Boat plans.

On Sun, 2 May 2004 16:08:14 +0100, "wemfish" <wemfish AT
tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

 >Hi All,
 >I am planning to build a small sail boat to take on holiday and other family
 >trips when we also take our caravan so it has to be light enough to "car
 >top" a cross section as below..

 >a flat bottom ( for the roof bars) and about 10' to 12' max length would be
 >perfect. Does anyone have a link to a free plan close to my needs or have
 >one they can e-mail me so I can then adapt it to my needs.
 >watch out for the spam trap if e-mailing me direct!!

Good on you. Get over the "free plans" thing, though. Boat designers
need to eat, too.

Google on "dynamite payson" "glen-l" "wooden boat store" "jacques
mertens" or "phil bolger." The world is full of plans for boats in
that size range. Most of the good plans cost a few bucks, and worth
every penny.

- Rick "Not a professional boat designer" Tyler

--
"Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the
depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

Summer Breeze at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.simplicityboats.com" target="_blank">www.simplicityboats.com</a> is 11.5 ft simply made out of two
sheets of 1/4" plywood and weighs about 100 lb. You'll need two adults to
lift if on an off the roof of a vehicle. The height of the transom was
limited by the amount of materials allowed in the design contest this boat
won. I'd make the transom lower as it rides too high out of the water,
shortens the waterline length, and reduces speed a bit, but that's not a
major failing.

"wemfish" (wemfish AT tiscali.co.uk) writes:
 > Hi All,
 > I am planning to build a small sail boat to take on holiday and other family
 > trips when we also take our caravan so it has to be light enough to "car
 > top" a cross section as below..
 >
 > l l
 > l l
 > \ /
 > \ ______________________ /
 >
 > a flat bottom ( for the roof bars) and about 10' to 12' max length would be
 > perfect. Does anyone have a link to a free plan close to my needs or have
 > one they can e-mail me so I can then adapt it to my needs.
 > watch out for the spam trap if e-mailing me direct!!
 >
 >
 >


--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network
homepage: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm" target="_blank">www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm</a>
warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

Another reason to mount the boat upside down is you can make it streamline
with your car. You could build a boat that matches your caravan's finish
and follows your roofline like a van conversion.

Use the van to shape the gunnels, either as a model to carve out foam
shapes, or as a plug to mold the gunnels directly in fiberglass.


"wemfish" <wemfish AT tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

 > Hi All,
 > I am planning to build a small sail boat to take on holiday and other
family
 > trips when we also take our caravan so it has to be light enough to "car
 > top" a cross section as below..
 >
 > l l
 > l l
 > \ /
 > \ ______________________ /
 >
 > a flat bottom ( for the roof bars) and about 10' to 12' max length would
be
 > perfect. Does anyone have a link to a free plan close to my needs or have
 > one they can e-mail me so I can then adapt it to my needs.
 > watch out for the spam trap if e-mailing me direct!!
 >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

And then put some real neat aluminum running boards all the way from the
front tires to the back and some white wall tires.. Buy some wraparound
sunglasses and drive reeeeal slow with the turn signal on (forever) and
you're THERE, dude! Haha! (No offense, anyone...)

--
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass" target="_blank">http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass</a> -- My 22' Tolman Skiff project
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.advantagecomposites.com/catalog" target="_blank">http://www.advantagecomposites.com/catalog</a> -- Discounted System Three
Resins products


..
"Robert Haston" wrote in message

 > Another reason to mount the boat upside down is you can make it streamline
 > with your car. You could build a boat that matches your caravan's finish
 > and follows your roofline like a van conversion.
 >
 > Use the van to shape the gunnels, either as a model to carve out foam
 > shapes, or as a plug to mold the gunnels directly in fiberglass.
 >
 >
 > "wemfish" <wemfish AT tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

  > > Hi All,
  > > I am planning to build a small sail boat to take on holiday and other
 > family
  > > trips when we also take our caravan so it has to be light enough to "car
  > > top" a cross section as below..
  > >
  > > l l
  > > l l
  > > \ /
  > > \ ______________________ /
  > >
  > > a flat bottom ( for the roof bars) and about 10' to 12' max length
would
 > be
  > > perfect. Does anyone have a link to a free plan close to my needs or
have
  > > one they can e-mail me so I can then adapt it to my needs.
  > > watch out for the spam trap if e-mailing me direct!!
  > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

I seam to have one missing post (or more)? Can whoever posted after Rick
Taylor and before Robert Haston please repost.
Thank you.
Stuart.


