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markvictor

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(Msg. 166) Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:41 pm
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The salmon guys like that setup also, lets them troll at just a couple
of knots or so....Yes the hydrogen does pose some explosive issues, for
sure... But then again the Coast Guard, of all orgs., was on board with
putting catalytic converters on boats...Yikes!

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(Msg. 167) Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:48 pm
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On 15 Dec 2005 21:44:36 -0800, "markvictor" <coppercollar1.RemoveThis@excite.com>
wrote:

>But in a single engine config. such as in many
>trawlers,etc.,there are some inherent problems with a wing engine
>configuration, most notable is the tendency to yaw excessively making
>navigating tedious at best

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Any good autopilot can deal with that without too much difficulty.
Most of the long range cruisers that really need get home power will
already be heavy displacement with a decent keel however. We met some
people this summer with a Skookum 53 LRC that had a small wing engine
on its own off center shaft with a feathering prop. That boat had a
range under power of over 5,000 miles and they were in transit to
South America when we met them. No one really needs get home power in
a coastal cruiser unless you are allergic to yellow boats or poorly
maintained.

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Skipper

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(Msg. 168) Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:00 am
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"Wayne.B" wrote:

> No one really needs get home power in a coastal cruiser unless you are
> allergic to yellow boats or poorly maintained.

That is just plain foolish and untrue. Any single stinkpot can benefit
from a 'get home' option. As technology advances this feature will
become ever more popular.

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Dan Krueger

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(Msg. 169) Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:33 am
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Harry Krause wrote:

> Smithers wrote:
>
>> Harry,
>> Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get
>> Home Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?
>>
> You're really trying, eh?
> Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?
>
> Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
> your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post
> with your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a
> lunch meeting you were trying to set up.

Hmmm. Kevin Noble/atl_man/basskisser, whatever...does this sound familiar?
>
> You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
> Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used
> a real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up
> getting punched in the nose.
>

Kevin?


> You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
> you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your
> real name at a meeting you wanted.

Kevin?

>
> You are a pusillanimous pussy.
>

Kevin!
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Smithers

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(Msg. 170) Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:33 am
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Dan,
I think Harry is upset because I offered to meet him for lunch, and sit
across the table from him. I wanted to see if Harry is as weak as I imagine
him to be.

Unfortunately, Harry is too weak and cowardly to even meet for lunch. I can
understand why.


"Dan Krueger" <dankrueger RemoveThis @mindspringxxx.com> wrote in message
news:NVJof.3622$n1.486@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Harry Krause wrote:
>
>> Smithers wrote:
>>
>>> Harry,
>>> Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get Home
>>> Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?
>>>
>> You're really trying, eh?
>> Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?
>>
>> Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
>> your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post with
>> your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a lunch
>> meeting you were trying to set up.
>
> Hmmm. Kevin Noble/atl_man/basskisser, whatever...does this sound
> familiar?
>>
>> You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
>> Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used a
>> real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up getting
>> punched in the nose.
>>
>
> Kevin?
>
>
>> You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
>> you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your
>> real name at a meeting you wanted.
>
> Kevin?
>
>>
>> You are a pusillanimous pussy.
>>
>
> Kevin!
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JohnH

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(Msg. 171) Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:33 am
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:33:33 GMT, Dan Krueger <dankrueger DeleteThis @mindspringxxx.com> wrote:

>Harry Krause wrote:
>
>> Smithers wrote:
>>
>>> Harry,
>>> Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get
>>> Home Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?
>>>
>> You're really trying, eh?
>> Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?
>>
>> Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
>> your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post
>> with your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a
>> lunch meeting you were trying to set up.
>
>Hmmm. Kevin Noble/atl_man/basskisser, whatever...does this sound familiar?
>>
>> You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
>> Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used
>> a real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up
>> getting punched in the nose.
>>
>
>Kevin?
>
>
>> You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
>> you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your
>> real name at a meeting you wanted.
>
>Kevin?
>
>>
>> You are a pusillanimous pussy.
>>
>
>Kevin!

I think he meant pussywillowish.
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Harry Krause

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(Msg. 172) Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:33 am
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Smithers

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(Msg. 173) Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:33 am
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Harry,

So you would like to meet for lunch. Good, I look forward to it.


"Harry Krause" <harry.krause.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Smithers wrote:
>> Dan,
>> I think Harry is upset because I offered to meet him for lunch, and sit
>> across the table from him. I wanted to see if Harry is as weak as I
>> imagine him to be.
>>
>> Unfortunately, Harry is too weak and cowardly to even meet for lunch. I
>> can understand why.
>>
>
>
> You're lying again, pussy.
>
>
> --
> No Child Left Behind: There are always jobs in the military.
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Hoodoo

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(Msg. 174) Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:15 am
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:03:26 -0500, Harry Krause
<harry.krause DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>Smithers wrote:
>> Harry,
>> Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get Home
>> Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?

>Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
>your attempt to insult someone,

pot<->kettle<->black

>You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
>Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used
>a real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up
>getting punched in the nose.

Is that method of operation any less "cowardly" than an inept attempt
to reduce productive fact-checking research pertaining to you being a
serial liar by hiding behind the inclusion of "X-No-Archive: Yes" in
every one of your usenet posts?

