Soon to be on a bicycle up/canoe back trip.

Peter <prathman.TakeThisOut@attbi.com> wrote:
 >Garrison Hilliard wrote:
  >> Ah, the weather's turned, and I've just about accumilated all
  >> of the devices I need for my long-planned upon trip along the "Little Miami Bike Trail". Yes, I just need to pick up my new bivy, purchase this year's fishing license, and I'll be ready
  >> to travel the bike trail TOWING MY CANOE! Yep, I plan to
  >> bicycle north to Yellow Springs, Ohio, then collapse my bike (it's a foldable), put it in my Pelican Explorer, and paddle my way back downstream to Cin. city, Ohio... it will happen soon!
 >
 >Sounds fun. Looks like almost 60 miles one-way as the crow flies - how far
 >is it as the bike pedals or as the boat paddles?
 >Here's a picture I took yesterday of the setup for towing my kayak:
 >http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG
 >This was just for a day trip on a reservoir - if I need to carry the bike I
 >tow my double kayak instead.
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Peter <prathman.RemoveThis@attbi.com> wrote:

 >Sounds fun. Looks like almost 60 miles one-way as the crow flies - how far
 >is it as the bike pedals or as the boat paddles?
 >Here's a picture I took yesterday of the setup for towing my kayak:
 >http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG
 >This was just for a day trip on a reservoir - if I need to carry the bike I
 >tow my double kayak instead.


Hey, that's (more or less) the same set-up I use... is that a "Sportsman's Guide" two-wheel trailer I see? I use the same one! As for the mileage... it's 82, following the Little Miami River (trail, State Park, and National Scenic River).<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Garrison.DeleteThis@efn.org wrote:

 > Peter <prathman.DeleteThis@attbi.com> wrote:
 >
 >
  >>Sounds fun. Looks like almost 60 miles one-way as the crow flies - how far
  >>is it as the bike pedals or as the boat paddles?
  >>Here's a picture I took yesterday of the setup for towing my kayak:
  >>http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG
  >>This was just for a day trip on a reservoir - if I need to carry the bike I
  >>tow my double kayak instead.
 >
 > Hey, that's (more or less) the same set-up I use... is that a "Sportsman's Guide" two-wheel trailer I see? I use the same one! As for the mileage... it's 82, following the Little Miami River (trail, State Park, and National Scenic River).
 >
Very similar carts have been marketed under a variety of names. I bought
mine from LLBean about 15 years ago and it was called a "Swedish Canoe
Cart." It came with tire tubes that used "Woods" valves which are almost a
cross between Presta and Shrader.

Enjoy your journey!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Hey, that's one heck of a setup. When camping I tow a BOB YAK trailer with a
hardtail mountain bike. The trailer is far too small to use for a canoe. Can
you give me some ideas on how to attach the end of the canoe to my hardtail?
Have a good one.

"Peter" <prathman DeleteThis @attbi.com> wrote in message
news:9uP0c.93704$Xp.419553@attbi_s54...
 > Garrison Hilliard wrote:
  > > Ah, the weather's turned, and I've just about accumilated all
  > > of the devices I need for my long-planned upon trip along the "Little
Miami Bike Trail". Yes, I just need to pick up my new bivy, purchase this
year's fishing license, and I'll be ready
  > > to travel the bike trail TOWING MY CANOE! Yep, I plan to
  > > bicycle north to Yellow Springs, Ohio, then collapse my bike (it's a
foldable), put it in my Pelican Explorer, and paddle my way back downstream
to Cin. city, Ohio... it will happen soon!
 >
 > Sounds fun. Looks like almost 60 miles one-way as the crow flies - how
far
 > is it as the bike pedals or as the boat paddles?
 > Here's a picture I took yesterday of the setup for towing my kayak:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG</font" target="_blank">http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG</font</a>>
 > This was just for a day trip on a reservoir - if I need to carry the bike
I
 > tow my double kayak instead.
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Icruzna40 wrote:

 > Hey, that's one heck of a setup. When camping I tow a BOB YAK trailer with a
 > hardtail mountain bike. The trailer is far too small to use for a canoe. Can
 > you give me some ideas on how to attach the end of the canoe to my hardtail?
 > Have a good one.

My attachment method is very simple. I take the bow line from my kayak,
loop it through the seat rails of the Brooks Pro on my Bike Friday and tie
it with a knot.
Note that this this works with the relatively large clearance between the
seat and rear tire found on the Bike Friday with 20" tires and may not be
suitable for bicycles with larger wheels and/or shorter riders.
 >
 > "Peter" <prathman.DeleteThis@attbi.com> wrote in message
 > news:9uP0c.93704$Xp.419553@attbi_s54...
  >>Here's a picture I took yesterday of the setup for towing my kayak:
  >>http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Soon to be on a bicycle up/canoe back trip. 

"Icruzna40" <jasforbes.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<hua1c.30815$hm4.6005@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
 > Hey, that's one heck of a setup. When camping I tow a BOB YAK trailer with a
 > hardtail mountain bike. The trailer is far too small to use for a canoe. Can
 > you give me some ideas on how to attach the end of the canoe to my hardtail?