"Robert Haston" wrote in message

 > Another reason to mount the boat upside down is you can make it streamline
 > with your car. You could build a boat that matches your caravan's finish
 > and follows your roofline like a van conversion.
 >
 > Use the van to shape the gunnels, either as a model to carve out foam
 > shapes, or as a plug to mold the gunnels directly in fiberglass.
 >
 >
 > "wemfish" <wemfish AT tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

  > > Hi All,
  > > I am planning to build a small sail boat to take on holiday and other
 > family
  > > trips when we also take our caravan so it has to be light enough to "car
  > > top" a cross section as below..
  > >
  > > l l
  > > l l
  > > \ /
  > > \ ______________________ /
  > >
  > > a flat bottom ( for the roof bars) and about 10' to 12' max length
would
 > be
  > > perfect. Does anyone have a link to a free plan close to my needs or
have
  > > one they can e-mail me so I can then adapt it to my needs.
  > > watch out for the spam trap if e-mailing me direct!!
  > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

"wemfish" ...
 > I seam to have one missing post (or more)? Can whoever posted after Rick
 > Taylor and before Robert Haston please repost.
 > Thank you.
 > Stuart.
 >
 >


  > > Another reason to mount the boat upside down is you can make it streamline
  > > with your car. You could build a boat that matches your caravan's finish
  > > and follows your roofline like a van conversion.
  > >
  > > Use the van to shape the gunnels, either as a model to carve out foam
  > > shapes, or as a plug to mold the gunnels directly in fiberglass.
  > >
  > >
  > > "wemfish" <wemfish AT tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

   > > > Hi All,
   > > > I am planning to build a small sail boat to take on holiday and other
 > family
   > > > trips when we also take our caravan so it has to be light enough to "car
   > > > top" a cross section as below..
   > > >
   > > > l l
   > > > l l
   > > > \ /
   > > > \ ______________________ /
   > > >
   > > > a flat bottom ( for the roof bars) and about 10' to 12' max length
 > would
 > be
   > > > perfect. Does anyone have a link to a free plan close to my needs or
 > have
   > > > one they can e-mail me so I can then adapt it to my needs.
   > > > watch out for the spam trap if e-mailing me direct!!
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
  > >

Some of the guys are having a good time with you. As a newbie you
probably are not aware of the kinds of issues you bring up when you
talk about free plans so I give you a pass. Find the Gardner books at
the local library and look up the Dual purpose skiff, 12 feet, nice
shear, would probably take a better size vehicle and maybe a rack
extention to rooftop it. Nice boat, flat bottom, Gunter rig sail for
easy storage, sweet "down east" lines especially the shear. When mine
is done it should weigh about 120 lbs as I am currently building a
light weight cartoppable version I have adapted from the origional
design which would be heavier. There is a place to start but don't ask
me for the rework I did as it is not on paper and probably won't be,
specially for free;)

Scotty from.......... ugh, still can't do it! Make the F***** rain
stop, please.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

"Robert Haston" (rehaston@earthlink.net) writes:
 > Another reason to mount the boat upside down is you can make it streamline
 > with your car. You could build a boat that matches your caravan's finish
 > and follows your roofline like a van conversion.

My car goes faster with the Delta boat on top. This flat bottom boat has
Phil Bolger ends, ie the deadrise angle under the bow is the same as the
bow half angle, which he claims makes for better performance through
water. For these small boats I don't use a roof rack, just some rolled up
carpet underlay, so there is almost no gap between the boat and car, which
proves CHEAPER is BETTER.



--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network
homepage: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm" target="_blank">www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm</a>
warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

Might be a good idea to put some non-stick plastic on the caravan's room
before you slather on that fiberglas and epoxy.

It's such a bummer trying to turn a caravan upside down to launch a boat
stuck to the roof. (g)

"Robert Haston" wrote in message

 > Another reason to mount the boat upside down is you can make it streamline
 > with your car. You could build a boat that matches your caravan's finish
 > and follows your roofline like a van conversion.
 >
 > Use the van to shape the gunnels, either as a model to carve out foam
 > shapes, or as a plug to mold the gunnels directly in fiberglass.
 >
 >
 > "wemfish" <wemfish AT tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

  > > Hi All,
  > > I am planning to build a small sail boat to take on holiday and other
 > family
  > > trips when we also take our caravan so it has to be light enough to "car
  > > top" a cross section as below..
  > >
  > > l l
  > > l l
  > > \ /
  > > \ ______________________ /
  > >
  > > a flat bottom ( for the roof bars) and about 10' to 12' max length
would
 > be
  > > perfect. Does anyone have a link to a free plan close to my needs or
have
  > > one they can e-mail me so I can then adapt it to my needs.
  > > watch out for the spam trap if e-mailing me direct!!
  > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

"auerbach" wrote in message ...
 > Might be a good idea to put some non-stick plastic on the caravan's room
 > before you slather on that fiberglas and epoxy.

