New licence numbers

"Peter Bennett" <peterbb DeleteThis @somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:40:18 -0500, "P. Drummond" <pat DeleteThis @ncf.ca.INVALID>
> wrote:
>
>>Licences are now issued by Service Canada and that the format of the
>>licence number has also changed. I saw one this summer in Ontario that
>>began with ON... Does anyone know where I might find a list of
>>locations and numbers - or is it just the province digraph with a few
>>digits attached? (http://www.pdqwebdesign.ca/lib/provinces.html)
>
> I suspect that the new licence numbers start with the two-character
> province abbreviation (but I don't think I've seen anything official).
> I've seen some new boats here in BC with licence numbers starting
> "BC".
>
> It is not necessary to change to the new format numbers when buying a
> used boat - I recently bought a boat, and retained the original
> (old-style) numbers when I transferred the licence.

I thought that one could already tell the place of licensing by the existing
(old) numbering system on boats? If this is so, can someone point me to the
list of codes vs. origins?
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Yes I just had a confirmation that the new boat license uses the
provincial digraph (postal service) followed by digits (apparently in
sequence). And yes it's for new boats, but you can get one for an old
one if you wish - it gets you into the data base. Entering old license
numbers into the new system is also optional (and free).

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Peter Bennett wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:40:18 -0500, "P. Drummond" <pat.DeleteThis@ncf.ca.INVALID>
> wrote:
>
>> Licences are now issued by Service Canada and that the format of the
>> licence number has also changed. I saw one this summer in Ontario that
>> began with ON... Does anyone know where I might find a list of
>> locations and numbers - or is it just the province digraph with a few
>> digits attached? (http://www.pdqwebdesign.ca/lib/provinces.html)
>
> I suspect that the new licence numbers start with the two-character
> province abbreviation (but I don't think I've seen anything official).
> I've seen some new boats here in BC with licence numbers starting
> "BC".
>
> It is not necessary to change to the new format numbers when buying a
> used boat - I recently bought a boat, and retained the original
> (old-style) numbers when I transferred the licence.
>
>

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"P. Drummond" <pat.TakeThisOut@ncf.ca.INVALID> wrote in message
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> Yes I just had a confirmation that the new boat license uses the
> provincial digraph (postal service) followed by digits (apparently in
> sequence). And yes it's for new boats, but you can get one for an old one
> if you wish - it gets you into the data base. Entering old license
> numbers into the new system is also optional (and free).
>
> Read the news page http://boating.ncf.ca/news.html#license.

I don't know who put the examples (Ontario: ON1234, Quebec: PQ1234) but I
bet that someone realizes that Québec has used QC for many years and NOT the
old Province de Québec moniker (PQ).

They are, after all, a nation within a nation, like the native Canadians are
within Québec.
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Yet another example of the creeping Americanization of Canada. The
format is the same as that used in the US.
In suspect this probably originated among the beancounters and
bureaucrats in attendance at last year's "Three Amigos" summit.
So how do we sort out ALberta and ALabama, Manitoba and Montana
I tried once to get the list of area designations in the old system.
Failed totally.
ds


Buck Frobisher wrote:
> "P. Drummond" <pat RemoveThis @ncf.ca.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:ekt020$1mt$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>> Yes I just had a confirmation that the new boat license uses the
>> provincial digraph (postal service) followed by digits (apparently in
>> sequence). And yes it's for new boats, but you can get one for an old one
>> if you wish - it gets you into the data base. Entering old license
>> numbers into the new system is also optional (and free).
>>
>> Read the news page http://boating.ncf.ca/news.html#license.
>
> I don't know who put the examples (Ontario: ON1234, Quebec: PQ1234) but I
> bet that someone realizes that Québec has used QC for many years and NOT the
> old Province de Québec moniker (PQ).
>
> They are, after all, a nation within a nation, like the native Canadians are
> within Québec.
>
>
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It looks like they figured that one out: Manitoba is MB and Alberta is AB,
isn't it?


