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jim thompson

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:57 am
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the idea is that these motors use the same engine block ...do the researce
if that is true then you can do it but i suspect the cost will be more than
what is resonable
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> O.K.: Urban myth or not?
>
> I've heard over and over again that everything is the same on a 7.5
> h.p. Johnson as on the 15 horse, except the carb. I also heard it's
> not even the carb, it's just the jets.
>
> I have a 1980-ish 7.5 seahorse that just does not have the guts to pop
> my inflatable up on plane with two people and a full tank aboard. I
> added those wings, which do help, but still just need a little more.
>
> Anybody actually done this carb or jets upgade, or at least seen it
> work? Every dock rat seems to have heard of it, but nobody's done it.
>
> Failing that, any ideas on how to squeeze a bit more out of a
> two-stroke (short of going 100:1 on the mix)?
>
> Thanks!
>

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Gudmundur

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:00 pm
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4ever.TakeThisOut@usa.com says...
>
>O.K.: Urban myth or not?
>
>I've heard over and over again that everything is the same on a 7.5
>h.p. Johnson as on the 15 horse, except the carb. I also heard it's
>not even the carb, it's just the jets.
>
>I have a 1980-ish 7.5 seahorse that just does not have the guts to pop
>my inflatable up on plane with two people and a full tank aboard. I
>added those wings, which do help, but still just need a little more.
>
>Anybody actually done this carb or jets upgade, or at least seen it
>work? Every dock rat seems to have heard of it, but nobody's done it.
>
>Failing that, any ideas on how to squeeze a bit more out of a
>two-stroke (short of going 100:1 on the mix)?
>
>Thanks!
>

DO NOT screw with the jets!!! That is not the answer. You need more
AIR and FUEL!!! Not more fuel. The differance is that the bore (throat)
and throttle plate are bigger in the 15hp carb. Take note they are
not 'Twice' as big. Air flow goes up as the square of the diameter.
If the hole was twice as big it would flow four times as much air.
The differance between the 9.9 carbs and 15 carbs is remarkably small.
Remember also it takes 3 to 4 times as much power to go twice as fast.
Changing your oil mix and getting 7.7 horsepower out of a 7.5 isn't
worth the risk of a scored and ruined engine. I ski behind my 70 h.p.
and I always run 40:1 instead of 50:1 because I run my engine hard.
It's a 1981 and never been apart!! If you want to get 7.7 out of that
7.5 switch to synthetic lower unit gear grease!! It helps!

Bless and best wishes.

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DavidJoan

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:00 pm
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Try a flatter pitch prop. That will have as much or more effect than a fin
when trying to plane an inflatable.

David
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modervador

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:26 am
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4ever.DeleteThis@usa.com wrote:
> O.K.: Urban myth or not?
>
> I've heard over and over again that everything is the same on a 7.5
> h.p. Johnson as on the 15 horse, except the carb. I also heard it's
> not even the carb, it's just the jets.

Wrong on both counts.

If my memory is correct, the 7.5hp is about 10 cubic inches
displacement, the 9.9 and 15hp are about 15 ci. The 7.5 and 15 are
completely different engines except for maybe the ignition system
and/or some pieces of rubber or plastic.

The carb differences between these three engines are more than just the
jets, there's the size of the venturi too. To be blunt, anybody who
thinks that the only secret to getting 50-100% more power from an
engine is the carb jets does not know enough about engines to be
believed on almost anything thereunto appurtaining. You have been
misled by the uninformed.

> Anybody actually done this carb or jets upgade, or at least seen it
> work? Every dock rat seems to have heard of it, but nobody's done it.

The "jets upgrade" does not exist, which is why "nobody's done it."
The "carb upgrade" does work for engines for which the only difference
is indeed the carb. Otherwise you might need the "exhaust manifold
upgrade," the "reed plate upgrade," etc.

> Failing that, any ideas on how to squeeze a bit more out of a
> two-stroke (short of going 100:1 on the mix)?

Going 100:1 on the mix will not give you more power. People who soup-up
"fishing" motors to race them add more oil, not less. But simply
diddling the mix won't give you more power.

Your 7.5 morphed into the 8 hp motor with some tweaks, but that's not
the kind of power increase you're looking for. You need more cubic
inches, which means you need more metal around it, which means a
different outboard.

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Drew Dalgleish

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:55 pm
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a few years ago I was shown how to turn a 5hp merc into an 8hp motor
just by nbolting the exhaust manifold rotating it 180 degrees and
reinstalling it.
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modervador

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:56 am
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Drew Dalgleish wrote:
> a few years ago I was shown how to turn a 5hp merc into an 8hp motor
> just by nbolting the exhaust manifold rotating it 180 degrees and
> reinstalling it.


For 2 and 4 stroke going back 2 decades, the 5 hp Merc is 1 cylinder,
the 8 hp is 2 cylinders.
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