Yeah but William won't need non stick tape, he uses polyester already!
Just teasing William...
Scotty

 >
 > It's such a bummer trying to turn a caravan upside down to launch a boat
 > stuck to the roof. (g)
 >


  > > Another reason to mount the boat upside down is you can make it streamline
  > > with your car. You could build a boat that matches your caravan's finish
  > > and follows your roofline like a van conversion.
  > >
  > > Use the van to shape the gunnels, either as a model to carve out foam
  > > shapes, or as a plug to mold the gunnels directly in fiberglass.
  > >
  > >
  > > "wemfish" <wemfish AT tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message

   > > > Hi All,
   > > > I am planning to build a small sail boat to take on holiday and other
 > family
   > > > trips when we also take our caravan so it has to be light enough to "car
   > > > top" a cross section as below..
   > > >
   > > > l l
   > > > l l
   > > > \ /
   > > > \ ______________________ /
   > > >
   > > > a flat bottom ( for the roof bars) and about 10' to 12' max length
 > would
 > be
   > > > perfect. Does anyone have a link to a free plan close to my needs or
 > have
   > > > one they can e-mail me so I can then adapt it to my needs.
   > > > watch out for the spam trap if e-mailing me direct!!
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
  > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

Thankyou to all those that have given me help either direct e-mail or
through this news group.
Sorry if the mention of free plans has offended (
I presumed as news groups are free, that we are all asking for and giving
free information, it would not be a problem?
I will probably end up using a CAD program from a binary NG (for free) and
use it to design my own boat. I was simply asking for a few lines as a
guide to start from. if my plan is then of use to anyone else I will pass it
to them for nothing. . .
Cheers,
Stuart.
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

wemfish says:

 >Sorry if the mention of free plans has offended (

Not so much offended, as the fact that you are the latest in a long line of
folks looking for free plans. An admirable search, to be sure, but some of us
make a living drawing said plans, and if we give them away, the kids whine with
hunger.

 >I presumed as news groups are free, that we are all asking for and giving
 >free information, it would not be a problem?

No more than walking into a pub (which is free) and expecting free whiskey for
the night. If you see what I mean.

 >I will probably end up using a CAD program from a binary NG (for free) and
 >use it to design my own boat.

If you have questions about design, please feel free (no pun intended) to post
them here. There are a number of qualified folks who are happy to help out.

 >I was simply asking for a few lines as a
 >guide to start from.

See the booklist in Scotty's post - it is a good one, and will definately get
you started in the right direction.

Steve
Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/private/scbweb/home.htm" target="_blank">http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/private/scbweb/home.htm</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

"wemfish" ...
 > Thankyou to all those that have given me help either direct e-mail or
 > through this news group.
 > Sorry if the mention of free plans has offended (
 > I presumed as news groups are free, that we are all asking for and giving
 > free information, it would not be a problem?
 > I will probably end up using a CAD program from a binary NG (for free) and
 > use it to design my own boat. I was simply asking for a few lines as a
 > guide to start from. if my plan is then of use to anyone else I will pass it
 > to them for nothing. . .
 > Cheers,
 > Stuart.

Really not offended at all and I was not trying to paint the whole
group or shape usenet, it is still free and you do not need to shy
about asking for free info, just know that some (even myself at times)
do take things wrong sometimes. Anyway, glad to have you here, hope
you find your boat. Like I said, look at the Gardner books, plenty of
great hulls to choose from, many with offsets, just prime for entering
into cad programs.
Scotty<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans. 

"wemfish" (wemfish AT tiscali.co.uk) writes:

 > I will probably end up using a CAD program from a binary NG (for free) and
 > use it to design my own boat. I was simply asking for a few lines as a
 > guide to start from. if my plan is then of use to anyone else I will pass it
 > to them for nothing. . .

for plywood construction teh Carslon program (www.carlsondesign.com) has
example files for quite a few small boats. if you interested in a simple
flat bottom skiff or dory type you can use the free Basic program in the
Boats section of my website to try different dimensions and get a table of
offsets to start with in graphics CAD programs. (dories don't sail very
well because of the extreme curvature along the chines.)


--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network
homepage: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm" target="_blank">www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm</a>
warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Boat plans.