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Meindert says:

 >I don't get it. You want to build a 9 meter boat, which will cost you
 >several thousands of euros or dollars, but you want free plans???

There are too many people out there who have not hoisted in the fact that you
get what you pay for.

Although I am biased....

Steve
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Stephen Baker wrote in message

 > Meindert says:
 >
  > >I don't get it. You want to build a 9 meter boat, which will cost you
  > >several thousands of euros or dollars, but you want free plans???
 >
 > There are too many people out there who have not hoisted in the fact that
you
 > get what you pay for.
 >
 > Although I am biased....
 >
 > Steve
 > Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer
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Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build
this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind of
man so "Good Bye".
Miljenko.
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Miljenko, do you have a paying job or do you work for free?
Let's say you are a plumber, will you install my new bathroom for free?
Why not?

Where did you get the idea that a boat designer has to work for you for
free?

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"Miljenko" wrote in message

 >


  > > Meindert says:
  > >
   > > >I don't get it. You want to build a 9 meter boat, which will cost you
   > > >several thousands of euros or dollars, but you want free plans???
  > >
  > > There are too many people out there who have not hoisted in the fact
that
 > you
  > > get what you pay for.
  > >
  > > Although I am biased....
  > >
  > > Steve
  > > Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer
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 >
 > Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build
 > this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind
of
 > man so "Good Bye".
 > Miljenko.
 >
 >
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have you tried searchidg the Internet for "cold moulding" or "cold
molding" (the latter is the Amercian spelling) since that is the type of
construction you've chosen? also "cold moulded"

"Miljenko" (mpandurNO@SPAMmup.hr) writes:
 > Hello,
 >
 > I would like to build a 9 meters motor boat with round form in WEST
 > technology in which I am experienced on small boat (6mtr). Diagonal strip
 > lines of plywood should be used with epoxy and finaly laminated with rowing.
 > Inboard motor is prepaired Mercedes 300D with 90PS. Form should be
 > displacement/semidisplacement with speed aproximately 10 knots cruising and
 > 12 knots max.. I found od <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.tadroberts.com" target="_blank">www.tadroberts.com</a> something for studing White
 > pine, Douglas fir and Yellow cedar, nice forms but still to far from good
 > plan to start bulding.
 > So, if you got free plans or good site please notice me.
 > Thanks.
 >
 >


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"Miljenko" wrote in message

 > Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build
 > this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind
of
 > man so "Good Bye".
 > Miljenko.

This is not a matter of not wanting to help someone. This is about decent
plans and the price you pay for it. If you want to build a 8 ft or 2 meter
dinghy, there are quite a few free plans out there on the net. And such a
desing would alse make a free plan viable. you can build a plywood dinghy
for a few tens of bucks worth of plywood. However, building a 9 meter boats
is quite different. First, I think you don't find any free plans for that,
and second, like I said before, the price of a decent set of plans is small
compared to the price you end up paying for the materials of the entire
boat. I mean, you can find a decent plan for a 9 meter motorboat for $150
(Woodenboat plan 53, a 32' power cruiser from Eldredge-McInnis). That might
be just 1% of the total cost of building the boat.

Meindert
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"Miljenko" lifted the trapdoor, peered around and
wrote:

 >Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to build
 >this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind of
 >man so "Good Bye".

BwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Thanks for the laugh. Goodbye to you, your positive and thoughtful
contributions will be sorely missed!
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Meindert Sprang wrote in message



  > > Thanks to God, out there is still enought people who will help me to
build
  > > this boat with tehnical help and their experience. You are not this kind
 > of
  > > man so "Good Bye".
  > > Miljenko.
 >
 > This is not a matter of not wanting to help someone. This is about decent
 > plans and the price you pay for it. If you want to build a 8 ft or 2 meter
 > dinghy, there are quite a few free plans out there on the net. And such a
 > desing would alse make a free plan viable. you can build a plywood dinghy
 > for a few tens of bucks worth of plywood. However, building a 9 meter
boats
 > is quite different. First, I think you don't find any free plans for that,
 > and second, like I said before, the price of a decent set of plans is
small
 > compared to the price you end up paying for the materials of the entire
 > boat. I mean, you can find a decent plan for a 9 meter motorboat for $150
 > (Woodenboat plan 53, a 32' power cruiser from Eldredge-McInnis). That
might
 > be just 1% of the total cost of building the boat.
 >
 > Meindert
 >
That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete
plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just hull
form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have
some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian
traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to improve
this forms.
Thanks anyway.
Miljenko.
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"Miljenko" (mpandurNO@SPAMmup.hr) writes:

 > That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete
 > plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just hull
 > form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have
 > some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian
 > traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to improve
 > this forms.

you can't just cold mould any hull shape. even when the hull shape is
designed for cold moulding its a very time consuming process shaving the
strips to conform to the shape fo the hull. you are not just putting one
layer on the hull so it has to be done all over again for each layer. I
think TF Jones says 1 hour per sq ft per layer to do the cold moulding
part of the boat construction.

