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On Aug 24, 8:23 am, richardcas... DeleteThis @earthlink.net (Richard Casady)
wrote:

>
> Bout time someone at this NG snipped something.
>
> Casady


I totally wiped it off and started over
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"hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
> want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
>
> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist
> for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the
> mentality these days.



I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost
exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch
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Eisboch wrote:
> "hk" <payer33859.TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote in message
> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
>> want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
>>
>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all exist
>> for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be the
>> mentality these days.
>
>
>
> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>
> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are almost
> exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
> He was a Socialist.
>
> Eisboch
>
>


Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to
be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.
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thunder.TakeThisOut@TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:19 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
>
>
>> I wrote that poorly. I was trying to make the point that our
>> forefathers envisioned life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not
>> a government social welfare system.
>>
>> Eisboch
>
> That works for me.


What we actually have is a government social welfare system for the rich.
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"hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> thunder.RemoveThis@TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:19 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I wrote that poorly. I was trying to make the point that our
>>> forefathers envisioned life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not
>>> a government social welfare system.
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>>
>> That works for me.
>
>
> What we actually have is a government social welfare system for the rich.

"Nothing" for less fortunate?
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On Aug 24, 9:43 pm, "Eisboch" <r... DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
> "hk" <payer33... DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>
> news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Eisboch wrote:
> >> "hk" <payer33... DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
> >>news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> >>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
> >>> want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
>
> >>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
> >>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
> >>> the mentality these days.
>
> >> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>
> >> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
> >> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
> >> He was a Socialist.
>
> >> Eisboch
>
> > Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
> > likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney..
>
> So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
> capitalistic economy?
>
> Eisboch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of
course means, by his rules...
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On Aug 24, 9:47 pm, justwaitafrekinmin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 24, 9:43 pm, "Eisboch" <r....TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "hk" <payer33....TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> > > Eisboch wrote:
> > >> "hk" <payer33....TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote in message
> > >>news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> > >>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
> > >>> want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
>
> > >>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
> > >>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
> > >>> the mentality these days.
>
> > >> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>
> > >> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
> > >> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
> > >> He was a Socialist.
>
> > >> Eisboch
>
> > > Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
> > > likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.
>
> > So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
> > capitalistic economy?
>
> > Eisboch- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of
> course means, by his rules...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You know, rules like:
You can't put your kid on a motorcycle, but he can rape her and sneak
her over state lines for an abortion to hide the evidence. Right down
to the age of 10, that is what they call, progressive...
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"hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
news:U6qdnQ_w1f4eDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
> thunder.RemoveThis@TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:19 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I wrote that poorly. I was trying to make the point that our
>>> forefathers envisioned life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not
>>> a government social welfare system.
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>>
>> That works for me.
>
>
> What we actually have is a government social welfare system for the rich.

And who pays taxes to support this welfare you envision?
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"hk" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> Eisboch wrote:
>> "hk" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
>>> want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
>>>
>>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
>>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
>>> the mentality these days.
>>
>>
>>
>> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>>
>> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
>> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
>> He was a Socialist.
>>
>> Eisboch
>>
>>
>
>
> Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
> likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch
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Eisboch wrote:
> "hk" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
> news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Eisboch wrote:
>>> "hk" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
>>>> want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
>>>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
>>>> the mentality these days.
>>>
>>>
>>> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>>>
>>> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
>>> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
>>> He was a Socialist.
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
>> likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.
>
> So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
> capitalistic economy?
>
> Eisboch
>
>

The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.
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justwaitafrekinminute RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 24, 9:47 pm, justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 9:43 pm, "Eisboch" <r... RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>


>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "hk" <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>> news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>> "hk" <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
>>>>>> want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
>>>>>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
>>>>>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
>>>>>> the mentality these days.
>>>>> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>>>>> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
>>>>> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
>>>>> He was a Socialist.
>>>>> Eisboch
>>>> Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
>>>> likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.
>>> So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
>>> capitalistic economy?
>>> Eisboch- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of
>> course means, by his rules...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> You know, rules like:
> You can't put your kid on a motorcycle, but he can rape her and sneak
> her over state lines for an abortion to hide the evidence. Right down
> to the age of 10, that is what they call, progressive...


Those are the choices you faced? Put your kid on a motorcycle or...
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"hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> Eisboch wrote:
>> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>> news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
>>>>> you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
>>>>> 1980s.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
>>>>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
>>>>> be the mentality these days.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>>>>
>>>> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
>>>> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
>>>> He was a Socialist.
>>>>
>>>> Eisboch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to
>>> be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
>>> Cheney.
>>
>> So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
>> capitalistic economy?
>>
>> Eisboch
>
> The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
> classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
> regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
> class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
> should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
> that are taxed should be eliminated.
>
> I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
> European socialism.
>
>
> None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs an
> attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.



I understand.

I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
think you have answered the question, in a round about way.

Eisboch
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Eisboch wrote:
> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
> news:4MqdndDSg_0Pjy_VnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Eisboch wrote:
>>> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>> news:U6qdnQzw1f7GDyzVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:18SdnRR6p_6_8izVnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
>>>>>> you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
>>>>>> 1980s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
>>>>>> exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
>>>>>> be the mentality these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
>>>>> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
>>>>> He was a Socialist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eisboch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to
>>>> be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
>>>> Cheney.
>>> So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
>>> capitalistic economy?
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>> The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
>> classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
>> regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
>> class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
>> should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
>> that are taxed should be eliminated.
>>
>> I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
>> European socialism.
>>
>>
>> None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs an
>> attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.
>
>
>
> I understand.
>
> I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
> think you have answered the question, in a round about way.
>
> Eisboch
>
>

Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the
"inheritance tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise
the capital gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the
sons and daughters of the very rich a little motivation.
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