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....Republican:
The Anatomy of a Deception: How The McCains Changed Their Baby Adoption
Story Just Before 2008 Campaign Began
Posted August 21, 2008 | 12:32 PM (EST)
As was pointed out yesterday by the Christian Science Monitor, the
McCain campaign was called out for lying about the purported urging of
Cindy McCain by Mother Teresa herself to adopt two children at her
orphanage back in 1991. Turns out, McCain never met or even spoke with
Mother Teresa on that trip.
Once confronted by the Monitor about the deception, the campaign quickly
erased such claims from the website, as it did with Cindy's family
recipes, which were proved to be lifted from the Food Network.
But after doing some research, this deception was no careless accident,
but rather another shameless and deliberate attempt by the campaign to
reinvent and embellish the McCain family history in time for his 2008
presidential bid.
Here's how the McCain adoption was described by them prior to the 2008
presidential race:
Newsweek (Nov. 15, 1999, Cindy McCain's Own Story):
On finding a child while running a relief mission to Bangladesh
in 1991:
I was working in Dhaka, and a friend of mine from Arizona had
said to me, Look, while you're there, do me a favor. Mother Teresa has
an orphanage in Dhaka. Would you mind seeing if they need any help? And
I said, Sure. We finally found the orphanage, and we saw 150 newborns on
one floor. And a lot of them were sick. And the nuns said, [This little
girl with a cleft palate]--can't you take her and get her medical help?
And I thought, well, sure I can, I can do that.
CNBC (Feb 12, 2000, Tim Russert Interview with the McCains):
Mrs. McCAIN: She's--our daughter Bridget is eight years old. I
found her in Mother Teresa's orphanage when she was 10 weeks old in
Bangladesh. She has a cleft palate; she had some other problems. And the
nuns persuaded me to bring her home, and I did. I--I could do that. I
was able to do that. And literally on board the flight home from Bangkok
to Los Angeles, not having spoken to my husband, I decided I couldn't
c--I had to--I couldn't let her go. I had--she chose me. So she's ours
now. I came home and presented my husband with a new daughter that he
didn't know he had.
Vanity Fair (November 2004, The Trashing of John McCain):
In 1991, when Cindy McCain was on a relief mission to
Bangladesh, she was asked by one of Mother Teresa's nuns to help a young
orphan with a cleft palate. Flying her to the U.S. for surgery, Cindy
realized she couldn't give her up. At the Phoenix airport, she broke it
to her husband, and they eventually adopted the child. But few people
knew that story. In the words of McCain's national campaign manager,
Rick Davis, a smear doesn't have "to be true to be effective."
Now see how the story changed at the beginning of 2008:
The Sunday Mail (Feb. 3, 2008, Dark past no barrier for Cindy):
``While working at Mother Teresa's orphanage in the early
1990s, I stumbled upon the most beautiful little girl I'd ever seen,''
she said. ``She had a terrible cleft palate. She had problems with her
feet. She had problems with her hands. She had all kinds of problems.
``As only Mother Teresa can, she prevailed upon me to take this
baby and another baby to the United States for medical care.''
The Sunday Telegraph (Feb. 3, 2008, Cindy McCain: pills, ills, beer
and the White House)
It was on a trip to Bangladesh in 1991 that she adopted
Bridget. On Friday she recounted to voters in Missouri and Illinois how
Mother Teresa persuaded her to return home with the child. "I just could
not let her go. The only thing was, I had not told my husband. When I
got back, he asked me 'Where will she go?' and I said: 'I thought she
could come to our house.'
Digital Journal (Jun 15, 2008, Can We Trust Cindy McCain to
Represent American Women?):
Mrs. McCain has been involved in charity work from clearing
landmines, to starting a charity to help children who need facial
reconstruction. She has been inspired by her daughter she adopted from
Bangladesh who needed extreme care after being born with a cleft palate.
The adoption was prompted by Mother Teresa herself who implored Cindy to
adopt the little girl. She did so without first consulting John McCain
because of her compassion for the girl and her respect for Mother Teresa.
But the most damning evidence of a deliberate attempt to concoct this
story comes from cached versions of the McCain campaign website.
