Self bailing or not

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:20:25 -0400, hk <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote:

>Richard Casady wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:37:30 -0400, hk <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps the wall was built by non-union masons and the
>>> mortar is mostly sand.
>>
>> Mortar is supposed to be three quarters sand.
>>
>> Casady
>
>
>Kinda depends on the mortar and its use. Typical 3/1/12 "M" mortar is
>indeed 3/4's sand, but that doesn't mean it is "mostly sand," because
>"mostly sand" won't work as mortar. You need the other ingredients for a
>real bond...portland cement and lime and depending on the weather and
>strength, sometimes other incredients. And let's not forget the water, eh?
>
>However, beginning apprentices build short walls out of brick and only
>sand and water as their mortar, because the brick and the sand are
>knocked over and used over and over.
>
>Unskilled, poorly trained non-union masons are known to put too much
>sand in their mortar mixes in order to save more money for the
>contractor. I've also seen them build veneers walls 12' tall without the
>use of brick ties and without putting in weep holes.
>
The mix has to done right. Too much portland and you get cracking.
A nice mix should weather evenly - soft enough not to crack and hard
enough not to weather out too fast. The coloring can be expensive.
I started to tuckpoint my 2-flat in the city - this is 25 years ago.
And I started, and I started and I started.
Had my own ladders, and got ladder jacks and 20' plank from my
brother, who was a house painter I worked with on a few occasions.
This was sides-of-the-house rough brick. Maybe 40' x 20' less
windows. It was bad enough 4 or 5 bricks were already shot.
Left the front, which was beautiful face brick, for last, figuring I'd
be good by then.
No problem with the mix and coloration - a chocolate tone.
No problem with applying the raised bead I preferred, though I was
slow.
The problem was facing that brick wall for more than 1/2 hour.
Drove me absolutely crazy, and after about a week of daily 1/2 hour
attempts I figured it would take me 11 years to do at the rate I was
going, so I packed up my gear and got a crew to do it.
Took 4 guys a couple days to do all 4 walls and they did a real nice
job. Poles my Polish wife found real quick.
Just about everything in Poland is masonry and there's a lot of
skilled masons from there. Plenty of unskilled ones over there too,
judging from some pictures my wife just brought home.
When I moved into this house the rough brick joints on 2 sides were
worn bad with a couple bricks almost needing replacement. Face brick
joints aren't too bad.
I showed my kid how to mix mortar and point, offered him 500 bucks to
do the 2 rough sides and he did it in about 2 weeks during his summer
vacation.
I'd do a rub test to check once in a while to see that his mix was
good, and point out if he missed a spot.
Think we used a mortar mix and sand instead of separate lime and
portland.
He was 13.
He did a good job, but the cable or phone guys always ask me who did
my tuckpointing when they see all the mortar he got on their boxes.
Just cosmetics. I still have to get on the roof and point the chimney
because he was afraid to go up there - or so he claimed.
I'll hire a pro for the face brick sides soon, which is the only way
I'd go with that.

--Vic
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>>> Calif Bill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only wall I saw fall down from bad mortar was at my dad's shop and was
>>>> built by "Union Masons"! The construction union never bothered my dad
>>>> again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> Also, the first part of my response was literary. D'oh. Are you related
>>> to Loogy and Justwait?
>>
>>
>> Tweet.
>>
>> Foul ...... Krause...
>>
>> Eisboch
>
> ROTFL ~ Glad I didn't have a mouthful of Diet Coke or it would be new
> keyboard time.
>
> Ah, the new *zebra* on the block. How long before you wear out your
> whistle? 8>)
>

Just threw it in the trash can.

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>>>> Calif Bill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only wall I saw fall down from bad mortar was at my dad's shop and was
>>>>> built by "Union Masons"! The construction union never bothered my dad
>>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Also, the first part of my response was literary. D'oh. Are you related
>>>> to Loogy and Justwait?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tweet.
>>>
>>> Foul ...... Krause...
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>>
>> ROTFL ~ Glad I didn't have a mouthful of Diet Coke or it would be new
>> keyboard time.
>>
>> Ah, the new *zebra* on the block. How long before you wear out your
>> whistle? 8>)
>>
>
> Just threw it in the trash can.
>
> Eisboch


Tweet. That's the word that got me.
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:55:10 -0400, hk <payer33859.DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote:

>Richard Casady wrote:
>
>> My family has a square stern Grumman canoe with a sailing rig. [that
>> hasn't been used since the fifties] Also a three HP evinrude that is
>> downright scary at WOT. It could easily handle the trip sail, or
>> power. It isn't that far...
>
>> Casady
>
>
>You think a canoe with a 3 hp outboard is sufficient for a trip from
>Florida to Bimini, eh?
>
>I think taking or even advising taking that sort of trip in a canoe is
>foolish. Aside from all the other stuff that could happen, one sudden
>wave breaking broadside and you are shark food.
>
>Gotta love rec.boats...

Never capsized a canoe. Not if fifty years of using the same canoe as
a matter of fact.