"D.Smyth" <rps DeleteThis @surenet.net> wrote in message
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> Yet another example of the creeping Americanization of Canada. The format
> is the same as that used in the US.
> In suspect this probably originated among the beancounters and bureaucrats
> in attendance at last year's "Three Amigos" summit.
> So how do we sort out ALberta and ALabama, Manitoba and Montana
> I tried once to get the list of area designations in the old system.
> Failed totally.
> ds
>
>
> Buck Frobisher wrote:
>> "P. Drummond" <pat DeleteThis @ncf.ca.INVALID> wrote in message
>> news:ekt020$1mt$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>> Yes I just had a confirmation that the new boat license uses the
>>> provincial digraph (postal service) followed by digits (apparently in
>>> sequence). And yes it's for new boats, but you can get one for an old
>>> one if you wish - it gets you into the data base. Entering old license
>>> numbers into the new system is also optional (and free).
>>>
>>> Read the news page http://boating.ncf.ca/news.html#license.
>>
>> I don't know who put the examples (Ontario: ON1234, Quebec: PQ1234) but I
>> bet that someone realizes that Québec has used QC for many years and NOT
>> the old Province de Québec moniker (PQ).
>>
>> They are, after all, a nation within a nation, like the native Canadians
>> are within Québec.
 >> Stay informed about: New licence numbers 

"D.Smyth" <rps.DeleteThis@surenet.net> wrote in
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> Yet another example of the creeping Americanization of Canada. The
> format is the same as that used in the US.
> In suspect this probably originated among the beancounters and
> bureaucrats in attendance at last year's "Three Amigos" summit.
> So how do we sort out ALberta and ALabama, Manitoba and Montana

Hint: postal abbrev's.
ron
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On Sep 3, 7:36 pm, Ron <r... DeleteThis @nospamng.ca> wrote:
> "D.Smyth" <r... DeleteThis @surenet.net> wrote innews:vpqBi.23893$13.5710@nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca:
>
> > Yet another example of the creeping Americanization of Canada. The
> > format is the same as that used in the US.
> > In suspect this probably originated among the beancounters and
> > bureaucrats in attendance at last year's "Three Amigos" summit.
> > So how do we sort out ALberta and ALabama, Manitoba and Montana
>
> Hint: postal abbrev's.
> ron

Except the US boat license codes aren't *exactly* their postal
abbreviations, since they pre-date that scheme. Fer instance,
California is CF on boats, CA in the post; Washington IIRC WN vs WA.

And Massachusetts is MA in the mail but on boats is MS, which is
Mississippi's postal digraph. Miss uses MI on boats, but that's
Michigan's mail code. Michigan uses MC on boats.

And, brace yourself: Nebraska uses NB for their watercraft licenses. I
seem to recall we have a province with those postal initials...anyone
licensed a new boat in Bathurst or Shediac recently? Nebraska says
their licenses always end in two or three letters, and the Canadian
registrations I've seen are all digits after the province code, so
there isn't complete conflict.

As if I haven't already betrayed an obsession with trivia, I have also
tried to find a reference linking the former number-letter Canadian
codes to port of registration; I have seen (and lost) a printed list
but can't find anything online. All I know is, smaller is east, bigger
is west.

S.
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<sharkford RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 3, 7:36 pm, Ron <r... RemoveThis @nospamng.ca> wrote:
> Except the US boat license codes aren't *exactly* their postal
> abbreviations, since they pre-date that scheme. Fer instance,
> California is CF on boats, CA in the post; Washington IIRC WN vs WA.
>
> And Massachusetts is MA in the mail but on boats is MS, which is
> Mississippi's postal digraph. Miss uses MI on boats, but that's
> Michigan's mail code. Michigan uses MC on boats.
>
> And, brace yourself: Nebraska uses NB for their watercraft licenses. I
> seem to recall we have a province with those postal initials...anyone
> licensed a new boat in Bathurst or Shediac recently? Nebraska says
> their licenses always end in two or three letters, and the Canadian
> registrations I've seen are all digits after the province code, so
> there isn't complete conflict.

You see? _Another_ American plot!
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:51:27 -0700, sharkford.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:


>As if I haven't already betrayed an obsession with trivia, I have also
>tried to find a reference linking the former number-letter Canadian
>codes to port of registration; I have seen (and lost) a printed list
>but can't find anything online. All I know is, smaller is east, bigger
>is west.
>
>S.

