What paint to use

Pat wrote:

 > Hi,
 > I have an older fiberglass sailboat that has had a bad paint job. I am
 > currently sanding and repairing the bad spots in preparation for painting.
 >
 > I would like some input as to what paint to use. I will be applying it
 > with rollers and brushes. I can't afford to have it done and I'm not a
 > spray guy. I have been looking at Awl grip but am told it's hard to apply
 > and work with.
 > What about polyester? Any help would be appreciated.
 >
 > It's probably been discussed many times but I'm new to the news group.
 >
 > Thanks, Pat

"Older fiberglass sailboat" being the words of note.
I painted an older Hobie cat with enamel from large local department store
that doesn't need any advertisment space here that starts with a "W".
Used a short nap roller and badger look alike cheap brush to tip it with.
Looked pretty good for more than a couple of years.
Of course it was`trailered and I tried to keep it covered most of the time.
Your results may vary, but I will probibly use the same method again this
year.
Maybe orange toward the front the rest in sunshine yellow works for me.

Looks great from the shore, and after all you won't be on the shore to care
what the critics have to say.
Enjoy the sailing.
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 >I have an older fiberglass sailboat that has had a bad paint job. I am
 >currently sanding and repairing the bad spots in preparation for painting.
 >
 >I would like some input as to what paint to use. I will be applying it with
 >rollers and brushes. I can't afford to have it done and I'm not a spray guy.
 >I have been looking at Awl grip but am told it's hard to apply and work
 >with.
 >What about polyester? Any help would be appreciated.

I have brushed Awlgrip. Though it is best to spray it, it can be brushed, or
rolled and tipped. It is expensive, but very tough, and lasts a very long
time. It is probably the ultimate paint system for boats, or at least
not-always-imersed parts of boats like dry sailed boats, or topsides. One
option may be to do all the prep work and then have someone who knows what they
are doing spray Awlgrip. I just used this approach with the wooden interior of
my International 505. I did all the epoxy and epoxy-glass work, then brushed
on a coat of Awlgrip, sanded it all very carefully with 220 wet-and-dry and
then had it sprayed with clear Awlgrip. It looks fabulous. Since I did all
the prepwork and most of the masking, I was only charged for the materials and
the time to spray it and clean the gun. This was very reasonable.

The Interthane Plus two part linear polyurethane is probably a little more
oriented to the amateur. I have also had good results using a clear Interthane
Plus rolled and tipped on epoxy over wood.

With both Awlgrip and Interthane Plus you are probably going to want two or
three coats if you roll and tip versus once if you have it sprayed.

The single part polyurethane like Interlux also work well but are not as tough
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On 15 Mar 2004 03:35:13 GMT, alimeller.RemoveThis@aol.com0delete0 (Alexander A.
Meller) wrote:

  >>I have an older fiberglass sailboat that has had a bad paint job. I am
  >>currently sanding and repairing the bad spots in preparation for painting.
  >>
  >>I would like some input as to what paint to use. I will be applying it with
  >>rollers and brushes. I can't afford to have it done and I'm not a spray guy.
  >>I have been looking at Awl grip but am told it's hard to apply and work
  >>with.
  >>What about polyester? Any help would be appreciated.
 >
 >I have brushed Awlgrip. Though it is best to spray it, it can be brushed, or
 >rolled and tipped. It is expensive, but very tough, and lasts a very long
 >time. It is probably the ultimate paint system for boats, or at least
 >not-always-imersed parts of boats like dry sailed boats, or topsides. One
 >option may be to do all the prep work and then have someone who knows what they
 >are doing spray Awlgrip. I just used this approach with the wooden interior of
 >my International 505. I did all the epoxy and epoxy-glass work, then brushed
 >on a coat of Awlgrip, sanded it all very carefully with 220 wet-and-dry and
 >then had it sprayed with clear Awlgrip. It looks fabulous.

I thought your boat lookd fabulous when it was displayed at Atlantic
City last year (or was it the year before last?). You did this since
then?

 >Since I did all
 >the prepwork and most of the masking, I was only charged for the materials and
 >the time to spray it and clean the gun. This was very reasonable.
 >
 >The Interthane Plus two part linear polyurethane is probably a little more
 >oriented to the amateur. I have also had good results using a clear Interthane
 >Plus rolled and tipped on epoxy over wood.
 >
 >With both Awlgrip and Interthane Plus you are probably going to want two or
 >three coats if you roll and tip versus once if you have it sprayed.
 >
 >The single part polyurethane like Interlux also work well but are not as tough
 >as the two part polyurethanes.

Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

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In almost every case, I've removed paint from my fiberglass boats, and
found some serviceable gel coat under the paint.

Typical was the Cal 25. I scraped the paint off the hull easily, the
guy who painted it painted over a nicely waxed hull. (well, he did
prepare about 10% of the surface, but a 600 grit sanding and some
buffing fixed that)

Personally, I've never seen a five year old paint job that didn't look
worse than the boat would have looked if it hadn't been painted.

My opinion, don't paint, remove paint.

Pat wrote:

 > Hi,
 > I have an older fiberglass sailboat that has had a bad paint job. I am
 > currently sanding and repairing the bad spots in preparation for painting.
 >
 > I would like some input as to what paint to use. I will be applying it with
 > rollers and brushes. I can't afford to have it done and I'm not a spray guy.
 > I have been looking at Awl grip but am told it's hard to apply and work
 > with.
 > What about polyester? Any help would be appreciated.
 >
 > It's probably been discussed many times but I'm new to the news group.
 >
 > Thanks, Pat
 >
 >
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Hi all,
Thanks for your input I have gotten quite a few emails and most people like
interlux Interthane for cost and ease of painting. I am going to go this
way.
Thanks again, Pat
"Pat" <questions DeleteThis @pat-paula.com> wrote in message
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 > Hi,
 > I have an older fiberglass sailboat that has had a bad paint job. I am
 > currently sanding and repairing the bad spots in preparation for painting.
 >
 > I would like some input as to what paint to use. I will be applying it
with
 > rollers and brushes. I can't afford to have it done and I'm not a spray
guy.
 > I have been looking at Awl grip but am told it's hard to apply and work
 > with.
 > What about polyester? Any help would be appreciated.
 >
 > It's probably been discussed many times but I'm new to the news group.
 >
 > Thanks, Pat
 >
 >
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Pat,
Let me say one last thing before you begin . . . I apologize for 'getting
involved' at the last minute.

Take a look at Sherri Board's book, "Boat Cosmetics Made Simple" {my copy is
from 1989}. When I first got our USED West Wight Potter 19, I did a lot of
research. She had been sitting out in the weather for at least a year, with
no 'protection'.

The bottom line is to properly maintain that 20-thousands of an inch gel
coat. Even if it has been 'ignored' for sometime, it *can* most likely be
'brought back'. I would suggest that you get a copy of her book, and a
couple more 'of the type' from your local library {try 'inter-library loan'
if not on the 'local' shelves}. Take an evening and a pot of coffee, and
read through them - especially the chapters on 'Compounding and Waxing Gel
Coat' and 'Washing' hints such putting some vinegar in your wash water. Take
notes.

What I'm getting at is NOBODY can do that 'Super, Looks-Just-Like-Gel-Coat'
paint job . . .the FIRST time. Plus, whatever you 'screw-up' -YOU will have
to live with it for a LONG time {or spend a ton to get someone else to
correct}. Even if no one else notices it - YOU will !! Spend a very few of
those dollars you have set aside for the paint job. In just the time it
would take you to 'tape-off' and properly prep the hull, you'll be able to
wash, compound, wash, and wax. Live with it this 'season', with maybe
another waxing mid-season. Clean & cover her well over the winter . . . a
GREEN 'Farm Tarp' is an excellent choice.

A quick 'spritz' and wipe down next Spring . . . and tell me what you think.

You can always paint - but now you've tried a less 'invasive' solution
first, had time for a bit more 'research', saved up a bit more money, and
had time to PRACTICE *YOUR* technique.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop

"Pat" <questions RemoveThis @pat-paula.com> wrote in message
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 > Hi all,
 > Thanks for your input I have gotten quite a few emails and most people
like
 > interlux Interthane for cost and ease of painting. I am going to go this
 > way.
 > Thanks again, Pat
 > "Pat" <questions RemoveThis @pat-paula.com> wrote in message
 > news:Nj45c.63904$JN2.21087@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
  > > Hi,
  > > I have an older fiberglass sailboat that has had a bad paint job. I am
  > > currently sanding and repairing the bad spots in preparation for
painting.
  > >
  > > I would like some input as to what paint to use. I will be applying it
 > with
  > > rollers and brushes. I can't afford to have it done and I'm not a spray
 > guy.
  > > I have been looking at Awl grip but am told it's hard to apply and work
  > > with.
  > > What about polyester? Any help would be appreciated.
  > >
  > > It's probably been discussed many times but I'm new to the news group.
  > >
  > > Thanks, Pat<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Hey RON - lose the quote marks and CAPS - this is not a stump speech.



