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Since: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 2764
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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:33 pm
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"hk" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> Eisboch wrote:
>> "hk" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>> news:4MqdndDSg_0Pjy_VnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>> "hk" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>>> "hk" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
>>>>>>> you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
>>>>>>> 1980s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
>>>>>>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
>>>>>>> be the mentality these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
>>>>>> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
>>>>>> He was a Socialist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eisboch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better
>>>>> to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
>>>>> Cheney.
>>>> So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free
>>>> market, capitalistic economy?
>>>>
>>>> Eisboch
>>> The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
>>> classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
>>> regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
>>> class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
>>> should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
>>> that are taxed should be eliminated.
>>>
>>> I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
>>> European socialism.
>>>
>>>
>>> None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
>>> an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand.
>>
>> I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
>> think you have answered the question, in a round about way.
>>
>> Eisboch
>
> Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance
> tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital
> gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and
> daughters of the very rich a little motivation.
I am sure you have, but just in case, I would invite you to reread Deb's
views of an ideal society.
It reads very much like a collection of your many posts here on the subject.
Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
agreement, are you?
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:33 pm
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Since: Jan 21, 2008 Posts: 974
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:40 am
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Eisboch wrote:
> "hk" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
> news:17CdnZyxLveEhS_VnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Eisboch wrote:
>>> "hk" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4MqdndDSg_0Pjy_VnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>> "hk" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>>>> "hk" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
>>>>>>>> you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
>>>>>>>> 1980s.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
>>>>>>>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
>>>>>>>> be the mentality these days.
>>>>>>> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
>>>>>>> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
>>>>>>> He was a Socialist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eisboch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better
>>>>>> to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
>>>>>> Cheney.
>>>>> So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free
>>>>> market, capitalistic economy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Eisboch
>>>> The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
>>>> classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
>>>> regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
>>>> class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
>>>> should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
>>>> that are taxed should be eliminated.
>>>>
>>>> I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
>>>> European socialism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
>>>> an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand.
>>>
>>> I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
>>> think you have answered the question, in a round about way.
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>> Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance
>> tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital
>> gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and
>> daughters of the very rich a little motivation.
>
>
> I am sure you have, but just in case, I would invite you to reread Deb's
> views of an ideal society.
> It reads very much like a collection of your many posts here on the subject.
>
> Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
> agreement, are you?
>
> Eisboch
>
>
An "acknowledged Socialist." I'm shocked! There's an undercurrent of
pejorative in the way you put that out there, almost as if he were a
(shudder) contemporary *Republican*. >> Stay informed about: So very... |
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Since: Aug 18, 2008 Posts: 160
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:41 am
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:55 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
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>"hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>news:17CdnZyxLveEhS_VnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Eisboch wrote:
>>> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4MqdndDSg_0Pjy_VnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>>>> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
>>>>>>>> you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
>>>>>>>> 1980s.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
>>>>>>>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
>>>>>>>> be the mentality these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
>>>>>>> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
>>>>>>> He was a Socialist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eisboch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better
>>>>>> to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
>>>>>> Cheney.
>>>>> So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free
>>>>> market, capitalistic economy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Eisboch
>>>> The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
>>>> classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
>>>> regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
>>>> class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
>>>> should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
>>>> that are taxed should be eliminated.
>>>>
>>>> I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
>>>> European socialism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
>>>> an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand.
>>>
>>> I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
>>> think you have answered the question, in a round about way.
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>>
>> Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance
>> tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital
>> gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and
>> daughters of the very rich a little motivation.
>
>
>I am sure you have, but just in case, I would invite you to reread Deb's
>views of an ideal society.
>It reads very much like a collection of your many posts here on the subject.
>
>Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
>agreement, are you?
>
>Eisboch
>
Interesting insight into the relationship Harry has with his kids.
I'd much rather my kids spend my money than the government. 'Raise the
capital gifts to legitimate charities' is a laugh in itself, unless one
consider the government a legitimate charity. >> Stay informed about: So very... |
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:41 am
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:14 pm
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John H. wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:55 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> "hk" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>> news:17CdnZyxLveEhS_VnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>> "hk" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4MqdndDSg_0Pjy_VnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>>> "hk" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>>>>> "hk" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
>>>>>>>>> you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
>>>>>>>>> 1980s.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
>>>>>>>>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
>>>>>>>>> be the mentality these days.
>>>>>>>> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
>>>>>>>> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
>>>>>>>> He was a Socialist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eisboch
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better
>>>>>>> to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
>>>>>>> Cheney.
>>>>>> So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free
>>>>>> market, capitalistic economy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eisboch
>>>>> The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
>>>>> classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
>>>>> regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
>>>>> class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
>>>>> should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
>>>>> that are taxed should be eliminated.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
>>>>> European socialism.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
>>>>> an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I understand.
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
>>>> think you have answered the question, in a round about way.
>>>>
>>>> Eisboch
>>> Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance
>>> tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital
>>> gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and
>>> daughters of the very rich a little motivation.
>>
>> I am sure you have, but just in case, I would invite you to reread Deb's
>> views of an ideal society.
>> It reads very much like a collection of your many posts here on the subject.
>>
>> Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
>> agreement, are you?
>>
>> Eisboch
>>
>
> Interesting insight into the relationship Harry has with his kids.
>
> I'd much rather my kids spend my money than the government. 'Raise the
> capital gifts to legitimate charities' is a laugh in itself, unless one
> consider the government a legitimate charity.
WAFA doesn't even care if they show up for his funeral? >> Stay informed about: So very... |
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