I have a recollection of a list of boat registration codes in the back
of a book called "Boating in Canada"(I think) written by Garth
Griffiths (also "I think"), and used by Canadian Power Squadrons as a
text for the Boating Course in 1968 or so (Why can I remember these
archaic details, when I don't remember what I did the day before
yesterday?)


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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:22:55 -0700, Peter Bennett
<peterbb.RemoveThis@somewhere.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:51:27 -0700, sharkford.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>As if I haven't already betrayed an obsession with trivia, I have also
>>tried to find a reference linking the former number-letter Canadian
>>codes to port of registration; I have seen (and lost) a printed list
>>but can't find anything online. All I know is, smaller is east, bigger
>>is west.
>>
>>S.
>
>I have a recollection of a list of boat registration codes in the back
>of a book called "Boating in Canada"(I think) written by Garth
>Griffiths (also "I think"), and used by Canadian Power Squadrons as a
>text for the Boating Course in 1968 or so (Why can I remember these
>archaic details, when I don't remember what I did the day before
>yesterday?)

Oops - that should be "boat licensing codes"...


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Good memory Peter. I have the codes as scanned images on "Boating in
Canada". "Licence numbers" is linked from the home page index, the
Licence page and the site map. Originally scanned from Griffith and
rearranged as an image, and I notice I did not give credit --where
else would I have gotten the codes?! Will have to fix that.

Peter Bennett wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:51:27 -0700, sharkford RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>> As if I haven't already betrayed an obsession with trivia, I have also
>> tried to find a reference linking the former number-letter Canadian
>> codes to port of registration; I have seen (and lost) a printed list
>> but can't find anything online. All I know is, smaller is east, bigger
>> is west.
>>
>> S.
>
> I have a recollection of a list of boat registration codes in the back
> of a book called "Boating in Canada"(I think) written by Garth
> Griffiths (also "I think"), and used by Canadian Power Squadrons as a
> text for the Boating Course in 1968 or so (Why can I remember these
> archaic details, when I don't remember what I did the day before
> yesterday?)
>
>


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On Sep 11, 9:01 pm, "P. Drummond" <p....RemoveThis@ncf.ca.INVALID> wrote:
> Good memory Peter. I have the codes as scanned images on "Boating in
> Canada". "Licence numbers" is linked from the home page index, the
> Licence page and the site map. Originally scanned from Griffith and
> rearranged as an image, and I notice I did not give credit --where
> else would I have gotten the codes?! Will have to fix that.
>
[...]
> Pat Drummond (delete INVALID from address)
> http://BoatinginCanada.com

Excellent! Somehow I missed this when I've looked through your site in
the past. ... except now they're all Not Found for me (error below).
Offline for a reason?

S.

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Not Found

The requested URL /images/licence-maritimes.gif was not found on this
server.
Apache/2.2.3 (Unix) mod_jk/1.2.19 PHP/5.1.6 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.6.1
Server at boating.ncf.ca Port 80
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sharkford.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 11, 9:01 pm, "P. Drummond" <p....DeleteThis@ncf.ca.INVALID> wrote:
>> Good memory Peter. I have the codes as scanned images on "Boating in
>> Canada". "Licence numbers" is linked from the home page index, the
>> Licence page and the site map. Originally scanned from Griffith and
>> rearranged as an image, and I notice I did not give credit --where
>> else would I have gotten the codes?! Will have to fix that.
>>
> [...]
>> Pat Drummond (delete INVALID from address)
>> http://BoatinginCanada.com
>
> Excellent! Somehow I missed this when I've looked through your site in
> the past. ... except now they're all Not Found for me (error below).
> Offline for a reason?
>
> S.
>
> ---
> Not Found
>
> The requested URL /images/licence-maritimes.gif was not found on this
> server.
> Apache/2.2.3 (Unix) mod_jk/1.2.19 PHP/5.1.6 mod_perl/2.0.3 Perl/v5.6.1
> Server at boating.ncf.ca Port 80

Love those invisible files! Should be visible now.
http://boating.ncf.ca/license-port.html
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