Here's how Cindy's campaign bio reads on the website as late as November
9, 2004:
As an advocate for children's health care needs, Cindy H. McCain
founded the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) in 1988. The AVMT
provided emergency medical and surgical care to impoverished children
throughout the world. Cindy led 55 medical missions to third world and
war-torn countries during AVMT's seven years of existence. During one of
those missions, on a visit to Mother Teresa's Orphanage Cindy agreed to
bring two babies in need of medical attention back to the United States.
One of those babies is now a happy and healthy little girl named Bridget
McCain.
Now compare that to the change made on the website on February 3, 2008
-- the same day the stories above by The Sunday Mail and The Sunday
Telegraph were printed:
As an advocate for children's health care needs, Cindy founded and
ran the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) from 1988 to 1995. AVMT
provided emergency medical and surgical care to impoverished children
throughout the world. Cindy led 55 medical missions to third world and
war-torn countries during AVMT's seven years of existence. On one of
those missions, Mother Teresa convinced Cindy to take two babies in need
of medical attention to the United States. One of those babies is now
their adopted daughter, 15 year old Bridget McCain.
Notice the obvious change in the one sentence that depicts the
circumstances of the adoption.
The instances of the dishonest efforts to create a McCain family
portrait are growing. The campaign previously had to scrub its website
of Cindy's family recipes when it was discovered in April that they were
largely cut and paste from the Food Network.
At the time, they blamed an intern for the problem. I wonder who they
will now blame for Cindy McCain's own words?
Are these indicative of the McCain family values?
UPDATE: Seems that Rick Warren told Larry King on Monday night that the
Mother Teresa story was one of three times during Saturday's forum that
McCain teared-up. They're liars and actors.
Mark Nickolas is the Managing Editor of Political Base, and this story
was from his original post, "The Anatomy of a Deception: How The McCains
Changed Their Baby Adoption Story Just Before 2008 Bid"
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"hk" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> ...Republican:
>
> The Anatomy of a Deception: How The McCains Changed Their Baby Adoption
> Story Just Before 2008 Campaign Began
>
>
> Posted August 21, 2008 | 12:32 PM (EST)
>
> As was pointed out yesterday by the Christian Science Monitor, the McCain
> campaign was called out for lying about the purported urging of Cindy
> McCain by Mother Teresa herself to adopt two children at her orphanage
> back in 1991. Turns out, McCain never met or even spoke with Mother Teresa
> on that trip.
>
> Once confronted by the Monitor about the deception, the campaign quickly
> erased such claims from the website, as it did with Cindy's family
> recipes, which were proved to be lifted from the Food Network.
>
> But after doing some research, this deception was no careless accident,
> but rather another shameless and deliberate attempt by the campaign to
> reinvent and embellish the McCain family history in time for his 2008
> presidential bid.
>
> Here's how the McCain adoption was described by them prior to the 2008
> presidential race:
>
> Newsweek (Nov. 15, 1999, Cindy McCain's Own Story):
>
> On finding a child while running a relief mission to Bangladesh in
> 1991:
>
> I was working in Dhaka, and a friend of mine from Arizona had said
> to me, Look, while you're there, do me a favor. Mother Teresa has an
> orphanage in Dhaka. Would you mind seeing if they need any help? And I
> said, Sure. We finally found the orphanage, and we saw 150 newborns on one
> floor. And a lot of them were sick. And the nuns said, [This little girl
> with a cleft palate]--can't you take her and get her medical help? And I
> thought, well, sure I can, I can do that.
>
> CNBC (Feb 12, 2000, Tim Russert Interview with the McCains):
>
> Mrs. McCAIN: She's--our daughter Bridget is eight years old. I
> found her in Mother Teresa's orphanage when she was 10 weeks old in
> Bangladesh. She has a cleft palate; she had some other problems. And the
> nuns persuaded me to bring her home, and I did. I--I could do that. I was
> able to do that. And literally on board the flight home from Bangkok to
> Los Angeles, not having spoken to my husband, I decided I couldn't c--I
> had to--I couldn't let her go. I had--she chose me. So she's ours now. I
> came home and presented my husband with a new daughter that he didn't know
> he had.
>
> Vanity Fair (November 2004, The Trashing of John McCain):
>
> In 1991, when Cindy McCain was on a relief mission to Bangladesh,
> she was asked by one of Mother Teresa's nuns to help a young orphan with a
> cleft palate. Flying her to the U.S. for surgery, Cindy realized she
> couldn't give her up. At the Phoenix airport, she broke it to her husband,
> and they eventually adopted the child. But few people knew that story. In
> the words of McCain's national campaign manager, Rick Davis, a smear
> doesn't have "to be true to be effective."
