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Since: Dec 31, 2003 Posts: 1018
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(Msg. 46) Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 10:28 pm
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>> So what's your favorite way of replacing fuel tanks on a GB49?
Up through the engine hatch.
You will need to pull at least one engine.
You may get away with temporarily moving the other engine onto the opposite
mounts,
(and then back again, obviously) when the new tanks are installed. Depends on
space.
How do you plan to use the boat? Many trawlers have a lot more fuel capacity
than they need. A boater running 75 hours a year has too much fuel on board
with 450-500 gallons, yet you run into these situations all the time. You could
possibly make your life easier if you could use slightly smaller tanks. Going
to smaller tanks could impact the eventual resale value, however, and its
defintiely not something you'd want to do if cruising the length of the ICW is
part of your plan for the boat.
The bladder option may be less desirable on large tanks. Bladders don't have
the internal baffling that helps control slosh in partially filled tanks. Way
more than OK on a 10 gallon sailboat aux application, but
unless there's some way to baffle bladders that I don't know anything about I'd
be careful on a 150-250 gallon tank.
You found the tanks at the *right* time.
You have a lot of leverage to get the seller to make the repair. After all, if
the seller lets you "walk" over the fuel tank issue, he'll simply be dealing
with it again in several months when (if) he finds another buyer, who will also
want the boat surveyed.
You are well aware, of course, that unless
the availability of cash is a key issue that makes it more convenient to roll
repairs into a boat loan, you're better off to get an estimate from a
legitimate yard, (add 20% for aggravation and the inevitable "discoveries" as
the job progresses), and get a financial concession from the seller.
The seller will be more likely to grant a price concession than to screw around
doing repairs on a boat he's mentally done with. If the seller does attempt to
do the repairs it will likely be a quick and very dirty job- not at all what
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Since: Feb 17, 2004 Posts: 317
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(Msg. 47) Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 11:49 pm
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On 18 May 2004 13:56:06 GMT, gould0738.DeleteThis@aol.com (Gould 0738) wrote:
>>"JAXAshby" <jaxashby.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:20040518071743.18279.00001191@mb-m23.aol.com...
>>> >Rope. In all of his millennia handling boats, he uses rope.
>>>
>>> that is the term used by boaters in the context of the Sea-Ray owner's
>>> question.
>>>
>>> "line" is fishing line, "rope" is anchor rope.
>>
>>Try anchor rode.
>>
>>Eisboch
>
>
>Acch!
>
>You're all right, sort of.
>
>"Rope" is a proper term for certain types of cordage aboard a boat.
>Technically, it is supposed to apply to cordage that is 1" or more in diameter,
>with lesser sizes considered "small stuff", or "twine". Nobody in 2004 uses the
>term "small stuff" on a pleasure boat, and we all think of "twine" as something
>you use to wrap a parcel or lash a Christmas tree to the roof of the family
>station wagon. Rope works.
>The guy who refers to unemployed cordage
>as "rope" isn't lubberly- it's the white slacks, blue blazer, yacht clubber
>gripping the champagne flute with an extended pinky finger and feigning disgust
>whenever anybody uses the term "rope" that
>displays ignorance on the topic.
>
>When rope is put to work, it can become a "line." It can be a bow line, a stern
>line, a spring line, a breast line, etc.
>But rope can work without being a line of any type. It can be a halyard, a
>lashing, a bell rope, or any number of things not properly considered a "line."
>
>An achor rode is the rope, chain, cable, or combination thereof that connects
>vessel to anchor.
>
So...... what is the diameter of a 3 inch rope?
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Since: Feb 15, 2004 Posts: 304
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(Msg. 48) Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 11:50 pm
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Gene Kearns wrote:
> On 18 May 2004 13:56:06 GMT, gould0738.DeleteThis@aol.com (Gould 0738) wrote:
>
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>>>"JAXAshby" <jaxashby.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:20040518071743.18279.00001191@mb-m23.aol.com...
>>>
>>>>>Rope. In all of his millennia handling boats, he uses rope.
>>>>
>>>>that is the term used by boaters in the context of the Sea-Ray owner's
>>>>question.
>>>>
>>>>"line" is fishing line, "rope" is anchor rope.
>>>
>>>Try anchor rode.
>>>
>>>Eisboch
>>
>>
>>Acch!
>>
>>You're all right, sort of.
>>
>>"Rope" is a proper term for certain types of cordage aboard a boat.
>>Technically, it is supposed to apply to cordage that is 1" or more in diameter,
>>with lesser sizes considered "small stuff", or "twine". Nobody in 2004 uses the
>>term "small stuff" on a pleasure boat, and we all think of "twine" as something
>>you use to wrap a parcel or lash a Christmas tree to the roof of the family
>>station wagon. Rope works.
