uk.rec.boats.motor

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:04:25 +0000, Nick <xxx.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

 >martin wrote:
  >> The make over doesn't appear to have improved it.
 >Maybe not, but give it chance, new users have to stumble across it yet.
 >Plus some ISP's, Blueyonder included, are not carrying it for various
 >reasons - some manually add them periodically, Blueyonder say they don't
 >have the disk space to add new groups until the summer (a poor show).

it's propagating across Europe. Forget Blueyonder and get your news
from elsewhere Berlin for instance.

 >
 >In the end, it can only be better...



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martin wrote:

 > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:04:25 +0000, Nick <xxx RemoveThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
 >
 >
  >>martin wrote:
  >>
   >>>The make over doesn't appear to have improved it.
  >>
  >>Maybe not, but give it chance, new users have to stumble across it yet.
  >>Plus some ISP's, Blueyonder included, are not carrying it for various
  >>reasons - some manually add them periodically, Blueyonder say they don't
  >>have the disk space to add new groups until the summer (a poor show).
 >
 >
 > it's propagating across Europe. Forget Blueyonder and get your news
 > from elsewhere Berlin for instance.

I did, news.individual.net and I've found it to be an excellent news
serivce. Much better than BY's poor attempt - especially for a company
the size of Telewest.

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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:09:38 +0100, martin <anon.DeleteThis@invalid.com> wrote:

 >On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:04:25 +0000, Nick <xxx.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
 >
  >>martin wrote:
   >>> The make over doesn't appear to have improved it.
  >>Maybe not, but give it chance, new users have to stumble across it yet.
  >>Plus some ISP's, Blueyonder included, are not carrying it for various
  >>reasons - some manually add them periodically, Blueyonder say they don't
  >>have the disk space to add new groups until the summer (a poor show).
 >
 >it's propagating across Europe. Forget Blueyonder and get your news
 >from elsewhere Berlin for instance.

whoops! You do already.
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martin wrote:
 > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:04:25 +0000, Nick <xxx DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
 >
  >> martin wrote:
   >>> The make over doesn't appear to have improved it.
  >> Maybe not, but give it chance, new users have to stumble across it
  >> yet. Plus some ISP's, Blueyonder included, are not carrying it for
  >> various reasons - some manually add them periodically, Blueyonder
  >> say they don't have the disk space to add new groups until the
  >> summer (a poor show).
 >
 > it's propagating across Europe. Forget Blueyonder and get your news
 > from elsewhere Berlin for instance.

Blueyonder is not at all bad for binaries groups............but is indeed
cr@p for text news groups.


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Neil Arlidge wrote:
 >
 > Blueyonder is not at all bad for binaries groups............but is indeed
 > cr@p for text news groups.
 >
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<font color=purple> >Follow the travels of the TNC at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk</font" target="_blank">http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk</font</a>>

Nice website by the way. I enjoyed reading your cruising stories,
especially the one inc the Dee and Mersey.

Just out of interest, is there anywhere (besides the estuary) that you
can launch on the Mersey? Up Warrington way or further down river
towards the estuary? It would make for an interesting change and it must
be navigable...??

TIA

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Nick wrote:
 > Neil Arlidge wrote:
  >>
  >> Blueyonder is not at all bad for binaries groups............but is
  >> indeed cr@p for text news groups.
  >>
  >> --
  >> Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest
<font color=green>  >> Follow the travels of the TNC at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk</font" target="_blank">http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk</font</a>>
 >
 > Nice website by the way. I enjoyed reading your cruising stories,
 > especially the one inc the Dee and Mersey.

The Dee bit was only an explo...............that should be knocked off this
April, the last bit of tidal water for Earnest to visit.

 > Just out of interest, is there anywhere (besides the estuary) that you
 > can launch on the Mersey? Up Warrington way or further down river
 > towards the estuary? It would make for an interesting change and it
 > must be navigable...??

