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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:01 pm
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This may sound like a dim question, but I can't find the answer anywhere.
All my previous boats have had a length of anchor chain (about 10m) and then
nylon 3-ply rope for the rest. The latest boat has all chain - about 30m
worth. The chain goes round the samson post and then through a deck fitting
and down a tube into a locker in the bows. There is some kind of stopper on
the end of the chain to prevent it running out and overboard at its limits.
The anchor locker (and therefore the stopper device) is only accessible by
unscrewing a panel in the cabin and grubbing about on hands and knees.
So what happens if I foul the anchor and can't retrieve it, or there is an
emergency which needs a rapid exit - a nearby boat on fire, perhaps? On my
other boats, I always carried a sharp knife so that I could "cut and run" if
I had to. The only way to do this with my current anchor would be to start
hacksawing the chain and hope the Irish ferry/blazing Fairline/whatever
doesn't hit me first.
It can't be an unusual problem, as I have seen many bigger boats with
chain-only ground tackle. What is the usual solution, or have I missed
something?
Thanks
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:25 am
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Bolt cutters.
"Richard Brookman" <newsboy.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> This may sound like a dim question, but I can't find the answer anywhere.
>
> All my previous boats have had a length of anchor chain (about 10m) and
> then nylon 3-ply rope for the rest. The latest boat has all chain - about
> 30m worth. The chain goes round the samson post and then through a deck
> fitting and down a tube into a locker in the bows. There is some kind of
> stopper on the end of the chain to prevent it running out and overboard at
> its limits. The anchor locker (and therefore the stopper device) is only
> accessible by unscrewing a panel in the cabin and grubbing about on hands
> and knees.
>
> So what happens if I foul the anchor and can't retrieve it, or there is an
> emergency which needs a rapid exit - a nearby boat on fire, perhaps? On
> my other boats, I always carried a sharp knife so that I could "cut and
> run" if I had to. The only way to do this with my current anchor would be
> to start hacksawing the chain and hope the Irish ferry/blazing
> Fairline/whatever doesn't hit me first.
>
> It can't be an unusual problem, as I have seen many bigger boats with
> chain-only ground tackle. What is the usual solution, or have I missed
> something?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
>
> Rich
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:56 pm
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so David Flew was, like...
> Bolt cutters.
You serious, David? A new Fairline Squadron at over a million quid comes
with emergency *boltcutters*?
I admit they would work, but - *boltcutters*? 
Rich
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> "Richard Brookman" <newsboy.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> It can't be an unusual problem, as I have seen many bigger boats with
>> chain-only ground tackle. What is the usual solution, or have I
>> missed something?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:59 pm
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Unscrew the panel, put a shackle on the end of the chain, thimble and splice
a suitable length of rope and put some kind of stopper on the end of it. You
then have the emergency cut off that you need. You are quite right to be
concerned about this one! If you are worried about losing all that expensive
ground tackle, have a large bouy with a snap link (carbine) close by the cut
off point, snap the bouy onto the chain before cutting, retrieve when
emergency is over.
"Richard Brookman" <newsboy.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3m9m85F14stepU1@individual.net...
> This may sound like a dim question, but I can't find the answer anywhere.
>
> All my previous boats have had a length of anchor chain (about 10m) and
> then nylon 3-ply rope for the rest. The latest boat has all chain - about
> 30m worth. The chain goes round the samson post and then through a deck
> fitting and down a tube into a locker in the bows. There is some kind of
> stopper on the end of the chain to prevent it running out and overboard at
> its limits. The anchor locker (and therefore the stopper device) is only
> accessible by unscrewing a panel in the cabin and grubbing about on hands
> and knees.
>
> So what happens if I foul the anchor and can't retrieve it, or there is an
> emergency which needs a rapid exit - a nearby boat on fire, perhaps? On
> my other boats, I always carried a sharp knife so that I could "cut and
> run" if I had to. The only way to do this with my current anchor would be
> to start hacksawing the chain and hope the Irish ferry/blazing
> Fairline/whatever doesn't hit me first.
>
> It can't be an unusual problem, as I have seen many bigger boats with
> chain-only ground tackle. What is the usual solution, or have I missed
> something?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
>
> Rich
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:49 am
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>"Richard Brookman" <newsboy.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:3m9m85F14stepU1@individual.net...