The best suggestion I have is to purchase a rear rack and use that as
an attachment point for your canoe/trailer and store your gear in the
canoe. Now,
you might have some problems with your rear bike wheel - boat bow
clearance, but a simple way to overcame that is by fixing a pipe or
(as I did on my mountain bike) 26 inches of two-by-four securely to
the rear rack, sink a large eye screw or pivot in the end of the
two-by-four and use it as an attachment point for your towed item.












 > "Peter" <prathman.TakeThisOut@attbi.com> wrote in message
 > news:9uP0c.93704$Xp.419553@attbi_s54...
  > > Garrison Hilliard wrote:
   > > > Ah, the weather's turned, and I've just about accumilated all
   > > > of the devices I need for my long-planned upon trip along the "Little
 > Miami Bike Trail". Yes, I just need to pick up my new bivy, purchase this
 > year's fishing license, and I'll be ready
   > > > to travel the bike trail TOWING MY CANOE! Yep, I plan to
   > > > bicycle north to Yellow Springs, Ohio, then collapse my bike (it's a
 > foldable), put it in my Pelican Explorer, and paddle my way back downstream
 > to Cin. city, Ohio... it will happen soon!
  > >
  > > Sounds fun. Looks like almost 60 miles one-way as the crow flies - how
 > far
  > > is it as the bike pedals or as the boat paddles?
  > > Here's a picture I took yesterday of the setup for towing my kayak:
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG</font" target="_blank">http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG</font</a>>
  > > This was just for a day trip on a reservoir - if I need to carry the bike
 > I
  > > tow my double kayak instead.
  > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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There used to be a guy who regularly turned up at slaloms in the late
60s early 70s with his slalom kayak all 4m (that's 14ft to you
imperialists) of it on his BSA's sidecar. Police in those days were more
tolerant in those days! I think the worst he had was to be advised to
"tie a rag to the end"

To me slaloms were cold enough with out arriving on a motorbike!

In message <q5f1c.103615$Xp.452516@attbi_s54>, Peter
<prathman.TakeThisOut@attbi.com> writes
 >Icruzna40 wrote:
 >
  >> Hey, that's one heck of a setup. When camping I tow a BOB YAK trailer with a
  >> hardtail mountain bike. The trailer is far too small to use for a canoe. Can
  >> you give me some ideas on how to attach the end of the canoe to my hardtail?
  >> Have a good one.
 >
 >My attachment method is very simple. I take the bow line from my
 >kayak, loop it through the seat rails of the Brooks Pro on my Bike
 >Friday and tie it with a knot.
 >Note that this this works with the relatively large clearance between
 >the seat and rear tire found on the Bike Friday with 20" tires and may
 >not be suitable for bicycles with larger wheels and/or shorter riders.
  >> "Peter" <prathman.TakeThisOut@attbi.com> wrote in message
  >> news:9uP0c.93704$Xp.419553@attbi_s54...
   >>>Here's a picture I took yesterday of the setup for towing my kayak:
   >>>http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG
 >

--
Dave Manby
Details of the Coruh river and my book "Many Rivers To Run" at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dmanby.demon.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.dmanby.demon.co.uk</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:39:15 GMT, Peter <prathman RemoveThis @attbi.com> wrote:

 >Garrison@efn.org wrote:
 >
  >> Peter <prathman RemoveThis @attbi.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>Sounds fun. Looks like almost 60 miles one-way as the crow flies - how far
   >>>is it as the bike pedals or as the boat paddles?
   >>>Here's a picture I took yesterday of the setup for towing my kayak:
   >>>http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG
   >>>This was just for a day trip on a reservoir - if I need to carry the bike I
   >>>tow my double kayak instead.
  >>
  >> Hey, that's (more or less) the same set-up I use... is that a "Sportsman's Guide" two-wheel
  >>trailer I see? I use the same one! As for the mileage... it's 82, following the Little Miami
  >>River (trail, State Park, and National Scenic River).

For exact details, check out <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.miamivalleytrails.org/miami.htm" target="_blank">http://www.miamivalleytrails.org/miami.htm</a>

 >Very similar carts have been marketed under a variety of names. I bought
 >mine from LLBean about 15 years ago and it was called a "Swedish Canoe
 >Cart." It came with tire tubes that used "Woods" valves which are almost a
 >cross between Presta and Shrader.
 >
 >Enjoy your journey!

That I will!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Peter <prathman RemoveThis @attbi.com> wrote in message news:<9uP0c.93704$Xp.419553@attbi_s54>...
 > Garrison Hilliard wrote:
  > > Ah, the weather's turned, and I've just about accumilated all
  > > of the devices I need for my long-planned upon trip along the "Little Miami Bike Trail". Yes, I just need to pick up my new bivy, purchase this year's fishing license, and I'll be ready
  > > to travel the bike trail TOWING MY CANOE! Yep, I plan to
  > > bicycle north to Yellow Springs, Ohio, then collapse my bike (it's a foldable), put it in my Pelican Explorer, and paddle my way back downstream to Cin. city, Ohio... it will happen soon!
 >
 > Sounds fun. Looks like almost 60 miles one-way as the crow flies - how far
 > is it as the bike pedals or as the boat paddles?
 > Here's a picture I took yesterday of the setup for towing my kayak:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG</font" target="_blank">http://home.comcast.net/~prathman/P2290004.JPG</font</a>>
 > This was just for a day trip on a reservoir - if I need to carry the bike I
 > tow my double kayak instead.

