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"MatSav" <m a t t h e w D O T s a v a g e A T d s l D O T p i p e x D OT c o
m> wrote in message news:kiqml1pae9q9tforv1g902ishdcanl62uq@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:43:42 +0100, JH <jacques RemoveThis @nospam.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Does anything ever happen in this group, or are you all down with Davy
>>Jones?
>
> Discussion has migrated to <url:http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk>


The above fake little dialogue is designed to divert gullible usenet users
to a commercial page.

If you click on above link you will be bombarded with seven (!) adverts on
one page:

Shoreham Sea Kayaks



Bournemouth Canoes



Gene17 kayaking



White Water Consultancy



Aswatersports



Desperate Measures



And of course . UKRGB (T-Shirt available now!)



- Call me old fashioned, I like to decide for myself when it is time to
exchange opinions, share experiences etc. FOR FREE



and when it is time to study the ads and part with my cash.
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"SatNav" <SatNav RemoveThis @dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:djg1a8$ekl$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "MatSav" <m a t t h e w D O T s a v a g e A T d s l D O T p i p e x D OT c
> o m> wrote in message news:kiqml1pae9q9tforv1g902ishdcanl62uq@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:43:42 +0100, JH <jacques RemoveThis @nospam.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Does anything ever happen in this group, or are you all down with Davy
>>>Jones?
>>
>> Discussion has migrated to <url:http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk>
>
>
> The above fake little dialogue is designed to divert gullible usenet users
> to a commercial page.
>

How silly - it's not a commercial page at all - it's first and foremost a
users' forum set up when UKRBP got rather unwieldy

Keith
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"SatNav" <SatNav.TakeThisOut@dsl.pipex.com> writes:

> "MatSav" <m a t t h e w D O T s a v a g e A T d s l D O T p i p e x D OT c o
> m> wrote in message news:kiqml1pae9q9tforv1g902ishdcanl62uq@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:43:42 +0100, JH <jacques.TakeThisOut@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Does anything ever happen in this group, or are you all down with Davy
>>>Jones?
>>
>> Discussion has migrated to <url:http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk>
>
>
> The above fake little dialogue is designed to divert gullible usenet users
> to a commercial page.

Bing! Wrong, UKRGB is a free site, with free discussion boards, and
free access to the river guides, which are contributed by the readership.

Ads and selling stuff like t-shirts are about the only ways to pay for
the, non-negligable, overheads of running a popular site like that, without
directly charging the end-users.

--
James jamesk[at]homeric[dot]co[dot]uk

"... sometimes I even sing." "I know, we got a petition." "For or against?"
"Based on the sound, they think we're torturing you in here."
G'Kar and Mr. Garibaldi B5
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"Kegs" <james.keasley.RemoveThis@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:87irvo43zk.fsf@athena.homeric.co.uk...
> "SatNav" <SatNav.RemoveThis@dsl.pipex.com> writes:
>
>> "MatSav" <m a t t h e w D O T s a v a g e A T d s l D O T p i p e x D OT
>> c o
>> m> wrote in message news:kiqml1pae9q9tforv1g902ishdcanl62uq@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:43:42 +0100, JH <jacques.RemoveThis@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Does anything ever happen in this group, or are you all down with Davy
>>>>Jones?
>>>
>>> Discussion has migrated to <url:http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> The above fake little dialogue is designed to divert gullible usenet
>> users
>> to a commercial page.
>
> Bing! Wrong, UKRGB is a free site, with free discussion boards, and
> free access to the river guides, which are contributed by the readership.
>
> Ads and selling stuff like t-shirts are about the only ways to pay for
> the, non-negligable, overheads of running a popular site like that,
> without
> directly charging the end-users.
>

My point precisely, UKRGB depends on advertising revenue to keep going. You
know what happens when your website depends financially on someone?

Even if they don't overtly call the shots, you make sure you don't upset
them. Freedom of speech goes out the window etc. etc.

This by contrast is a free AND independent NG. I regret if people post
here, announcing that 'discussion has migrated' to a commercially funded web
site.

The motivation is obvious - adverts fetch more the more hits your site gets.
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Keith Meredith <merry050 DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote:

> - it's first and foremost a
> users' forum set up when UKRBP got rather unwieldy
>
> Keith

Doesn't seem to be too unwiedly at the moment, and easier to use than
web based chat rooms too!
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In message <1h4wies.uwjyl212zqvd4N%nospam@nospam.com>
nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com (Keith) wrote:

> Keith Meredith <merry050 DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > - it's first and foremost a
> > users' forum set up when UKRBP got rather unwieldy
> >
> > Keith
>
> Doesn't seem to be too unwiedly at the moment, and easier to use than
> web based chat rooms too!
>
>

It got too unwieldy when two individuals used it to endlessly post
derogatory messages, mainly about the BCU, and swamped all else. The users'
forum is controlled, so that doesn't happen.

It didn't bother me too much as I just set up some appropriate filters, but
others apparently didn't/couldn't get that to work, and departed.

Since I too don't like online forums, and prefer newsgroups, it doesn't get
any input from me, and I rarely can be troubled to go and see whether there
is anything. I can sympathise though.

(The big difference - newsgroups come to you, you have to go to forums.)

Alan

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In message <1e137fbe4d.Alan.Adams RemoveThis @orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan
Adams <alan.adams RemoveThis @orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>It got too unwieldy when two individuals used it to endlessly post
>derogatory messages, mainly about the BCU, and swamped all else. The users'
>forum is controlled, so that doesn't happen.
>

In fairness - I agree completely - but the problems started somewhat
earlier with a certain gentleman from the US or Canada with his
particular brand of incessant advertising! I'm not even going to say
the "s***son" word...