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William R. Watt wrote in message

 > have you tried searchidg the Internet for "cold moulding" or "cold
 > molding" (the latter is the Amercian spelling) since that is the type of
 > construction you've chosen? also "cold moulded"
 >

  > > Hello,
  > >
  > > I would like to build a 9 meters motor boat with round form in WEST
  > > technology in which I am experienced on small boat (6mtr). Diagonal
strip
  > > lines of plywood should be used with epoxy and finaly laminated with
rowing.
  > > Inboard motor is prepaired Mercedes 300D with 90PS. Form should be
  > > displacement/semidisplacement with speed aproximately 10 knots cruising
and
  > > 12 knots max.. I found od <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.tadroberts.com" target="_blank">www.tadroberts.com</a> something for studing White
  > > pine, Douglas fir and Yellow cedar, nice forms but still to far from
good
  > > plan to start bulding.
  > > So, if you got free plans or good site please notice me.
  > > Thanks.
  > >

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Hello,
yes I did. I searched and find few nice, not plans, but very good advice.
Alredy have script from Van De Stadt about building this kind of boat. The
hull form is the bigest problem because many people who think they have good
plans are actualy selling "floating boxes". Result is huge waves around and
capuccino behind boat. Of course empty fuel tank much soon than you
expected.
Thanks.
Miljenko.
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 > The hull form is the bigest problem because many people who think they
have good
 > plans are actualy selling "floating boxes". Result is huge waves around
and
 > capuccino behind boat. Of course empty fuel tank much soon than you
 > expected.

Well, since you know so much about other peoples designs, you should draft
your own plans.
Send us pictures.

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"Miljenko" wrote in message

 >
 > That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete
 > plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just
hull
 > form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have
 > some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian
 > traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to improve
 > this forms.

In that case, take a look at the three catalogs offered by Woodenboat. They
contain a total of 120 study plans of all sorts of boats: motorboats,
runabouts, launches, sailboats and dinghies. Great reading and drooling

Meindert
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Meindert Sprang wrote in message



  > >
  > > That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete
  > > plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just
 > hull
  > > form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have
  > > some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian
  > > traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to
improve
  > > this forms.
 >
 > In that case, take a look at the three catalogs offered by Woodenboat.
They
 > contain a total of 120 study plans of all sorts of boats: motorboats,
 > runabouts, launches, sailboats and dinghies. Great reading and drooling

 >
 > Meindert
 >
 >
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Just did it this morning. Thanks again.
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William R. Watt wrote in message


 >
  > > That is true, price for plans is not too high but I do not need complete
  > > plans for external and internal works and dimensions of all parts, just
hull
  > > form, which is better than many free "boxes" sold as boat. I alredy have
  > > some good forms and get some by my self by measuring few Croatian
  > > traditional boat (very good boats) but I want see and study how to
improve
  > > this forms.
 >
 > you can't just cold mould any hull shape. even when the hull shape is
 > designed for cold moulding its a very time consuming process shaving the
 > strips to conform to the shape fo the hull. you are not just putting one
 > layer on the hull so it has to be done all over again for each layer. I
 > think TF Jones says 1 hour per sq ft per layer to do the cold moulding
 > part of the boat construction.
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Already did it. I measured one old form and put it in AutoCAD14. Than little
work about smoothering lines and rescaling to 6 mtr. All sections was
printed 1:1 cut and covered with 3 layer of 4mm plywood+epoxy (90 degrees
shift) and finally 1 ply of rowing. Of course, almost every strip line of
plywood needed corections to best fit. I ALREADY BUILT 6 MTR. BOAT !!!
Result is high quality, very nice little boat.
Now I am ready for something bigger.
See you on Monday.
Bye.
Miljenko.
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