>>The guy who refers to unemployed cordage
>>as "rope" isn't lubberly- it's the white slacks, blue blazer, yacht clubber
>>gripping the champagne flute with an extended pinky finger and feigning disgust
>>whenever anybody uses the term "rope" that
>>displays ignorance on the topic.
>>
>>When rope is put to work, it can become a "line." It can be a bow line, a stern
>>line, a spring line, a breast line, etc.
>>But rope can work without being a line of any type. It can be a halyard, a
>>lashing, a bell rope, or any number of things not properly considered a "line."
>>
>>An achor rode is the rope, chain, cable, or combination thereof that connects
>>vessel to anchor.
>>
>
>
>
> So...... what is the diameter of a 3 inch rope?
>
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Since: Jul 23, 2003 Posts: 930
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:50 am
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For Jaxassby, it is line, for the rest of us, we can use rope. As in "tie
the end of the anchor rope to the dead body, before tossing it overboard."
Bill
"Gould 0738" <gould0738.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >It is not a rope on the boat, it is a line, and when it is attached to
the
> >anchor, it becomes a rode.
> >Bill
>
> No, not true Bill.
>
> It's not a line if its a rope.
>
> A rope can become a line when it is put to use.
>
> From Lenfesty: (a widely acknowledged arbiter of nautical verbiage)
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> line (n) The word applied to rope in many of its functional applications
aboard
> ship...
>
> (Lefesty continues with an observation that rope is not always called
"line".)
>
> .....there are many exceptions, such as boltrope, footrope, and bell rope,
or
> halyard, sheet, and cable.
>
> Regarding the overuse of the term "line", Lenfesty declares:
>
> Some of the most specious and arbitrary writing has arisen over the use of
the
> word "rope" on seagoing vessels. Some writers flatly declare that when
cordage
> comes aboard a vessel if is line unless it is specifically named, as with
> boltrope; but this bit of mystique was unheard of a hundred years or so
ago.
>
> ***
>
> Nobody would ever say, "When you attach an achor to a halyard..........."
so
> why is it corect, indeed claimed to be the only correct option, to say
"when
> you attach an anchor to a line." When you attach an achor to a bow line,
stern
> line, breast line, or spring line.....you look pretty silly in my book.
>
> The reason we don't have an anchor "line" is that we call that use of rope
a
> "rode".
>
> I think this "line" fixation might have originated with you guys who use
your
> boats for rod and reel fishing. You call everything you can spool onto a
reel a
> fishing "line". It would be pretty ridiculous to refer to fishing rope,
twine,
> or cordage.
>
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Since: Jun 29, 2003 Posts: 1044
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 3:30 am
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>It is not a rope on the boat, it is a line, and when it is attached to the
>anchor, it becomes a rode.
>Bill
In France, they speak French. In Italy, they speak Italian. In California,
they speak cereal (i.e. nuts, fruits and flakes). On Midwest lakes, an anchor
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Since: Feb 17, 2004 Posts: 317
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 3:30 am
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On 19 May 2004 00:30:41 GMT, jaxashby.TakeThisOut@aol.com (JAXAshby) wrote:
>>It is not a rope on the boat, it is a line, and when it is attached to the
>>anchor, it becomes a rode.
>>Bill
>
>In France, they speak French. In Italy, they speak Italian. In California,
>they speak cereal (i.e. nuts, fruits and flakes). On Midwest lakes, an anchor
>is tied to a boat with a rope.
In the Midwest one can expect the nautical experience of those
accustomed to a prairie schooner.
Just how much does that "rope" stretch?? It that the same "rope" that
Roy Rogers uses? Get along little dingy..... yip....yip.....
yee-haw.... little mushroom anchor....
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Since: Jun 29, 2003 Posts: 1044
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 3:32 am
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Since: Jan 07, 2004 Posts: 813
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(Msg. 53) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 3:54 am
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On 18 May 2004 19:28:24 GMT, gould0738 RemoveThis @aol.com (Gould 0738) wrote:
>How do you plan to use the boat? Many trawlers have a lot more fuel capacity
>than they need. A boater running 75 hours a year has too much fuel on board
>with 450-500 gallons, yet you run into these situations all the time.
==================================================
The boat has a pair of 500 gallon tanks, both rusted out at the top.
I plan to use the boat way more than 75 hours a year, probably living
aboard and cruising it for 5 or 6 months of the year after I retire.
Long range at a semblance of economy was one of the attractions of the
GB 49 versus a Hatt 53.
There's a ton of information on the web about replacing tanks, and
quite a few different options. Cutting holes and reglassing is not
way up on my list of favorites however. One of the issues now is who
does the repair and when. If I had my druthers I'd like to set up an
escrow account with the sellers $$$s, do the deal, and pay for repairs
with the escrow funds. It may be sticky getting insurance however
with defective tanks on the survey. If I push the deal out waiting
for repairs, there is a big risk of interest rates taking off in a big
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Since: Dec 31, 2003 Posts: 1018
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(Msg. 54) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 4:00 am
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>So...... what is the diameter of a 3 inch rope?
