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ray lunder

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:05 am
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RW Salnick

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:26 am
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ray lunder brought forth on stone tablets:
> Ahoy, I'm building a top loader icebox in an existing space under the
> settee. I can get rigid pink building trade insulation fairly cheaply
> and it's local. It's rated R5 per inch. I would have to order/source
> take a ferry, drive etc to get blueboard or the stuff that costs $100+
> per sheet. Is it that big a deal?
> I was going to caulk the inside plywood corners, use a squirt of that
> spray foam from the hardware store to fill the imperfectly cut
> rectangles of rigid foam. I thought 2 layers of one inch would be the
> best compromise between R value and interior space.
> I haven't thought out how to finish the inside so it holds water from
> the melted ice or how to drain it. Anybody experiences for the DIYer
> on a budget? Ok, the spell checker is complete, I had four mistakes,..
> Thanks as always.

That sounds pretty similar to what I did, except I made mine 4" thick.
I used the blue board, because that was what was available. I believe
that both the pink and the blue are extruded polystyrene foam, and are
more or less proof against waterlogging.

For the interior surface, I used some plastic sheeting designed to be
used as a wall covering? in a bathroom... I got it at Home Depot - it
has a slight pebble texture on one surface, and kind of a rough-sanded
appearance on the other. It is maybe 3/32" thick. I cut pieces to fit
the inside, and caulked the corners with 5200. That was 8 years ago,
and it still looks great and is leak free.

BTW, the "experts" advise against a drain, but then what do you do about
the melting frost on the holding plate? I installed a drain (used a
plastic thru hull), and put a trap on it so the cold air can't drain
out. Then I used some of those 12" square snap-together perforated
gridding that West Marine sells to keep the food out of the thin film of
moisture that the raised edge of the thru hull drain traps on the bottom.

bob
s/v Eolian
Seattle

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mike.e.worrall

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:21 am
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Right. The Pink Stuff and The Blue Stuff are 'extruded' polystyrene
which is good, the white stuff is 'expanded' polystyrene whhich should
probably be avoided.

Glacier Bay has soom good info on box insulation, construction, etc
here:

http://www.glacierbay.com/Instresult.asp

MW
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ray lunder

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:34 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:56 pm
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:05:41 -0700, ray lunder <dffgdg RemoveThis @msc.com> wrote
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What are you going to coat this with? If fglass, then use epoxy or
make sure you seal the surface against any polyester resin contact.

>Ahoy, I'm building a top loader icebox in an existing space under the
>settee. I can get rigid pink building trade insulation fairly cheaply
>and it's local. It's rated R5 per inch. I would have to order/source
>take a ferry, drive etc to get blueboard or the stuff that costs $100+
>per sheet. Is it that big a deal?
>I was going to caulk the inside plywood corners, use a squirt of that
>spray foam from the hardware store to fill the imperfectly cut
>rectangles of rigid foam. I thought 2 layers of one inch would be the
>best compromise between R value and interior space.
>I haven't thought out how to finish the inside so it holds water from
>the melted ice or how to drain it. Anybody experiences for the DIYer
>on a budget? Ok, the spell checker is complete, I had four mistakes,..
>Thanks as always.

Human bevaviour: Bestiality with a brain
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Matt Colie

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:14 am
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ray lunder wrote:
> Ahoy, I'm building a top loader icebox in an existing space under the
> settee. I can get rigid pink building trade insulation fairly cheaply
> and it's local. It's rated R5 per inch. I would have to order/source
> take a ferry, drive etc to get blueboard or the stuff that costs $100+
> per sheet. Is it that big a deal?
> I was going to caulk the inside plywood corners, use a squirt of that
> spray foam from the hardware store to fill the imperfectly cut
> rectangles of rigid foam. I thought 2 layers of one inch would be the
> best compromise between R value and interior space.
> I haven't thought out how to finish the inside so it holds water from
> the melted ice or how to drain it. Anybody experiences for the DIYer
> on a budget? Ok, the spell checker is complete, I had four mistakes,..
> Thanks as always.