>
> Now see how the story changed at the beginning of 2008:
>
> The Sunday Mail (Feb. 3, 2008, Dark past no barrier for Cindy):
>
> ``While working at Mother Teresa's orphanage in the early 1990s, I
> stumbled upon the most beautiful little girl I'd ever seen,'' she said.
> ``She had a terrible cleft palate. She had problems with her feet. She had
> problems with her hands. She had all kinds of problems.
>
> ``As only Mother Teresa can, she prevailed upon me to take this
> baby and another baby to the United States for medical care.''
>
> The Sunday Telegraph (Feb. 3, 2008, Cindy McCain: pills, ills, beer
> and the White House)
>
> It was on a trip to Bangladesh in 1991 that she adopted Bridget.
> On Friday she recounted to voters in Missouri and Illinois how Mother
> Teresa persuaded her to return home with the child. "I just could not let
> her go. The only thing was, I had not told my husband. When I got back, he
> asked me 'Where will she go?' and I said: 'I thought she could come to our
> house.'
>
> Digital Journal (Jun 15, 2008, Can We Trust Cindy McCain to Represent
> American Women?):
>
> Mrs. McCain has been involved in charity work from clearing
> landmines, to starting a charity to help children who need facial
> reconstruction. She has been inspired by her daughter she adopted from
> Bangladesh who needed extreme care after being born with a cleft palate.
> The adoption was prompted by Mother Teresa herself who implored Cindy to
> adopt the little girl. She did so without first consulting John McCain
> because of her compassion for the girl and her respect for Mother Teresa.
>
> But the most damning evidence of a deliberate attempt to concoct this
> story comes from cached versions of the McCain campaign website.
>
> Here's how Cindy's campaign bio reads on the website as late as November
> 9, 2004:
>
> As an advocate for children's health care needs, Cindy H. McCain
> founded the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) in 1988. The AVMT
> provided emergency medical and surgical care to impoverished children
> throughout the world. Cindy led 55 medical missions to third world and
> war-torn countries during AVMT's seven years of existence. During one of
> those missions, on a visit to Mother Teresa's Orphanage Cindy agreed to
> bring two babies in need of medical attention back to the United States.
> One of those babies is now a happy and healthy little girl named Bridget
> McCain.
>
> Now compare that to the change made on the website on February 3, 2008 --
> the same day the stories above by The Sunday Mail and The Sunday Telegraph
> were printed:
>
> As an advocate for children's health care needs, Cindy founded and ran
> the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) from 1988 to 1995. AVMT
> provided emergency medical and surgical care to impoverished children
> throughout the world. Cindy led 55 medical missions to third world and
> war-torn countries during AVMT's seven years of existence. On one of those
> missions, Mother Teresa convinced Cindy to take two babies in need of
> medical attention to the United States. One of those babies is now their
> adopted daughter, 15 year old Bridget McCain.
>
> Notice the obvious change in the one sentence that depicts the
> circumstances of the adoption.
>
> The instances of the dishonest efforts to create a McCain family portrait
> are growing. The campaign previously had to scrub its website of Cindy's
> family recipes when it was discovered in April that they were largely cut
> and paste from the Food Network.
>
> At the time, they blamed an intern for the problem. I wonder who they will
> now blame for Cindy McCain's own words?
>
> Are these indicative of the McCain family values?
>
> UPDATE: Seems that Rick Warren told Larry King on Monday night that the
> Mother Teresa story was one of three times during Saturday's forum that
> McCain teared-up. They're liars and actors.
>
> Mark Nickolas is the Managing Editor of Political Base, and this story was
> from his original post, "The Anatomy of a Deception: How The McCains
> Changed Their Baby Adoption Story Just Before 2008 Bid"
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/the-anatomy-of-a-deceptio_...20381.h
I don't think that the changing of how the humanitarian deeds were
accomplished takes away from the apparent good,
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> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
> news:isOdnSlUnP-A3CzVnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> ...Republican:
>>
>> The Anatomy of a Deception: How The McCains Changed Their Baby Adoption
>> Story Just Before 2008 Campaign Began
>>
>>
>> Posted August 21, 2008 | 12:32 PM (EST)
>>
>> As was pointed out yesterday by the Christian Science Monitor, the McCain
>> campaign was called out for lying about the purported urging of Cindy
>> McCain by Mother Teresa herself to adopt two children at her orphanage
>> back in 1991. Turns out, McCain never met or even spoke with Mother Teresa
>> on that trip.
