Self bailing or not

External Since: Jan 21, 2008 Posts: 971

justwaitafrekinminute DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 18, 1:21 pm, JamesGan... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>> On Aug 18, 12:29 pm, ohara... DeleteThis @mindspring.com wrote:
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>>> On Aug 18, 12:15 pm, JamesGan... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Aug 18, 11:46 am, ohara... DeleteThis @mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>> I want to decide whether or not to install self bailing on my Tolman
>>>>> to go offshore. From what I can see, self bailing is installed on
>>>>> boats with sealed decks with the scuppers roughly 3" above the deck.
>>>>> My boat has no deck because I think it is important to have access to
>>>>> the hull at all times. My current floatation is from two compartments
>>>>> with screw on covers at bow and stern. I can even get into them if
>>>>> necessary. This lack of deck means that any scuppers would be far
>>>>> above the bottom of the boat and would not drain much water. Instead,
>>>>> I rely on the inherent dryness of the boat (very high bow and sides)
>>>>> and the completely sealed dry well in front of the motor and a large
>>>>> 3500 gph pump just in case. From my reading, I see that scuppers seem
>>>>> to cause a lot of problems too. However, one web site stated flatly
>>>>> that any boat going offshore had to have self bailing. So, thoughts?
>>>> It would be pointless to install scuppers on your boat. And 3500 gph
>>>> is under extremely ideal conditions. Best figure that your real world
>>>> results would be about half that. That's about 30 gpm. If you take
>>>> multiple hits, no bilge pump is going to keep up. Make sure you
>>>> travel in a group if you're going offshore in a boat not really suited
>>>> to be offshore. It's not that you can't make the trip successfully
>>>> given the correct conditions. It's that many combinations of things
>>>> can rapidly overwhelm you. Simply encountering a small storm and then
>>>> having the engine quit can be more than your boat can handle.
>>> I do have a 9.8 hp pull start kicker too.
>>> BTW, I currently do not have a cover for my boat and last week I left
>>> the plug in her and she filled with rainwater to the height of the
>>> stringers (8"). I used my small pump (750 gal/hr) to pump her out and
>>> it took 5 min. The same thing with the 3500 gph should therefor take
>>> about 65 sec. I am installing the 3500 with asmooth hose instead of
>>> the corrugated stuff so it may be even faster.- Hide quoted text -
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>> You don't understand. You don't get 5 minutes between waves. You
>> don't even get 30 seconds. If you lose engine power is a squall and
>> can't keep the bow into the waves then you're in big trouble. If you
>> start taking waves over the side or transom then in very short order
>> you'e going to be swamped. Each wave is going to lower your boat so
>> that the next wave dumps in even more water. We talking just a
>> handful of waves before you are swamped. Your kicker will not be
>> strong enough in storm. The wind and waves will overwhelm a 9.8 hp
>> motor. Maybe it clears up fast and you still have enough battery
>> power to pump it out. The battery will die fast once salt water gets
>> to it.
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>> Bottom line you need to have someone around that can pick you up if
>> the worst happens.
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>> This is a homebuilt? Do you know that your floatation will keep the
>> boat afloat when swamped? How did you calculate the flotation? Have
>> you tested it? Or do you just "think" it's enough? Take it out into
>> a couple feet of water some place with a sandy bottom and where you
>> can get a rope to a tow vehicle on shore then sink it. See what
>> happens. If it sinks to the bottom just drag it towards the shore
>> until you can pump it out.- Hide quoted text -
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> Right now, he has flotation compartments that utilize the hull skin as
> part of the compartment.. I have made a couple of suggestions as to
> how he can make them better. For now, I want to not jump down his
> throat as he has been taking a beating from one of our most famous
> trolls so he may (rightfully so) be getting a little defensive.. I
> am sure he is here trying to do the right thing, so I will keep
> watching...

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If you are referring to me, buddy boy, one of the differences between us
is that I value life and limb and you don't. I've seen and read of too
many boating accidents that ended badly because the boater(s) exceeded
either their abilities or the abilities of their boats, or both.

Once again, I ask you...how much experience have you had building boats
that are competent to go out on the ocean? How many hundreds of hours
have you spent out on small boats on the ocean?

The proper advice is to advise O'Hara not make the trip in his Tolman.
It's just too risky, especially for a guy that whatever his sailboating
experience seems really limited on open ocean powerboat experience.

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I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

External Since: Sep 07, 2007 Posts: 538

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:56:46 -0700 (PDT),
justwaitafrekinminute.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:

>On Aug 18, 1:46 pm, hk <payer33....TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote:
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>> The proper advice is to advise O'Hara not make the trip in his Tolman.
>> It's just too risky, especially for a guy that whatever his sailboating
>> experience seems really limited on open ocean powerboat experience.
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>Because I don't talk out of my ass, I know about wood/composite
>construction and flotation, that's what I will talk about. Folks just
>need to know that your info is often scewed by, who knows what? Often
>times either googled, or worse, wiki, then taken out of context or
>edited, or just plain bullshit all together, just to fight. Your
>constant mocking and trolling keeps many good folks from posting here.

You talk out of your ass constantly, Scotty... or maybe it's just your
breath.