Dear Peter and Garrison,

Here's how real men would handle the situation:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.earthlink.net/~ubertuber/main.htm" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~ubertuber/main.htm</a>

No canoes, no kayaks, no trailers--just a bicycle,
a few larger-than-normal spare tubes, and a pump!

Carl Fogel<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Icruzna40" <jasforbes.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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  >>Hey, that's one heck of a setup. When camping I tow a BOB YAK trailer with a
  >>hardtail mountain bike. The trailer is far too small to use for a canoe. Can
  >>you give me some ideas on how to attach the end of the canoe to my hardtail?

Having missed much of the thread, I may be making a duplicate
suggestion. Have you looked at Bikes at Work
(http://www.bikesatwork.com/bike-trailers/)?

Dave
dvt at psu dot edu<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Garrison Hilliard" <garrison RemoveThis @efn.org> wrote in message
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 > "Icruzna40" <jasforbes RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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  > > Hey, that's one heck of a setup. When camping I tow a BOB YAK trailer
with a
  > > hardtail mountain bike. The trailer is far too small to use for a canoe.
Can
  > > you give me some ideas on how to attach the end of the canoe to my
hardtail?
 >
 > The best suggestion I have is to purchase a rear rack and use that as
 > an attachment point for your canoe/trailer and store your gear in the
 > canoe. Now,
 > you might have some problems with your rear bike wheel - boat bow
 > clearance, but a simple way to overcame that is by fixing a pipe or
 > (as I did on my mountain bike) 26 inches of two-by-four securely to
 > the rear rack, sink a large eye screw or pivot in the end of the
 > two-by-four and use it as an attachment point for your towed item.

Yep, I have the large wheels and nowhere near the clearance like in Peter's
photo. I ran a search on Google and found a webpage with info and photos on
using a two-by-four with screw-eye as you described(is that your page?). I
like the 2x4 idea, but I'll need to alter the plan a bit to accommadate my
GT frame design. I'm thinking of laminating multiple layers of 3/4" Baltic
Birch plywood together. Then cutting an arch-shaped towbar to curve over the
wheel. I'm not sure what I'll do yet, I'm looking at ordering my canoe next
week. Here is the site I found:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/canoe_bike.html" target="_blank">http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/canoe_bike.html</a> . Thanks guys.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:42:07 GMT, "Icruzna40" <jasforbes DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

  >> Now,
  >> you might have some problems with your rear bike wheel - boat bow
  >> clearance, but a simple way to overcame that is by fixing a pipe or
  >> (as I did on my mountain bike) 26 inches of two-by-four securely to
  >> the rear rack, sink a large eye screw or pivot in the end of the
  >> two-by-four and use it as an attachment point for your towed item.
 >
 >Yep, I have the large wheels and nowhere near the clearance like in Peter's
 >photo. I ran a search on Google and found a webpage with info and photos on
 >using a two-by-four with screw-eye as you described(is that your page?).

Nope, that's a much more elaborate set-up than I use, and my 2x4 is secured to
the rear of the bike and the canoe attached to it rather than (as shown on that
webpage) secured to the canoe and the bike's attached to it. Plus my canoe has a
bow eye, so I just use that and a snap joint as pivot for turns rather than the
(admittedly well-made) swiveling tongue on the aforementioned webpage.

 >I
 >like the 2x4 idea, but I'll need to alter the plan a bit to accommadate my
 >GT frame design. I'm thinking of laminating multiple layers of 3/4" Baltic
 >Birch plywood together. Then cutting an arch-shaped towbar to curve over the
 >wheel. I'm not sure what I'll do yet, I'm looking at ordering my canoe next
 >week. Here is the site I found:
 >http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/canoe_bike.html . Thanks guys.


My set-up isn't as sturdy as that one, but mine has the advantage of being
adaptable for towing other canoes or trailers.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Holy cow, a 300lb capacity bike trailer. I don't have time to look at all
the info on it, but I saw the photo of one towing a refrigerator. I'll read
the site later - I'd like to know if they offer trailer brakes.

"dvt" <dvt_spam.DeleteThis@psu.edu> wrote in message
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 > "Icruzna40" <jasforbes.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
 > news:<hua1c.30815$hm4.6005@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
 >
   > >>Hey, that's one heck of a setup. When camping I tow a BOB YAK trailer
with a
   > >>hardtail mountain bike. The trailer is far too small to use for a canoe.
Can
   > >>you give me some ideas on how to attach the end of the canoe to my
hardtail?
 >
 > Having missed much of the thread, I may be making a duplicate
 > suggestion. Have you looked at Bikes at Work
 > (http://www.bikesatwork.com/bike-trailers/)?
 >
 > Dave
 > dvt at psu dot edu
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