>>
>> Once confronted by the Monitor about the deception, the campaign quickly
>> erased such claims from the website, as it did with Cindy's family
>> recipes, which were proved to be lifted from the Food Network.
>>
>> But after doing some research, this deception was no careless accident,
>> but rather another shameless and deliberate attempt by the campaign to
>> reinvent and embellish the McCain family history in time for his 2008
>> presidential bid.
>>
>> Here's how the McCain adoption was described by them prior to the 2008
>> presidential race:
>>
>> Newsweek (Nov. 15, 1999, Cindy McCain's Own Story):
>>
>> On finding a child while running a relief mission to Bangladesh in
>> 1991:
>>
>> I was working in Dhaka, and a friend of mine from Arizona had said
>> to me, Look, while you're there, do me a favor. Mother Teresa has an
>> orphanage in Dhaka. Would you mind seeing if they need any help? And I
>> said, Sure. We finally found the orphanage, and we saw 150 newborns on one
>> floor. And a lot of them were sick. And the nuns said, [This little girl
>> with a cleft palate]--can't you take her and get her medical help? And I
>> thought, well, sure I can, I can do that.
>>
>> CNBC (Feb 12, 2000, Tim Russert Interview with the McCains):
>>
>> Mrs. McCAIN: She's--our daughter Bridget is eight years old. I
>> found her in Mother Teresa's orphanage when she was 10 weeks old in
>> Bangladesh. She has a cleft palate; she had some other problems. And the
>> nuns persuaded me to bring her home, and I did. I--I could do that. I was
>> able to do that. And literally on board the flight home from Bangkok to
>> Los Angeles, not having spoken to my husband, I decided I couldn't c--I
>> had to--I couldn't let her go. I had--she chose me. So she's ours now. I
>> came home and presented my husband with a new daughter that he didn't know
>> he had.
>>
>> Vanity Fair (November 2004, The Trashing of John McCain):
>>
>> In 1991, when Cindy McCain was on a relief mission to Bangladesh,
>> she was asked by one of Mother Teresa's nuns to help a young orphan with a
>> cleft palate. Flying her to the U.S. for surgery, Cindy realized she
>> couldn't give her up. At the Phoenix airport, she broke it to her husband,
>> and they eventually adopted the child. But few people knew that story. In
>> the words of McCain's national campaign manager, Rick Davis, a smear
>> doesn't have "to be true to be effective."
>>
>> Now see how the story changed at the beginning of 2008:
>>
>> The Sunday Mail (Feb. 3, 2008, Dark past no barrier for Cindy):
>>
>> ``While working at Mother Teresa's orphanage in the early 1990s, I
>> stumbled upon the most beautiful little girl I'd ever seen,'' she said.
>> ``She had a terrible cleft palate. She had problems with her feet. She had
>> problems with her hands. She had all kinds of problems.
>>
>> ``As only Mother Teresa can, she prevailed upon me to take this
>> baby and another baby to the United States for medical care.''
>>
>> The Sunday Telegraph (Feb. 3, 2008, Cindy McCain: pills, ills, beer
>> and the White House)
>>
>> It was on a trip to Bangladesh in 1991 that she adopted Bridget.
>> On Friday she recounted to voters in Missouri and Illinois how Mother
>> Teresa persuaded her to return home with the child. "I just could not let
>> her go. The only thing was, I had not told my husband. When I got back, he
>> asked me 'Where will she go?' and I said: 'I thought she could come to our
>> house.'
>>
>> Digital Journal (Jun 15, 2008, Can We Trust Cindy McCain to Represent
>> American Women?):
>>
>> Mrs. McCain has been involved in charity work from clearing
>> landmines, to starting a charity to help children who need facial
>> reconstruction. She has been inspired by her daughter she adopted from
>> Bangladesh who needed extreme care after being born with a cleft palate.