>> This may sound like a dim question, but I can't find the answer anywhere.
>>
>> All my previous boats have had a length of anchor chain (about 10m) and
>> then nylon 3-ply rope for the rest. The latest boat has all chain - about
>> 30m worth. The chain goes round the samson post and then through a deck
>> fitting and down a tube into a locker in the bows. There is some kind of
>> stopper on the end of the chain to prevent it running out and overboard at
>> its limits. The anchor locker (and therefore the stopper device) is only
>> accessible by unscrewing a panel in the cabin and grubbing about on hands
>> and knees.
>>
In article <3mddmfF16hkf3U1.TakeThisOut@individual.net>, Roddytoo
<cfba06985.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>Unscrew the panel, put a shackle on the end of the chain, thimble and splice
>a suitable length of rope and put some kind of stopper on the end of it. You
>then have the emergency cut off that you need. You are quite right to be
>concerned about this one! If you are worried about losing all that expensive
>ground tackle, have a large bouy with a snap link (carbine) close by the cut
>off point, snap the bouy onto the chain before cutting, retrieve when
>emergency is over.
Another aspect of doing this is that you would have rope through your
fairlead and other deck fittings with the anchor deployed at full
tength, which would be likely to cause less abrasion and damage to your
foredeck area.
Of course, if you are in shallow depth and only need half your chain,
this would not apply - but the normal advice is 'if in doubt, let more
out'.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:55 pm
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so Roddytoo was, like...
> Unscrew the panel, put a shackle on the end of the chain, thimble and
> splice a suitable length of rope and put some kind of stopper on the
> end of it. You then have the emergency cut off that you need. You are
> quite right to be concerned about this one! If you are worried about
> losing all that expensive ground tackle, have a large bouy with a
> snap link (carbine) close by the cut off point, snap the bouy onto
> the chain before cutting, retrieve when emergency is over.
>
>> It can't be an unusual problem, as I have seen many bigger boats with
>> chain-only ground tackle. What is the usual solution, or have I
>> missed something?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
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>> Rich
>> =========================
>> Na'tant 24 "Spinners"
Makes sense - thanks. It would have to be a small shackle on the end of the
chain to pass through the deck tube, but I get the principle. Mark Turley
from MBM has just replied with a similar answer, although without the
helpful bit about the buoy. I would have thought of that one the day
*after* I lost the tackle.
Cheers
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:50 pm
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Think of them as being a sharp knife for chain. I understand that bolt
cutters are essential equipment on yachts - only way to cut rigging if it
fails and the mast is lost.
What did they use in the shop when they sold you the chain - I'll bet it
wasn't a hacksaw. I rest my case.
DF
"Richard Brookman" <newsboy DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> so David Flew was, like...
>> Bolt cutters.
>
> You serious, David? A new Fairline Squadron at over a million quid comes
> with emergency *boltcutters*?
>
> I admit they would work, but - *boltcutters*?
>
> Rich
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>> "Richard Brookman" <newsboy DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:3m9m85F14stepU1@individual.net...
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>>> It can't be an unusual problem, as I have seen many bigger boats with
>>> chain-only ground tackle. What is the usual solution, or have I
>>> missed something?
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so David Flew was, like...
> Think of them as being a sharp knife for chain.
Yes, that sounds like boltcutters
> I understand that
> bolt cutters are essential equipment on yachts - only way to cut
> rigging if it fails and the mast is lost.
> What did they use in the shop when they sold you the chain - I'll bet
> it wasn't a hacksaw. I rest my case.
The ground tackle came with the boat, so I don't know the answer to this
one. But I would guess - boltcutters. Don't get me wrong, boltcutters
would do the job. I just can't imagine someone buying a new Sunseeker or
something and being told by the salesman "By the way Sir, we have a set of
marine grade boltcutters as an accessory if you wish, to fit straight into
the boltcutter compartment faired into the windlass housing." There must be
a more subtle solution, surely?
Rich
> DF
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>> so David Flew was, like...
>>> Bolt cutters.
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>> You serious, David? A new Fairline Squadron at over a million quid
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:12 am
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> Makes sense - thanks. It would have to be a small shackle on the end of
> the
> chain to pass through the deck tube, but I get the principle. Mark Turley
> from MBM has just replied with a similar answer, although without the
> helpful bit about the buoy. I would have thought of that one the day
> *after* I lost the tackle.
