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Since: Mar 25, 2008 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:32 pm
Post subject: electronic charts format Archived from groups: rec>boats>electronics (more info?)
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I am thinking of writing my own navigation software.
Not to save money, but just for the fun of it, and
because I would like it to be an "open system" so that
I can easily add features to it from time to time.
I have sorted out the hardware but I am having problems with
the electronic charts. The charts I would need right now
have to cover the Baltic sea.
When trying to find documentation about the "S-57" format
I only find very "strange" documentation which is not
very helpful. It is as if someone has made it obscure on
purpose?
It is very likely that I just haven't found the right
documentation for this, but the ones I have found like:
IHO TRANSFER STANDARD
for
DIGITAL HYDROGRAPHIC DATA
Edition 3.1 - November 2000
Special Publication No. 57
are not very intuitive, compared to nearly any Internet RFC, which
you just read and then start implementing it ...
Are there any commercially available charts that can be used on a PC.
And to make it clear, I have no intention of cracking any codes and
I am more than happy to pay for these charts and "lock" them to the
computer that I install them on.
And how do you read these charts?
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Since: Jan 24, 2008 Posts: 10
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:56 pm
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Josce wrote:
> I am thinking of writing my own navigation software.
> Not to save money, but just for the fun of it, and
> because I would like it to be an "open system" so that
> I can easily add features to it from time to time.
> I have sorted out the hardware but I am having problems with
> the electronic charts. The charts I would need right now
> have to cover the Baltic sea.
>
> When trying to find documentation about the "S-57" format
> I only find very "strange" documentation which is not
> very helpful. It is as if someone has made it obscure on
> purpose?
It all seems to fall under the IHO international consortium:
http://www.iho.shom.fr/
Maybe in their efforts to keep everyone happy they have rendered it
incomprehensible? At any rate, there are many links about ECS/ECDIS to
pursue in many languages from here:
http://www.iho.shom.fr/ECDIS/introduction.htm
> It is very likely that I just haven't found the right
> documentation for this, but the ones I have found like:
>
> IHO TRANSFER STANDARD
> for
> DIGITAL HYDROGRAPHIC DATA
> Edition 3.1 - November 2000
> Special Publication No. 57
>
> are not very intuitive, compared to nearly any Internet RFC, which
> you just read and then start implementing it ...
>
> Are there any commercially available charts that can be used on a PC.
> And to make it clear, I have no intention of cracking any codes and
> I am more than happy to pay for these charts and "lock" them to the
> computer that I install them on.
I can't help you with the Baltic region. If it is of any help, for
U.S.waters the S-57 format charts are available for download for free.
The agency that manages that is the NOAA and they call the charts
Electronic Navigation Charts or ENC. You can read more about them and
download them from these links:
http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/resource.htm
http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download.htm
> And how do you read these charts?
The first link above has some links to chart viewers for the ENC charts,
and there are a number of commercial navigation applications that will
also use them. If you want to see a good example of a navigation
application that will use them, try the trial version of Coastal Explorer:
http://rosepointnav.com/CoastalExplorer/NewCharts.htm
As far as I know, while there are several commercial products that will
use the S-57 charts, there not yet any navigation programs in the public
domain that use them.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:41 am
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Jack Erbes wrote:
> Josce wrote:
>> I am thinking of writing my own navigation software.
>> Not to save money, but just for the fun of it, and
>> because I would like it to be an "open system" so that
>> I can easily add features to it from time to time.
>> I have sorted out the hardware but I am having problems with
>> the electronic charts. The charts I would need right now
>> have to cover the Baltic sea.
>>
>> When trying to find documentation about the "S-57" format
>> I only find very "strange" documentation which is not
>> very helpful. It is as if someone has made it obscure on
>> purpose?
>
> It all seems to fall under the IHO international consortium:
>
> http://www.iho.shom.fr/
>
> Maybe in their efforts to keep everyone happy they have rendered it
> incomprehensible? At any rate, there are many links about ECS/ECDIS
> to pursue in many languages from here:
>
> http://www.iho.shom.fr/ECDIS/introduction.htm
>
>> It is very likely that I just haven't found the right
>> documentation for this, but the ones I have found like:
>>
>> IHO TRANSFER STANDARD
>> for
>> DIGITAL HYDROGRAPHIC DATA
>> Edition 3.1 - November 2000
>> Special Publication No. 57
>>
>> are not very intuitive, compared to nearly any Internet RFC, which
>> you just read and then start implementing it ...
>>
>> Are there any commercially available charts that can be used on a PC.
>> And to make it clear, I have no intention of cracking any codes and
>> I am more than happy to pay for these charts and "lock" them to the
>> computer that I install them on.
>
> I can't help you with the Baltic region. If it is of any help, for
> U.S.waters the S-57 format charts are available for download for free.
> The agency that manages that is the NOAA and they call the charts
> Electronic Navigation Charts or ENC. You can read more about them and
> download them from these links:
>
> http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/resource.htm
> http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/download.htm
>
>> And how do you read these charts?