>> The adoption was prompted by Mother Teresa herself who implored Cindy to
>> adopt the little girl. She did so without first consulting John McCain
>> because of her compassion for the girl and her respect for Mother Teresa.
>>
>> But the most damning evidence of a deliberate attempt to concoct this
>> story comes from cached versions of the McCain campaign website.
>>
>> Here's how Cindy's campaign bio reads on the website as late as November
>> 9, 2004:
>>
>> As an advocate for children's health care needs, Cindy H. McCain
>> founded the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) in 1988. The AVMT
>> provided emergency medical and surgical care to impoverished children
>> throughout the world. Cindy led 55 medical missions to third world and
>> war-torn countries during AVMT's seven years of existence. During one of
>> those missions, on a visit to Mother Teresa's Orphanage Cindy agreed to
>> bring two babies in need of medical attention back to the United States.
>> One of those babies is now a happy and healthy little girl named Bridget
>> McCain.
>>
>> Now compare that to the change made on the website on February 3, 2008 --
>> the same day the stories above by The Sunday Mail and The Sunday Telegraph
>> were printed:
>>
>> As an advocate for children's health care needs, Cindy founded and ran
>> the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) from 1988 to 1995. AVMT
>> provided emergency medical and surgical care to impoverished children
>> throughout the world. Cindy led 55 medical missions to third world and
>> war-torn countries during AVMT's seven years of existence. On one of those
>> missions, Mother Teresa convinced Cindy to take two babies in need of
>> medical attention to the United States. One of those babies is now their
>> adopted daughter, 15 year old Bridget McCain.
>>
>> Notice the obvious change in the one sentence that depicts the
>> circumstances of the adoption.
>>
>> The instances of the dishonest efforts to create a McCain family portrait
>> are growing. The campaign previously had to scrub its website of Cindy's
>> family recipes when it was discovered in April that they were largely cut
>> and paste from the Food Network.
>>
>> At the time, they blamed an intern for the problem. I wonder who they will
>> now blame for Cindy McCain's own words?
>>
>> Are these indicative of the McCain family values?
>>
>> UPDATE: Seems that Rick Warren told Larry King on Monday night that the
>> Mother Teresa story was one of three times during Saturday's forum that
>> McCain teared-up. They're liars and actors.
>>
>> Mark Nickolas is the Managing Editor of Political Base, and this story was
>> from his original post, "The Anatomy of a Deception: How The McCains
>> Changed Their Baby Adoption Story Just Before 2008 Bid"
>>
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/the-anatomy-of-a-deceptio_...20381.h
>
> I don't think that the changing of how the humanitarian deeds were
> accomplished takes away from the apparent good,
>
> Recipes? Come on now.
>
>
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> "hk" <payer33859.TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote in message
> news:isOdnSlUnP-A3CzVnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> ...Republican:
>>
>> The Anatomy of a Deception: How The McCains Changed Their Baby Adoption
>> Story Just Before 2008 Campaign Began
>>
>>
>> Posted August 21, 2008 | 12:32 PM (EST)
>>
>> As was pointed out yesterday by the Christian Science Monitor, the McCain
>> campaign was called out for lying about the purported urging of Cindy
>> McCain by Mother Teresa herself to adopt two children at her orphanage
>> back in 1991. Turns out, McCain never met or even spoke with Mother Teresa
>> on that trip.
>>
>> Once confronted by the Monitor about the deception, the campaign quickly
>> erased such claims from the website, as it did with Cindy's family
>> recipes, which were proved to be lifted from the Food Network.
>>
>> But after doing some research, this deception was no careless accident,
>> but rather another shameless and deliberate attempt by the campaign to
>> reinvent and embellish the McCain family history in time for his 2008
>> presidential bid.
>>
>> Here's how the McCain adoption was described by them prior to the 2008
>> presidential race:
>>
>> Newsweek (Nov. 15, 1999, Cindy McCain's Own Story):
>>
>> On finding a child while running a relief mission to Bangladesh in
>> 1991:
>>
>> I was working in Dhaka, and a friend of mine from Arizona had said
>> to me, Look, while you're there, do me a favor. Mother Teresa has an
>> orphanage in Dhaka. Would you mind seeing if they need any help? And I
>> said, Sure. We finally found the orphanage, and we saw 150 newborns on one
>> floor. And a lot of them were sick. And the nuns said, [This little girl
>> with a cleft palate]--can't you take her and get her medical help? And I
>> thought, well, sure I can, I can do that.