Casady
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Richard Casady wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:55:10 -0400, hk <payer33859.TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote:
>
>> Richard Casady wrote:
>>
>>> My family has a square stern Grumman canoe with a sailing rig. [that
>>> hasn't been used since the fifties] Also a three HP evinrude that is
>>> downright scary at WOT. It could easily handle the trip sail, or
>>> power. It isn't that far...
>>> Casady
>>
>> You think a canoe with a 3 hp outboard is sufficient for a trip from
>> Florida to Bimini, eh?
>>
>> I think taking or even advising taking that sort of trip in a canoe is
>> foolish. Aside from all the other stuff that could happen, one sudden
>> wave breaking broadside and you are shark food.
>>
>> Gotta love rec.boats...
>
> Never capsized a canoe. Not if fifty years of using the same canoe as
> a matter of fact.
>
> Casady
>

I have. Running a canoe from Florida to Bimini ought to be enough for
someone to be Baker Acted. :>)
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>>>> Calif Bill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only wall I saw fall down from bad mortar was at my dad's shop and was
>>>>> built by "Union Masons"! The construction union never bothered my dad
>>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Also, the first part of my response was literary. D'oh. Are you related
>>>> to Loogy and Justwait?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tweet.
>>>
>>> Foul ...... Krause...
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>>
>> ROTFL ~ Glad I didn't have a mouthful of Diet Coke or it would be new
>> keyboard time.
>>
>> Ah, the new *zebra* on the block. How long before you wear out your
>> whistle? 8>)
>>
>
> Just threw it in the trash can.
>
> Eisboch
>

Swish?
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>> I've noticed only one who has called you names. Of course, Harry accuses
>> you of piling bullshit on bullshit, but that's respectful.
>>>
>
> Nope. That was not directed at me. I would have taken notice.
>
> Eisboch
>

I think we need a daily bet........how many times John, Reggie and Loogy
include the word "Harry" or otherwise complain about him in their posts.

Me thinks that total today would be at or around 20 today.
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>>> I've noticed only one who has called you names. Of course, Harry accuses
>>> you of piling bullshit on bullshit, but that's respectful.
>>>>
>>
>> Nope. That was not directed at me. I would have taken notice.
>>
>> Eisboch
>>
>
> I think we need a daily bet........how many times John, Reggie and Loogy
> include the word "Harry" or otherwise complain about him in their posts.
>
> Me thinks that total today would be at or around 20 today.
>

You all are missing the objective here.

Eisboch
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0400, salty DeleteThis @dog.com wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:56:28 GMT, richardcasady DeleteThis @earthlink.net (Richard
>Casady) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:55:10 -0400, hk <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Richard Casady wrote:
>>>
>>>> My family has a square stern Grumman canoe with a sailing rig. [that
>>>> hasn't been used since the fifties] Also a three HP evinrude that is
>>>> downright scary at WOT. It could easily handle the trip sail, or
>>>> power. It isn't that far...
>>>
>>>> Casady
>>>
>>>
>>>You think a canoe with a 3 hp outboard is sufficient for a trip from
>>>Florida to Bimini, eh?
>>>
>>>I think taking or even advising taking that sort of trip in a canoe is
>>>foolish. Aside from all the other stuff that could happen, one sudden
>>>wave breaking broadside and you are shark food.
>>
>>Trip would take less than three hours.
>>
>>Casady
>
>Catastrophe could be a matter of seconds or minutes. Three hours could
>be an eternity.

I do have a 22 foot sterndrive that I would use before I would use the
canoe. [The scow could sail there in less than three hours, but so
what.], My runabout doesn't really have enough deadrise. No easy fix
for that.

Casady
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>>>> I've noticed only one who has called you names. Of course, Harry
>>>> accuses
>>>> you of piling bullshit on bullshit, but that's respectful.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. That was not directed at me. I would have taken notice.
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>>>
>>
>> I think we need a daily bet........how many times John, Reggie and Loogy
>> include the word "Harry" or otherwise complain about him in their posts.
>>
>> Me thinks that total today would be at or around 20 today.
>>
>
> You all are missing the objective here.
>
> Eisboch
>

Harry did this, Harry said that. Harry is a, Harry, Harry,
Harry did this, Harry said that. Harry is a, Harry, Harry,
Harry did this, Harry said that. Harry is a, Harry, Harry,
Harry did this, Harry said that. Harry is a, Harry, Harry, ..........

Great objective.............

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:11:18 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:

> Three. I've had newsgroup
>discussions and debates with Harry for about 13 years now. Eventually, I
>want to succeed in my goal of converting him into a Republican.

Another keyboard shot to hell.

Dude- you gotta warn people while their are drinking their Pepsi. :>)
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Eisboch wrote:
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>>>> I've noticed only one who has called you names. Of course, Harry accuses
>>>> you of piling bullshit on bullshit, but that's respectful.
>>> Nope. That was not directed at me. I would have taken notice.
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>>>
>> I think we need a daily bet........how many times John, Reggie and Loogy
>> include the word "Harry" or otherwise complain about him in their posts.
>>
>> Me thinks that total today would be at or around 20 today.
>>
>
> You all are missing the objective here.
>
> Eisboch
>
>

He is missing a lot in *life* if keeping score here is all he has to do.
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