>
> Cheers
The bouy - comes of being a small boat angler and the need to drop
everything in a hurry. Unfortunately we are not always spotted by French
trawlers, or then again, are we fair game? Has he seen us? He's swung
towards us....He must have....no, he's still coming....dump the lot! This of
course depends upon an outboard that will start when you want it to. NB it
always seems to be the French!
You could always dispense with the shackle to save space, splice the rope
directly onto the chain and re do the splice when it shows signs of wear,
treat the rope as expendable.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:26 am
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so Roddytoo was, like...
>> Makes sense - thanks. It would have to be a small shackle on the
>> end of the
>> chain to pass through the deck tube, but I get the principle. Mark
>> Turley from MBM has just replied with a similar answer, although
>> without the helpful bit about the buoy. I would have thought of
>> that one the day *after* I lost the tackle.
>>
>> Cheers
> The bouy - comes of being a small boat angler and the need to drop
> everything in a hurry. Unfortunately we are not always spotted by
> French trawlers, or then again, are we fair game? Has he seen us?
> He's swung towards us....He must have....no, he's still
> coming....dump the lot! This of course depends upon an outboard that
> will start when you want it to. NB it always seems to be the French!
> You could always dispense with the shackle to save space, splice the
> rope directly onto the chain and re do the splice when it shows signs
> of wear, treat the rope as expendable.
> My website:
> www.knotatwork.co.uk
Not many French trawlers round here - the Spanish ones keep well clear (if
they get too close they get their holds full of undersized fish
confiscated). The Irish ferry (Pembroke-Rosslare) is huge but predictable.
The main risk to ground tackle is foul ground due to the number of wrecks
and wartime cables etc on the bottom. I haven't been stuck yet, but I know
people who have, and there's always a first time. I'm going to take your
advice and splice a light line directly to the chain. I'll feel a lot
happier. In fact, I might lose most of the chain and go back to 5-10m chain
and 30m nylon 3-ply. It always worked well before, and it's a lot easier to
handle when you haven't got an anchor windlass. It all depends on if I can
persuade 30m of rope to descend back down the deck tube and into the locker.
At last, I now have a boat with an inboard diesel which starts on the
button. Slow but sure.
Cheers
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In article <3mcaapF16a0ubU1 DeleteThis @individual.net>, Richard Brookman
<newsboy DeleteThis @nowhere.com> writes
>so David Flew was, like...
>> Bolt cutters.
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>You serious, David? A new Fairline Squadron at over a million quid comes
>with emergency *boltcutters*?
If it doesn't, then it should.
Why do you think virtually all chandleries sell them?
>I admit they would work, but - *boltcutters*?
If you can think of anything better, then patent it and you'll probably
be able to retire on the proceeds.
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so Marshall Rice was, like...
> In article <3mcaapF16a0ubU1.DeleteThis@individual.net>, Richard Brookman
> <newsboy.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> writes
>> so David Flew was, like...
>>> Bolt cutters.
>>
>> You serious, David? A new Fairline Squadron at over a million quid
>> comes with emergency *boltcutters*?
>
> If it doesn't, then it should.
>
> Why do you think virtually all chandleries sell them?
>
>> I admit they would work, but - *boltcutters*?
>
> If you can think of anything better, then patent it and you'll
> probably be able to retire on the proceeds.
OK, boltcutters it is. Thanks.
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Hi
Don't for get you need at least 1ft of chain for every foot of boat length
to ensure the anchor works effectively
Regards
Dave
> Not many French trawlers round here - the Spanish ones keep well clear (if
> they get too close they get their holds full of undersized fish
> confiscated). The Irish ferry (Pembroke-Rosslare) is huge but
> predictable. The main risk to ground tackle is foul ground due to the
> number of wrecks and wartime cables etc on the bottom. I haven't been
> stuck yet, but I know people who have, and there's always a first time.
> I'm going to take your advice and splice a light line directly to the
> chain. I'll feel a lot happier. In fact, I might lose most of the chain
> and go back to 5-10m chain and 30m nylon 3-ply. It always worked well
> before, and it's a lot easier to handle when you haven't got an anchor
> windlass. It all depends on if I can persuade 30m of rope to descend back
> down the deck tube and into the locker.
>
> At last, I now have a boat with an inboard diesel which starts on the
> button. Slow but sure.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Rich
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