I didn't think so.
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JIMinFL

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(Msg. 175) Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:56 pm
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What kind of get home option do you have for your stinkpots/s, Skipper? I
would love to read about your personal experiences with them.
JIM
"Skipper" <fairwinds.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "Wayne.B" wrote:
>
>> No one really needs get home power in a coastal cruiser unless you are
>> allergic to yellow boats or poorly maintained.
>
> That is just plain foolish and untrue. Any single stinkpot can benefit
> from a 'get home' option. As technology advances this feature will
> become ever more popular.
>
> --
> Skipper
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Dan Krueger

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(Msg. 176) Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:21 pm
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Smithers wrote:

> Dan,
> I think Harry is upset because I offered to meet him for lunch, and sit
> across the table from him. I wanted to see if Harry is as weak as I imagine
> him to be.
>
> Unfortunately, Harry is too weak and cowardly to even meet for lunch. I can
> understand why.
>
>
> "Dan Krueger" <dankrueger.RemoveThis@mindspringxxx.com> wrote in message
> news:NVJof.3622$n1.486@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>Harry Krause wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Smithers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Harry,
>>>>Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get Home
>>>>Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?
>>>>
>>>
>>>You're really trying, eh?
>>>Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?
>>>
>>>Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
>>>your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post with
>>>your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a lunch
>>>meeting you were trying to set up.
>>
>>Hmmm. Kevin Noble/atl_man/basskisser, whatever...does this sound
>>familiar?
>>
>>>You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
>>>Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used a
>>>real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up getting
>>>punched in the nose.
>>>
>>
>>Kevin?
>>
>>
>>
>>>You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
>>>you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your
>>>real name at a meeting you wanted.
>>
>>Kevin?
>>
>>
>>>You are a pusillanimous pussy.
>>>
>>
>>Kevin!
>
>
>

My response wasn't directed at Harry. It was just uncanny how he seemed
to be describing Kevin. Not only does Kevin not see how cowardly his
behavior is, he repeatedly posts "I'm not Kevin, <insert profanity here>
and makes of lame excuses for "borrowing" someones name. I don't see
anythig wrong with "Basskisser, Poco Loco, Smithers", etc but the fact
that he "borrows" a name is just pathetic.

Dan
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(Msg. 177) Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:23 pm
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I agree for the most part,Wayne,And the Johnson incident was really
more to illustrate the hazards near shore....I live about 4 or 5
hundred yards from where they went aground, and I have been awakened by
helicopters trying to save people in the same location,and I've seen
surfers paddling back to the beach with lifeless bodies on their
boards,not to mention untold #s of boats on the beach....and many of
them got to that point from loss of primary power. Truth be told,the
power boats outnumber the sailboats in that predicament 3 or 4 to 1,
but a number of those incidents could possibly been avoided,yet vessel
assist would not have been able to deploy fast enough to be anything
more than a salvage assistant. I have a full draft salboat,but in this
area there is not an optional "anchor out" area to ride out weather by
default, and when its blowing straight down the mouth of the
harbor,sailing is not often a viable get home solution; therefore I
still like having that 15 horse OB on the transom...Granted on a larger
boat it would be ineffective, but on my little 27 footer it does just
fine...Luckily the prevailing winds here are favorable most of the time
and I can sail practically to my slip (and have once or twice) But
I know that it's those times that deviate from the norm that can cause
the biggest problems for someone less than prepared....I like having a
plan B... If you can afford it,Why not?....Also,as I said before,much
of the Channel Islands system is 20 or more miles from assistance...
regards,
markvictor
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(Msg. 178) Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:15 am
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On 18 Dec 2005 18:30:01 -0800, "markvictor" <coppercollar1 DeleteThis @excite.com>
wrote:

>That was a highly maintained
>heavy full keeled vessel, but alas, it was powerless after losing the
>main..
>Nothing like an accident waiting to happen....

==========================================

That was kind of a special situation where they lost power at a
particularly inopportune moment, right at the breakwater entrance as I
recall. It's not clear to me that "get home power" would have saved
them in the split seconds they had available.

By my definition, all sailboats have "get home power". It's called
the wind, and if that fails there's always the anchor or the dinghy.
I've motored 40 footers weighing 20,000 lbs into the dock with a
dinghy and 2 hp outboard strapped along side. It works in calm
conditions, otherwise you anchor and wait it out.

My comment was directed more at single engine power boats in the 25 to
40 foot range since twin engine boats have get home power by
definition. A single engine boat in the 25 to 40 foot range is too
big for an outboard kicker on a stern bracket to be really effective,
and therefore needs a much more expensive inboard solution with
secondary shafts, feathering props, etc. Considering that the expense
of such an installation is likely to be in the $20 to $30K range, a
$120/year SeaTow membership and good maintenance practices are likely
to be much more cost effective. The guys who *really* need get home
power are single engine power boats who are out 20 or more miles from
assistance and beyond SeaTow range.
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(Msg. 179) Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:41 am
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That reminds me of a funny story ...I had a customer call me after an
incident on his boat..he had been drift fishing most of the
day(w/stereo,lights radar,chart etc. all left on, and the battery
switch in the "all" position. As they got close to shore the attempts
to start the motor on dead batteries proved fruitless(go figure)...THe
VHF did no good on 9 volts so in a panic he called the coast guard and
was yelling at them to hurry because he was heading towards the
rocks...after the usual questions (immediate danger,name of vessel
,people on board, PFD's,etc) the person on the line said "sir, have you
deployed your anchor"...The customer answered with an indignant "of
course I did" (as he bent over and loosens the chain wheel) Yhe next
question from the coast guard was..."Sir, is that your anchor chain I
hear in the background?".......Oops!...busted....but I guess he learned
a valuable lesson...
regards,
mark victor
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(Msg. 180) Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:13 am
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Hey Jim,
from the picture It looks to be identical to 1 I picked up a year or
two ago (same switch,guage, cord and clamp stowage, peak rating etc.)
with the exception of color... I have had pretty good luck with it...If
the primary battery is really low it helps to connect it a couple of
minutes before attempting to start, but other than that it'as been a
handy thing to have...It makes a good 12 volt power supply as well...
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