjust three carbs.
>
> One problem with setting up outboards with 'muffs' is that a good idle
> speed
> obtained whilst running with them, will translate to an idle speed that's
> too slow when idling in gear in the water. That is, they cannot replicate
> any load on the engine.
>
> Ideally, each carbs idle adjustment should be individually set by
> measuring
> (or listening to) the induction. This is known as carb balancing. The
> throttle cables should then be set to 'lift' all at the same time.
>
> In practice, as long as you have a reliable idle I wouldn't worry.
>
> CM
>


When you take the cover off the motor - there is a 'hole' through the oil
tank to a single screw, and on the tank it does clearly state with arrows
.... richer in one direction and weaker in other ... this is the screw he
adjusted, so must assume it is the mixture screw.

There are 3 Mikuni's presume they must be interlinked to allow this to
work.
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Jim

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:37 pm
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Glad you got it sorted. As a note for the future--carbs cannot be
adjusted when running on muffs. The motor MUST be immerssed in water in
order to get the exhaust back pressure and normal prop loading. A lot
of dealers don't have test tanks and must take the boat to a lake or
the sea to do adjustments. Muffs are only good for flushing salt or
checking that it runs--nothing else.
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