Is this the trick question with the punch line "it doesn't matter what the
diameter is, you can't do much with three inches of rope?"
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Since: Jun 26, 2003 Posts: 149
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(Msg. 55) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 5:18 am
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Also Sprach JAXAshby <jaxashby.TakeThisOut@aol.com>:
>>At least I get to water.
> billy bud, I live on an island in the Atlantic Ocean.
It's not an island. It's a peninsula. The Supreme Court said so,
officially making Whidbey Island, WA the longest island in the country.
Dan
--
I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was
that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those
people.
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Since: Jul 23, 2003 Posts: 930
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(Msg. 56) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:45 am
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"JAXAshby" <jaxashby RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> >At least I get to water.
>
> billy bud, I live on an island in the Atlantic Ocean.
So, you look at the water as you drive over the bridge. If you boated the
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(Msg. 57) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:47 am
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"Gene Kearns" <ewkearns.TakeThisOut@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On 19 May 2004 00:30:41 GMT, jaxashby.TakeThisOut@aol.com (JAXAshby) wrote:
>
> >>It is not a rope on the boat, it is a line, and when it is attached to
the
> >>anchor, it becomes a rode.
> >>Bill
> >
> >In France, they speak French. In Italy, they speak Italian. In
California,
> >they speak cereal (i.e. nuts, fruits and flakes). On Midwest lakes, an
anchor
> >is tied to a boat with a rope.
>
> In the Midwest one can expect the nautical experience of those
> accustomed to a prairie schooner.
>
> Just how much does that "rope" stretch?? It that the same "rope" that
> Roy Rogers uses? Get along little dingy..... yip....yip.....
> yee-haw.... little mushroom anchor....
>
> --
>
>
>
> Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.
>
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Homepage
> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp" target="_blank">http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp</a> Where
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(Msg. 58) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:48 am
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>So...... what is the diameter of a 3 inch rope?
>
>--
1 inch
I can't remember where rope changes from diameter to circumference when
describing....it may be around 1.5 inch dia.
Below 5/8 dia, it was called "small stuff".
<G> Then again, different groups may have different points.
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(Msg. 59) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 7:19 am
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The acutal solution:
The rec.boats posters went into Big Box Marine.
Calif Bill bought ten feet of anchor line
Gould bought ten feet of rope to use for an anchor rode
Jax bought ten feet of rope to use for an anchor rope.
The young clerk on duty got rather confused by it all, and forgot what the
cordage was supposed to sell for.
The clerk charged all three rec.boats posters $10 @.
Before the posters could relocate their argument to the parking lot, the
manager of Big Box Marine asked the clerk about the sale. The clerk said, "I
didn't know what to charge, so they each paid $10."
"That's too much said the manager of Big Box Marine, " {{OK< OK>>>It's a fable
already so give me a break}} "Take $5 out of the till and give it back to
them."
The clerk didn't know how to divide $5 by three, so he took a $2 "tip" and gave
eachof the rec.boaters a $1 refund. Since the cordage originally cost each
poster $10 and they received $1 back, the net cost per poster could be said to
be $9.
Since 9X3 = 27, and the clerk absoconded with $2....what happened to the extra
buck? ($27 + 2 = $29)
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(Msg. 60) Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 11:37 am
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:52:06 -0400, "Gene Kearns"
<ewkearns.RemoveThis@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>In the Midwest one can expect the nautical experience of those
>accustomed to a prairie schooner.
Dunno about that. Somehow, Michigan (part of
the Midwest) has more boats registered than
any other state. At least a few of us have
a bit of boating experience. The Great Lakes
(bordering several Midwestern states, and thus
Midwestern Lakes) have just about everything in
the way of boating pleasures except hurricanes
(we are limited to the occasional tornado and
80 kt straight-line winds) and (noticeable) tides.
You can go in a straight line for several days
out of the sight of land. Not an ocean crossing,
but I bet a lot of salt water cruisers don't
make open ocean crossings either.
My take on nomenclature: rope is the material;
lines (and a few named ropes) are what you
make from rope. Rode is like halyard, sheet,
painter, stay, or shroud: a special name for a
particular application.
Thus you take some rope (and maybe a bit of
chain) to make your anchor rode. Anchor line
is probably acceptable. Reducing precision
of usage dilutes the language. Maybe a lost
cause, but worth fighting for anyway.
On adding chain to the rode: I like to have chain
equal to the weight of the anchor. Unless you
are anchoring in coral or some other abrasive
bottom, six to ten feet is plenty, so you up the
size of the chain to get the weight up. With a
25# danforth, use ten feet of 1/2" chain (overkill
for strength, but about the right weight).
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