The Mersey above Warrington and the non tidal section above Howley Weir
(just to the east of Warrington) is MSCC jurisdiction.........and they DON'T
welcome boaters!
There is a slipway at Fiddler's Ferry Yot Club and in the disused second
lock chamber at Widnes - West Bank (Spike Island)...........but as you have
seen from my website that Mersey does rather flood like a train!
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In message <bumtij$infhr$1@ID-222193.news.uni-berlin.de>, Nick
<xxx.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
 >martin wrote:
 >
  >> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:04:25 +0000, Nick <xxx.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
  >>
   >>>martin wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>The make over doesn't appear to have improved it.
   >>>
   >>>Maybe not, but give it chance, new users have to stumble across it
   >>>yet. Plus some ISP's, Blueyonder included, are not carrying it for
   >>>various reasons - some manually add them periodically, Blueyonder say
   >>>they don't have the disk space to add new groups until the summer (a
   >>>
  >> it's propagating across Europe. Forget Blueyonder and get your news
  >> from elsewhere Berlin for instance.
 >
 >I did, news.individual.net and I've found it to be an excellent news
 >serivce. Much better than BY's poor attempt - especially for a company
 >the size of Telewest.
 >
What size company says it hasn't the resources to fix your line, even if
it has been down for six weeks? My phone is back on today after being
down since early December.. and the internet connection after going down
last Wednesday night. Telewest's service is badly compromised by its
lack of resources, properly applied. If you've a choice, look elsewhere.
I will be.
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In message <bup17q$kcntd$1@ID-222193.news.uni-berlin.de>, Nick
<xxx.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
 >Neil Arlidge wrote:
  >> Blueyonder is not at all bad for binaries groups............but is
  >>indeed
  >> cr@p for text news groups.
  >> -- Neil Arlidge - NB Earnest
<font color=green>  >>Follow the travels of the TNC at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk</font" target="_blank">http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk</font</a>>
 >
 >Nice website by the way. I enjoyed reading your cruising stories,
 >especially the one inc the Dee and Mersey.
 >
 >Just out of interest, is there anywhere (besides the estuary) that you
 >can launch on the Mersey? Up Warrington way or further down river
 >towards the estuary? It would make for an interesting change and it
 >must be navigable...??
 >
Fiddlers Ferry Boat Club - or into the Sankey at Spike Island, and then
via the lock onto the Mersey.
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In message <bup5dh$k7m8h$1@ID-27576.news.uni-berlin.de>, Neil Arlidge
<neil DeleteThis @tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes
 >
 >The Mersey above Warrington and the non tidal section above Howley Weir
 >(just to the east of Warrington) is MSCC jurisdiction.........and they DON'T
 >welcome boaters!

The Mersey at Warrington is not under their jurisdiction - they are
under a legal obligation to keep the channel clear below Howley, but it
confers no rights on them as far as traffic is concerned. I don't know
above the weir - it's still tidal, and tidal waters are free to
navigate.
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David Long wrote:
 > In message <bumtij$infhr$1@ID-222193.news.uni-berlin.de>, Nick
 > <xxx.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
 >
  >> martin wrote:
  >>
   >>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:04:25 +0000, Nick <xxx.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>> martin wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>> The make over doesn't appear to have improved it.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>> Maybe not, but give it chance, new users have to stumble across it
   >>>> yet. Plus some ISP's, Blueyonder included, are not carrying it for
   >>>> various reasons - some manually add them periodically, Blueyonder
   >>>> say they don't have the disk space to add new groups until the
   >>>> summer (a
   >>>
   >>> it's propagating across Europe. Forget Blueyonder and get your news
   >>> from elsewhere Berlin for instance.
  >>
  >>
  >> I did, news.individual.net and I've found it to be an excellent news
  >> serivce. Much better than BY's poor attempt - especially for a company
  >> the size of Telewest.
  >>
 > What size company says it hasn't the resources to fix your line, even if
 > it has been down for six weeks? My phone is back on today after being
 > down since early December.. and the internet connection after going down
 > last Wednesday night. Telewest's service is badly compromised by its
 > lack of resources, properly applied. If you've a choice, look elsewhere.
 > I will be.

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In message <burtmm$l52i7$1@ID-27576.news.uni-berlin.de>, Neil Arlidge
<neil.RemoveThis@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes
 >David Long wrote:
  >> In message <bup5dh$k7m8h$1@ID-27576.news.uni-berlin.de>, Neil Arlidge
  >> <neil.RemoveThis@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes
   >>>
   >>> The Mersey above Warrington and the non tidal section above Howley
   >>> Weir (just to the east of Warrington) is MSCC
   >>> jurisdiction.........and they DON'T welcome boaters!
  >>
  >> The Mersey at Warrington is not under their jurisdiction - they are
  >> under a legal obligation to keep the channel clear below Howley, but
  >> it confers no rights on them as far as traffic is concerned. I don't
  >> know
  >> above the weir - it's still tidal, and tidal waters are free to
  >> navigate.
 >
 >Try telling that to Cap'n ****wick (since retired) harbourmaster of the MSC.
 >
I don't recall seeing his gunboat stationed between you and Howley Weir.
He certainly didn't stop Chris Cowburn and Nigel Bowker sailing up to
the weir...

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In message <busa9l$lehmd$1@ID-27576.news.uni-berlin.de>, Neil Arlidge
<neil.DeleteThis@tuesdaynightclub.co.uk> writes
 >David Long wrote:
  >> He certainly didn't stop Chris Cowburn and Nigel Bowker sailing up to
  >> the weir...
 >
 >No.....but NB Progress did not make through Fiddlers Ferry Lock onto your
 >nice canal!
 >
He obviously foresaw your visit, and was kind enough to leave you
something to do.
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