On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:20:04 GMT, "Ron Magen" <quahaug.DeleteThis@att.net> wrote:

 >Pat,
 >Let me say one last thing before you begin . . . I apologize for 'getting
 >involved' at the last minute.
 >
 >Take a look at Sherri Board's book, "Boat Cosmetics Made Simple" {my copy is
 >from 1989}. When I first got our USED West Wight Potter 19, I did a lot of
 >research. She had been sitting out in the weather for at least a year, with
 >no 'protection'.
 >
 >The bottom line is to properly maintain that 20-thousands of an inch gel
 >coat. Even if it has been 'ignored' for sometime, it *can* most likely be
 >'brought back'. I would suggest that you get a copy of her book, and a
 >couple more 'of the type' from your local library {try 'inter-library loan'
 >if not on the 'local' shelves}. Take an evening and a pot of coffee, and
 >read through them - especially the chapters on 'Compounding and Waxing Gel
 >Coat' and 'Washing' hints such putting some vinegar in your wash water. Take
 >notes.
 >
 >What I'm getting at is NOBODY can do that 'Super, Looks-Just-Like-Gel-Coat'
 >paint job . . .the FIRST time. Plus, whatever you 'screw-up' -YOU will have
 >to live with it for a LONG time {or spend a ton to get someone else to
 >correct}. Even if no one else notices it - YOU will !! Spend a very few of
 >those dollars you have set aside for the paint job. In just the time it
 >would take you to 'tape-off' and properly prep the hull, you'll be able to
 >wash, compound, wash, and wax. Live with it this 'season', with maybe
 >another waxing mid-season. Clean & cover her well over the winter . . . a
 >GREEN 'Farm Tarp' is an excellent choice.
 >
 >A quick 'spritz' and wipe down next Spring . . . and tell me what you think.
 >
 >You can always paint - but now you've tried a less 'invasive' solution
 >first, had time for a bit more 'research', saved up a bit more money, and
 >had time to PRACTICE *YOUR* technique.
 >
 >Regards & Good Luck,
 >Ron Magen
 >Backyard Boatshop
 >
 >"Pat" <questions.DeleteThis@pat-paula.com> wrote in message
 >news:6ql5c.74770$JN2.58084@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
  >> Hi all,
  >> Thanks for your input I have gotten quite a few emails and most people
 >like
  >> interlux Interthane for cost and ease of painting. I am going to go this
  >> way.
  >> Thanks again, Pat
  >> "Pat" <questions.DeleteThis@pat-paula.com> wrote in message
  >> news:Nj45c.63904$JN2.21087@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
   >> > Hi,
   >> > I have an older fiberglass sailboat that has had a bad paint job. I am
   >> > currently sanding and repairing the bad spots in preparation for
 >painting.
   >> >
   >> > I would like some input as to what paint to use. I will be applying it
  >> with
   >> > rollers and brushes. I can't afford to have it done and I'm not a spray
  >> guy.
   >> > I have been looking at Awl grip but am told it's hard to apply and work
   >> > with.
   >> > What about polyester? Any help would be appreciated.
   >> >
   >> > It's probably been discussed many times but I'm new to the news group.
   >> >
   >> > Thanks, Pat
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And you are who?

Although all caps is considered shouting, I don't think the proper use of
English & punctuation has fallen completely out of favor.

My editor's don't seem to mind.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop

"John" <fake-email.RemoveThis@fake.gov> wrote in message
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 > Hey RON - lose the quote marks and CAPS - this is not a stump speech.
 >
 >
 >
 > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:20:04 GMT, "Ron Magen" <quahaug.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote:
 >
  > >Pat,
  > >Let me say one last thing before you begin . . . I apologize for 'getting
  > >involved' at the last minute.
  > >
  > >Take a look at Sherri Board's book, "Boat Cosmetics Made Simple" {my copy
is
  > >from 1989}. When I first got our USED West Wight Potter 19, I did a lot
of
  > >research. She had been sitting out in the weather for at least a year,
with
  > >no 'protection'.
  > >SNIP<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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