>
> The first link above has some links to chart viewers for the ENC
> charts, and there are a number of commercial navigation applications
> that will also use them. If you want to see a good example of a
> navigation application that will use them, try the trial version of
> Coastal Explorer:
>
> http://rosepointnav.com/CoastalExplorer/NewCharts.htm
>
> As far as I know, while there are several commercial products that
> will use the S-57 charts, there not yet any navigation programs in
> the public domain that use them.
>
> Jack
I gather the OP wants to do it the hard way, hence his insistence on
ignoring all the excellent commercial software available at the present
time.
Whilst admitting that some of this software costs money, I don't think this
is the OP's reason for wanting to "go it alone".
Me? I enjoy sailing too much to spend hours re-inventing the wheel! Oh, and
I do have charts of the Baltic, I just don't sail there!
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Since: Mar 25, 2008 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:31 am
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> The BSB format (NOAA raster charts) is much easier and additionally a
> library exists for it already (libbsb.sourceforge.net)
Yes, this is probably what I'll have to start with. Ones I have everything
up and running I can switch to the "S-57" charts. (If I can find some
documentation that is usable
> No matter what you do you're going to need C/C++ experience and a lot of
> patience to deal with the marine industry roadblocks. It would be nice
> to have a viable linux navigation package. And, have a look at my
> project (pynavigate.googlecode.com), its a working cross-platform GPS
> display written in python.
I am a computer programmer by trade, so the C/C++ part is no problem.
My idea was to make it run on Linux and Windows, but haven't decided yet.
I will certainly have a look at your project, but haven't done much in python
so there is a small learning curve for me.
My end goal with this project would be a very complete "marine system"
Some of the things I would like to do with this system is:
- Basic navigation
- Control the autopilot drive unit directly
- Connect a "3d-piezogyro" (?) so that the autopilot can follow and correct
the waves - and ignore them when it should
- Have an internet browser so you can check weather/harbour info
- Connect a radar
- Feed all the info to a secondary display below deck so if someone wants
to know where we are right now or the speed or the wind conditions ...
- etc
Right now I am using a standard ITX motherboard (12W) and a daylight readable
touchscreen display (12W). If I get the system usable I will have to look for
some less power hungry hardware.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:33 am
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:36 am
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> Maybe in their efforts to keep everyone happy they have rendered it
> incomprehensible? At any rate, there are many links about ECS/ECDIS to
> pursue in many languages from here:
Thanks for the links. I will have to start going through them and
hopefully find the documentation that I need.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:05 pm
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> I gather the OP wants to do it the hard way, hence his insistence on
> ignoring all the excellent commercial software available at the present
> time.
I actually already have a chartplotter with the some Baltic charts
in vector format. But I can't access the charts from my PC.
The only nice thing I can say about this chartplotter is that
the screen is pretty good, the rest is rubbish.
> Whilst admitting that some of this software costs money, I don't think this
> is the OP's reason for wanting to "go it alone".
>
> Me? I enjoy sailing too much to spend hours re-inventing the wheel! Oh, and
> I do have charts of the Baltic, I just don't sail there!
Interesting idea, so:
- Microsoft makes Internet Explorer, so Firefox-people you are just re-inventing the wheel..
- Microsoft already makes Office, so why do the Open-office group bother ?
- etc
No seriously, I would like to do it because it amuses me.
Besides, can't sail here between November and April so maybe working on
this project during the winter gives me some feeling of how nice it is to
be out there sailing...
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:05 pm
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Josce wrote:
>> I gather the OP wants to do it the hard way, hence his insistence on
> > ignoring all the excellent commercial software available at the
> present > time.
>
> I actually already have a chartplotter with the some Baltic charts
> in vector format. But I can't access the charts from my PC.
> The only nice thing I can say about this chartplotter is that
> the screen is pretty good, the rest is rubbish.
>
> > Whilst admitting that some of this software costs money, I don't
> think this > is the OP's reason for wanting to "go it alone".
> >
> > Me? I enjoy sailing too much to spend hours re-inventing the
> wheel! Oh, and > I do have charts of the Baltic, I just don't sail
> there!
>
> Interesting idea, so:
>
> - Microsoft makes Internet Explorer, so Firefox-people you are just
> re-inventing the wheel..
> - Microsoft already makes Office, so why do the Open-office group
> bother ?
> - etc
>
> No seriously, I would like to do it because it amuses me.
> Besides, can't sail here between November and April so maybe working
> on
> this project during the winter gives me some feeling of how nice it
> is to
> be out there sailing...
>
> Josce
It will be interesting to see how you get on with this project.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:53 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:53 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:44 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:35 pm
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> I do not know much about the electronic charts format but I thought that you
> might want to download a few S-57 charts to play with. The US Office of
> Coast Survey has them on their website for free download.
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> See: http://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/MCD/enc/download.htm
Thanks,
This will be a good place to get charts to test against. Sadly
I haven't found any decent documentation on the S-57 format yet.
And if I don't find any soon I'll have to write to first version
with raster charts.
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