>>
>> CNBC (Feb 12, 2000, Tim Russert Interview with the McCains):
>>
>> Mrs. McCAIN: She's--our daughter Bridget is eight years old. I
>> found her in Mother Teresa's orphanage when she was 10 weeks old in
>> Bangladesh. She has a cleft palate; she had some other problems. And the
>> nuns persuaded me to bring her home, and I did. I--I could do that. I was
>> able to do that. And literally on board the flight home from Bangkok to
>> Los Angeles, not having spoken to my husband, I decided I couldn't c--I
>> had to--I couldn't let her go. I had--she chose me. So she's ours now. I
>> came home and presented my husband with a new daughter that he didn't know
>> he had.
>>
>> Vanity Fair (November 2004, The Trashing of John McCain):
>>
>> In 1991, when Cindy McCain was on a relief mission to Bangladesh,
>> she was asked by one of Mother Teresa's nuns to help a young orphan with a
>> cleft palate. Flying her to the U.S. for surgery, Cindy realized she
>> couldn't give her up. At the Phoenix airport, she broke it to her husband,
>> and they eventually adopted the child. But few people knew that story. In
>> the words of McCain's national campaign manager, Rick Davis, a smear
>> doesn't have "to be true to be effective."
>>
>> Now see how the story changed at the beginning of 2008:
>>
>> The Sunday Mail (Feb. 3, 2008, Dark past no barrier for Cindy):
>>
>> ``While working at Mother Teresa's orphanage in the early 1990s, I
>> stumbled upon the most beautiful little girl I'd ever seen,'' she said.
>> ``She had a terrible cleft palate. She had problems with her feet. She had
>> problems with her hands. She had all kinds of problems.
>>
>> ``As only Mother Teresa can, she prevailed upon me to take this
>> baby and another baby to the United States for medical care.''
>>
>> The Sunday Telegraph (Feb. 3, 2008, Cindy McCain: pills, ills, beer
>> and the White House)
>>
>> It was on a trip to Bangladesh in 1991 that she adopted Bridget.
>> On Friday she recounted to voters in Missouri and Illinois how Mother
>> Teresa persuaded her to return home with the child. "I just could not let
>> her go. The only thing was, I had not told my husband. When I got back, he
>> asked me 'Where will she go?' and I said: 'I thought she could come to our
>> house.'
>>
>> Digital Journal (Jun 15, 2008, Can We Trust Cindy McCain to Represent
>> American Women?):
>>
>> Mrs. McCain has been involved in charity work from clearing
>> landmines, to starting a charity to help children who need facial
>> reconstruction. She has been inspired by her daughter she adopted from
>> Bangladesh who needed extreme care after being born with a cleft palate.
>> The adoption was prompted by Mother Teresa herself who implored Cindy to
>> adopt the little girl. She did so without first consulting John McCain
>> because of her compassion for the girl and her respect for Mother Teresa.
>>
>> But the most damning evidence of a deliberate attempt to concoct this
>> story comes from cached versions of the McCain campaign website.
>>
>> Here's how Cindy's campaign bio reads on the website as late as November
>> 9, 2004:
>>
>> As an advocate for children's health care needs, Cindy H. McCain
>> founded the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) in 1988. The AVMT
>> provided emergency medical and surgical care to impoverished children
>> throughout the world. Cindy led 55 medical missions to third world and
>> war-torn countries during AVMT's seven years of existence. During one of
>> those missions, on a visit to Mother Teresa's Orphanage Cindy agreed to
>> bring two babies in need of medical attention back to the United States.
>> One of those babies is now a happy and healthy little girl named Bridget
>> McCain.
>>
>> Now compare that to the change made on the website on February 3, 2008 --
>> the same day the stories above by The Sunday Mail and The Sunday Telegraph
>> were printed:
>>
>> As an advocate for children's health care needs, Cindy founded and ran
>> the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) from 1988 to 1995. AVMT
>> provided emergency medical and surgical care to impoverished children
>> throughout the world. Cindy led 55 medical missions to third world and
>> war-torn countries during AVMT's seven years of existence. On one of those
>> missions, Mother Teresa convinced Cindy to take two babies in need of
>> medical attention to the United States. One of those babies is now their
>> adopted daughter, 15 year old Bridget McCain.