Ray,
This is a project that our family has completed numerous times since the
first learning experience project in 1962.

We learned some things.

Polyester resin will destroy all but the most expensive foams. This one
one of our first applications and experiences with epoxy resin and glass.

The entire inside should be glass/resin lined to prevent damage and
waterproof the insulation. Fine weave 1.5 or so is good for the inside
as it is smooth and easy to clean. A layer of 9oz is good enough to
keep beer cans from damaging the inside bottom surface of the foam (that
should be under the fine weave glass).

Build the bottom with vertical bulkheads of glass to keep the bottom
foam from getting compressed with years of use.

A reliable drain that will drain the bottom an not break up after a few
years use is almost impossible to create (we haven't managed yet). It
is easier to make it smooth and mop it out.

If you are going to do a removable built in (where the top attached to
the bottom of something that lifts up, be sure you can manage to lift it
in and out when it is loaded. If you do this, plan to shim the
removable box to get a tight closure. Remember to make two tops - one
to install. get a cargo strap to hold it closed in transport and plan
where you are going to store the transport lid.

If you keep ice in a container - tupperware or a nice sized waste basket
so the melt water is not loose - you are better off. Even better is to
collect half gallon plastic jugs to fill and freeze. The liners from
cheap wine boxes are great too, but you need to make a form to freeze
then to size. These also provide easily accessed cold water.

Matt Colie - from a long list of builders
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:45 am
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:21:26 -0700, mike.e.worrall RemoveThis @abc.com wrote:

>Right. The Pink Stuff and The Blue Stuff are 'extruded' polystyrene
>which is good, the white stuff is 'expanded' polystyrene whhich should
>probably be avoided.
>
>Glacier Bay has soom good info on box insulation, construction, etc
>here:
>
>http://www.glacierbay.com/Instresult.asp
>
>MW
>

Hmmm..Fomo looks tasty: twice as effective as the rest. But
hygroscopic, needs complete access to blow in.
Maybe a foam board base, and a Fomo sides/top construction - for the
cheap perfectionist?

Brian W
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:16 am
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"ray lunder" <dffgdg DeleteThis @msc.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't thought out how to finish the inside so it holds water from
> the melted ice or how to drain it. Anybody experiences for the DIYer
> on a budget?

I took measurements of my space and then started to measure picnic coolers.
I ended up with one that fit with an extra 1-1/2 " of pink insuation around
it. It would hold ice for several days ( I was adding warm produce to it
most of the time) and when I sold the boat the new owner thought it was from
the factory.

Tinker
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:18 pm
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I'm using sheets of modelling polystyrene to line the interior of my
underfloor/in bilge chest freezer - seems to be the same material that
lines my fridge/freezer at home. 4 inch lining of poly foam
insulation.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:52 am
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Makes you wonder how much $ in the form of electric bills were all #
$@&ing away bacause our FrigidAire and Kenmore (etc) refrigerators
have - what - maybe 1" of insulation.

As power continues to get more expensive, I wonder how long it'll be
before energy efficiency is legislated into home refrigerators, and
vacuum panel insulation becomes the norm...

MW
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:32 pm
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:15:26 +0800, OldNick <nsremovable.TakeThisOut@iinet.net.au>
wrote stuff
and I replied:

DISSW?


>What are you going to coat this with? If fglass, then use epoxy or
>make sure you seal the surface against any polyester resin contact.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:15 pm
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mike.e.worrall DeleteThis @abc.com wrote:
:Makes you wonder how much $ in the form of electric bills were all #
:$@&ing away bacause our FrigidAire and Kenmore (etc) refrigerators
:have - what - maybe 1" of insulation.

Lots. They also cleverly put the compressor on the bottom, where it
has to radiate heat into the chilled portion. Look at a fridge from
the 40s or 50s some time. they've got heavily insulated walls, and
most put the compressor on the top.

:As power continues to get more expensive, I wonder how long it'll be
:before energy efficiency is legislated into home refrigerators, and
:vacuum panel insulation becomes the norm...

It's already happened. A current refridgerator uses less than a third
the electricity that a model from the 1970s does.
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