>It didn't bother me too much as I just set up some appropriate filters, but
>others apparently didn't/couldn't get that to work, and departed.
>
>Since I too don't like online forums, and prefer newsgroups, it doesn't get
>any input from me, and I rarely can be troubled to go and see whether there
>is anything. I can sympathise though.
>
>(The big difference - newsgroups come to you, you have to go to forums.)
>

Again, I agree - though (and we've had this out many times before) I
reckon it's a bit like pubs - you go for a chat with your mates, and if
instead you always walk into an argument, then you rapidly start going
elsewhere for a beer. It's about tone and culture (not the much avowed
"free speech", please), and free choice. Anyway, and I think I've also
said this before, newsgroups WERE the vehicle of choice for early
Internet adopters, but most web users now have ever even heard of them -
so they appear to be dying a natural (if unfortunate) death in many
"generalist" (ie non-techy) subject areas. I've seen another newsgroup,
similar in history and age to this one, go much the same way even
without the arguments and grief. I think they simply accelerated the
process...
--
David Pearson
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>
> Given the popularity (growing it seems to me) of "paddling", it seems
> amazing that a newsgroup can be "killed" off by two individuals with a
> point to prove.
>
> Shame really, the moderators rule. (Again..)
>
> J.

You had to be there....

Keith
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> My point precisely, UKRGB depends on advertising revenue to keep going.
> You
> know what happens when your website depends financially on someone?
>
> Even if they don't overtly call the shots, you make sure you don't upset
> them. Freedom of speech goes out the window etc. etc.
>

Do you have any evidence to support this claim re UKRGB? Do you have any
knowledge of the origins of the Guide Book or its founder?

Keith
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JH <jacques DeleteThis @nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:19:45 +0100, "SatNav" <SatNav DeleteThis @dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Kegs" <james.keasley DeleteThis @gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:87irvo43zk.fsf@athena.homeric.co.uk...
> >> "SatNav" <SatNav DeleteThis @dsl.pipex.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> "MatSav" <m a t t h e w D O T s a v a g e A T d s l D O T p i p e x D OT
> >>> c o
> >>> m> wrote in message news:kiqml1pae9q9tforv1g902ishdcanl62uq@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:43:42 +0100, JH <jacques DeleteThis @nospam.demon.co.uk>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Does anything ever happen in this group, or are you all down with Davy
> >>>>>Jones?
> >>>>
> >>>> Discussion has migrated to <url:http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The above fake little dialogue is designed to divert gullible usenet
> >>> users
> >>> to a commercial page.
> >>
> >> Bing! Wrong, UKRGB is a free site, with free discussion boards, and
> >> free access to the river guides, which are contributed by the readership.
> >>
> >> Ads and selling stuff like t-shirts are about the only ways to pay for
> >> the, non-negligable, overheads of running a popular site like that,
> >> without
> >> directly charging the end-users.
> >>
> >
> >My point precisely, UKRGB depends on advertising revenue to keep going. You
> >know what happens when your website depends financially on someone?
> >
> >Even if they don't overtly call the shots, you make sure you don't upset
> >them. Freedom of speech goes out the window etc. etc.
> >
> >This by contrast is a free AND independent NG. I regret if people post
> >here, announcing that 'discussion has migrated' to a commercially funded web
> >site.
> >
> >The motivation is obvious - adverts fetch more the more hits your site gets.
> >
> >
>
> Given the popularity (growing it seems to me) of "paddling", it seems
> amazing that a newsgroup can be "killed" off by two individuals with a
> point to prove.
>
> Shame really, the moderators rule. (Again..)
>
> J.

No, you misunderstand. The group is unmoderated, which was the cause of the
problem. When it was hijacked, there was no way to stop it, other than
leaving. The forum is moderated, hence hasn't been hijacked.


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I think you will find the forums on UKRGB are only moderated in extreme
cases of personal abuse as the originator and most members generally
regard free speech and opinions important. It only became neccessary to
log in and identify oneself on the forums recently after a hijacking
attempt.
>From being a regular user of UKRGB I have never had the impression that
it is commercially led and over several years of use I have never felt
the need to click on a commercial link. If you can't use the forum
without clicking on adverts then you obviously have a problem. They are
unobtrusive to the main use of the pages.

SatNav wrote:
> "Kegs" <james.keasley.RemoveThis@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:87irvo43zk.fsf@athena.homeric.co.uk...
> > "SatNav" <SatNav.RemoveThis@dsl.pipex.com> writes:
> >
> >> "MatSav" <m a t t h e w D O T s a v a g e A T d s l D O T p i p e x D OT
> >> c o
> >> m> wrote in message news:kiqml1pae9q9tforv1g902ishdcanl62uq@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:43:42 +0100, JH <jacques.RemoveThis@nospam.demon.co.uk>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Does anything ever happen in this group, or are you all down with Davy
> >>>>Jones?
> >>>
> >>> Discussion has migrated to <url:http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk>
> >>
> >>
> >> The above fake little dialogue is designed to divert gullible usenet
> >> users
> >> to a commercial page.
> >
> > Bing! Wrong, UKRGB is a free site, with free discussion boards, and
> > free access to the river guides, which are contributed by the readership.
> >
> > Ads and selling stuff like t-shirts are about the only ways to pay for
> > the, non-negligable, overheads of running a popular site like that,
> > without
> > directly charging the end-users.
> >
>
> My point precisely, UKRGB depends on advertising revenue to keep going. You
> know what happens when your website depends financially on someone?
>
> Even if they don't overtly call the shots, you make sure you don't upset
> them. Freedom of speech goes out the window etc. etc.
>
> This by contrast is a free AND independent NG. I regret if people post
> here, announcing that 'discussion has migrated' to a commercially funded web
> site.
>
> The motivation is obvious - adverts fetch more the more hits your site gets.
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