>>
>> Notice the obvious change in the one sentence that depicts the
>> circumstances of the adoption.
>>
>> The instances of the dishonest efforts to create a McCain family portrait
>> are growing. The campaign previously had to scrub its website of Cindy's
>> family recipes when it was discovered in April that they were largely cut
>> and paste from the Food Network.
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>> At the time, they blamed an intern for the problem. I wonder who they will
>> now blame for Cindy McCain's own words?
>>
>> Are these indicative of the McCain family values?
>>
>> UPDATE: Seems that Rick Warren told Larry King on Monday night that the
>> Mother Teresa story was one of three times during Saturday's forum that
>> McCain teared-up. They're liars and actors.
>>
>> Mark Nickolas is the Managing Editor of Political Base, and this story was
>> from his original post, "The Anatomy of a Deception: How The McCains
>> Changed Their Baby Adoption Story Just Before 2008 Bid"
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>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/the-anatomy-of-a-deceptio_...20381.h
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> I don't think that the changing of how the humanitarian deeds were
> accomplished takes away from the apparent good,
>
> Recipes? Come on now.
>
>
Over time details of events seem to become fuzzy in folks minds. For
instance; Wasn't Hillery over in Rag Head land on a humanitarian fact
finding mission recently? Seems that she recalled bullets flying all
around her. She had some wild memories of that trip. Lies? Lapse of
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:17 am
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:52:06 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
> http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h801.html
An antiwar speech gets a 10 year sentence. I don't think that's what our
forefathers intended.
> I believe we should really stop and think before we continue down this
> path to be sure it's what we want or need. If we choose to go this
> way, it will be forever the end of the nation that our forefathers
> envisioned.
>
> Eisboch
Nothing for nothing, but I don't see any references to capitalism in the
Constitution. Private property, yes, but free markets and capitalism
weren't invented yet. So, just how do you know what our forefathers
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"Tim" <tschnautz.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> So very...
>
> boring
You know, I don't think any of us mere mortals can understand the rigors of
running for a political national office, especially for the POTUS. Given
the countless number of speeches, rallies, questions, travel, etc., over
such a long period of time, I can forgive a few gaffes or story
inconsistencies from both sides. (although I *do* think I'd remember being
shot at upon arrival at an airport).
What concerns me more than anything else ... more than the individuals
running and screw ups they may make in the process .... is the slow but
sure progress being made to transform this country from a free, democratic
republic to democratic socialism.
The roots of this movement can be traced back to people like Eugene Debs
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h801.html
and continues today, growing strength in numbers. The modern day group,
"Democratic Socialists of America" hosts a number of similar organizations
with more sanitized names, like the "Progressive Caucus" with over 60
Congressional Democrats or other major political figures, including notables
such as Nancy Pelosi and Jesse Jackson.
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_philosophy/socialists.htm
I believe we should really stop and think before we continue down this path
to be sure it's what we want or need. If we choose to go this way, it will
be forever the end of the nation that our forefathers envisioned.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:20 am
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:47:10 -0400, Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall,
Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. wrote:
> While there were not completely free markets in reference to trade
> between countries. It was common to have tariffs on certain items, and
> to limit who could import and/or sell certain items, free market pricing
> on the majority of items and capitalism absolutely did exist well before
> the revolution.
It can be argued that "true" capitalism, still doesn't exist. There have
always been government limits in defining the rules of the market. The
only real arguments we have in this country are in defining those
limits. I mean it is the basic left-right, individual-tribal, paradigm.
I was just questioning Eisboch's forefather's vision. After all, the
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:22 am
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<thunder.RemoveThis@TAKEOUTgti.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:52:06 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
>
>
>> http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h801.html
>
> An antiwar speech gets a 10 year sentence. I don't think that's what our
> forefathers intended.
>
>
>> I believe we should really stop and think before we continue down this
>> path to be sure it's what we want or need. If we choose to go this
>> way, it will be forever the end of the nation that our forefathers
>> envisioned.
>>
>> Eisboch
>
> Nothing for nothing, but I don't see any references to capitalism in the
> Constitution. Private property, yes, but free markets and capitalism
> weren't invented yet. So, just how do you know what our forefathers
> envisioned.
Individual freedom.
Not socialism.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:35 am
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"Eisboch" <rce.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Tim" <tschnautz.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ea26eafd-d4ab-4505-8e22-93309899925a@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> So very...
>>
>> boring
>
>
> You know, I don't think any of us mere mortals can understand the rigors
> of running for a political national office, especially for the POTUS.
> Given the countless number of speeches, rallies, questions, travel, etc.,
> over such a long period of time, I can forgive a few gaffes or story
> inconsistencies from both sides. (although I *do* think I'd remember
> being shot at upon arrival at an airport).
>
> What concerns me more than anything else ... more than the individuals
> running and screw ups they may make in the process .... is the slow but
> sure progress being made to transform this country from a free, democratic
> republic to democratic socialism.
> The roots of this movement can be traced back to people like Eugene Debs
>
> http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h801.html
>
> and continues today, growing strength in numbers. The modern day group,
> "Democratic Socialists of America" hosts a number of similar organizations
> with more sanitized names, like the "Progressive Caucus" with over 60
> Congressional Democrats or other major political figures, including
> notables such as Nancy Pelosi and Jesse Jackson.
>
> http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_philosophy/socialists.htm
>
>
> I believe we should really stop and think before we continue down this
> path to be sure it's what we want or need. If we choose to go this way,
> it will be forever the end of the nation that our forefathers envisioned.
>
> Eisboch
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Nancy Pelosi. Where have I heard that name before? Oh yes. She is the
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:47 am
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thunder RemoveThis @TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:52:06 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
>
>
>> http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h801.html
>
> An antiwar speech gets a 10 year sentence. I don't think that's what our
> forefathers intended.
>
>
>> I believe we should really stop and think before we continue down this
>> path to be sure it's what we want or need. If we choose to go this
>> way, it will be forever the end of the nation that our forefathers
>> envisioned.
>>
>> Eisboch
>
> Nothing for nothing, but I don't see any references to capitalism in the
> Constitution. Private property, yes, but free markets and capitalism
> weren't invented yet. So, just how do you know what our forefathers
> envisioned.
While there were not completely free markets in reference to trade
between countries. It was common to have tariffs on certain items, and
to limit who could import and/or sell certain items, free market pricing
on the majority of items and capitalism absolutely did exist well before
the revolution. >> Stay informed about: So very... |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:24 am
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Eisboch wrote:
> "Tim" <tschnautz DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ea26eafd-d4ab-4505-8e22-93309899925a@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> So very...
>>
>> boring
>
>
> You know, I don't think any of us mere mortals can understand the rigors of
> running for a political national office, especially for the POTUS. Given
> the countless number of speeches, rallies, questions, travel, etc., over
> such a long period of time, I can forgive a few gaffes or story
> inconsistencies from both sides. (although I *do* think I'd remember being
> shot at upon arrival at an airport).
>
> What concerns me more than anything else ... more than the individuals
> running and screw ups they may make in the process .... is the slow but
> sure progress being made to transform this country from a free, democratic
> republic to democratic socialism.
> The roots of this movement can be traced back to people like Eugene Debs
>
> http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h801.html
>
> and continues today, growing strength in numbers. The modern day group,
> "Democratic Socialists of America" hosts a number of similar organizations
> with more sanitized names, like the "Progressive Caucus" with over 60
> Congressional Democrats or other major political figures, including notables
> such as Nancy Pelosi and Jesse Jackson.
>
> http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_philosophy/socialists.htm
>
>
> I believe we should really stop and think before we continue down this path
> to be sure it's what we want or need. If we choose to go this way, it will
> be forever the end of the nation that our forefathers envisioned.
>
> Eisboch
>
Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
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hk wrote:
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> Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
> want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.
Who is Debs and why is she playing in the toilet?
I also want to know what Clinton was doing when he was president? If I
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:19 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
> I wrote that poorly. I was trying to make the point that our
> forefathers envisioned life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not
> a government social welfare system.
>
> Eisboch
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:34:12 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
> I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.
>
> Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
> almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference. He was a
> Socialist.
>
> Eisboch
Yeah, but, Debs started out as a Democrat. Perhaps, if he hadn't been
sent to jail for his role in the Pullman Strike, he would have remained
one. It was during that incarceration, that he read the works of Karl
Marx.
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