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Ree-Yees1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 4:52 pm
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I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se
arch&cmCat=SearchResults

Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved 15-20
yards back out into the lake.

What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?

--C

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I'm not sure what that kind of anchor is for. Maybe for "mooring," but it
doesn't look like anything any serious boater I know uses for conventional
anchoring.

From the library, get a Chapmans or other boating text and read the
anchoring section. There's a lot of "technique" as well as "hardware" to
consider. There are fluke-style anchors (e.g. Danforth, Fortress),
plow-style anchors (e.g. CQR), and Bruce anchors (and facsimiles). And a few
other more specialized types. The technique of "setting" an anchor is a
little different than that of getting it "hold" once it's set.

Using chain? How much? Attached to what kind of line, and how much? How much
do you pay out? What's the bottom like?

Congratulations for keeping a good anchor watch! You're ahead of the curve
by just doing that.

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 > I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se" target="_blank">http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se</a>
 > arch&cmCat=SearchResults
 >
 > Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
 > will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved
15-20
 > yards back out into the lake.
 >
 > What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?
 >
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 7:37 pm
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I would get a Danforth anchor, and stick with rope..
Here's a picture: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.woods-group.co.uk/mooring/danforth_anchor.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.woods-group.co.uk/mooring/danforth_anchor.jpg</a>
Should run you about 100 bucks... we use one on a river with moderate
current, and similar depth, and it never moves...

-j

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 > I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se" target="_blank">http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se</a>
 > arch&cmCat=SearchResults
 >
 > Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
 > will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved
15-20
 > yards back out into the lake.
 >
 > What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?
 >
 > --C
 >
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 11:41 pm
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On Saturday 15 May 2004 7:52 pm in rec.boats Ree-Yees wrote:

 > I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se" target="_blank">http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se</a>
 > arch&cmCat=SearchResults
 >
 > Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
 > will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved
 > 15-20 yards back out into the lake.
 >
 > What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?

15 pounds is a paperweight, only suitable for a rowboat.
OTOH, you may not have a problem, in 20 feet of water you should have
paid out 80 feet of chain (NOT rope) so 15 yards of movement does not
necessarily mean that the anchor has moved if there is a strong current.


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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 11:41 pm
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80 ft of chain for a 19 ft boat. Good Grief! Well that would certainly hold
it, you wouldn't even need an anchor at the end of it.

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 > On Saturday 15 May 2004 7:52 pm in rec.boats Ree-Yees wrote:
 >
  > > I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
  > >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se" target="_blank">http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se</a>
  > > arch&cmCat=SearchResults
  > >
  > > Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the
boat
  > > will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved
  > > 15-20 yards back out into the lake.
  > >
  > > What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?
 >
 > 15 pounds is a paperweight, only suitable for a rowboat.
 > OTOH, you may not have a problem, in 20 feet of water you should have
 > paid out 80 feet of chain (NOT rope) so 15 yards of movement does not
 > necessarily mean that the anchor has moved if there is a strong current.
 >
 >
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 11:53 pm
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"Chris Newport" <me DeleteThis @see-my-sig.invalid> wrote in message
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  > >
  > > What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?
 >
 > 15 pounds is a paperweight, only suitable for a rowboat.
 > OTOH, you may not have a problem, in 20 feet of water you should have
 > paid out 80 feet of chain (NOT rope) so 15 yards of movement does not
 > necessarily mean that the anchor has moved if there is a strong current.
 >

Total, complete nonsense. There are a number of 15 pound anchors that are
perfectly fine for a small boat, even overkill. I've anchored many times with
a small Fortress; may current second anchor is a FX23, which is only 15 pounds.
Although I'm not a fan of Danforth style anchors as the only anchor in high risk
situations (current reversing in the middle of the night near a rocky shore) in
a muddy lake this would be a very secure anchor.

And contrary to some claims, all chain is usually a waste, often counter
productive. For a small boat in protected waters, the minimum chain, perhaps 8
feet, is best. On my last boat I had a small Fortress for a lunch hook, and
tried to use it with no chain, but it was hard to get it to the bottom if there
was a current.

The problem with the OP's anchor is that its designed for fishing off a small
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:21 am
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 >15 pounds is a paperweight, only suitable for a rowboat.
 >OTOH, you may not have a problem, in 20 feet of water you should have
 >paid out 80 feet of chain (NOT rope) so 15 yards of movement does not
 >necessarily mean that the anchor has moved if there is a strong current.
 >

even in a Midwest prarrie lake?

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:22 am
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 > you should have
 >paid out 80 feet of chain

on a Sea-Ray 19 footer?

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that is an anchor for muddy rivers and lakes. It is the PREFERRED anchor for
muddy rivers and lakes on boats just stopped to do a little fishing.

Don't let anyone talk you into some anchor/chain/12 to 1 scope monstrosity
better suited to anchoring on a coral reef.

what you have preferred for the waters that boat used in prior, and probably
the waters you intend to use the boat in now.

 >I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
 >http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=se
 >arch&cmCat=SearchResults
 >
 >Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the boat
 >will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved 15-20
 >yards back out into the lake.
 >
 >What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?
 >
 >--C
 >
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:28 am
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Im anchoring in J Percy Priest lake in tennesse, it is a muddy lake.

The people before me said they only used the anchor twice, so I would assume
they just had it for the heck of it. However, me and my family like to
anchor down for an hour to do some fishing or swimming.

I have been looking up some anchoring information and it appears that I have
been going about it all wrong and with this garbage anchor. All the other
boats that I see anchored are just dropping them over the side to the bottom
and ting it up. So that is what I have done.

I realize now that I am supposed to be giving it a bit of slack to make like
a 45 degree angle with my anchor! That danforth anchor looks pretty cool. I
have seen some like that for about $30 at bass pro so I might test one of
those out too.

There sure is alot to learn about boats. Sure sucks some money away too!

Thanks guys,
--C

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 > that is an anchor for muddy rivers and lakes. It is the PREFERRED anchor
for
 > muddy rivers and lakes on boats just stopped to do a little fishing.
 >
 > Don't let anyone talk you into some anchor/chain/12 to 1 scope monstrosity
 > better suited to anchoring on a coral reef.
 >
 > what you have preferred for the waters that boat used in prior, and
probably
 > the waters you intend to use the boat in now.
 >
  > >I have an anchor (came with the used boat) that looks like this:
 >
 >http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=45253&hvarTarget=s
e
  > >arch&cmCat=SearchResults
  > >
  > >Mine is probably 15 pounds. When I anchor in 15-20 feet of water the
boat
  > >will slowly still move away. After about 30 minutes I will have moved
15-20
  > >yards back out into the lake.
  > >
  > >What style of anchor do I need for a 19 foot sea ray?
  > >
  > >--C
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:44 am
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 16:02:43 -0400, "Charles T. Low"
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 >I'm not sure what that kind of anchor is for. Maybe for "mooring," but it
 >doesn't look like anything any serious boater I know uses for conventional
 >anchoring.

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It's a modified mushroom anchor. They've been around for years and
are perfectly suitable for anchoing small boats in soft bottoms and
protected conditions.

For a 19 foot boat I'd recommend something like a 9 pound Danforth
anchor with 6 feet of 1/4 chain and a 3/8ths nylon rode. As long as
the anchor is well set , and you let out sufficient scope, you could
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 18:02:19 -0500, "Ree-Yees"
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 >That danforth anchor looks pretty cool. I
 >have seen some like that for about $30 at bass pro so I might test one of
 >those out too.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 10:26 am
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The kind of "anchoring" (not "__anchor__") you're describing is sometimes
called using a "lunch hook." In other words, you're not expecting heavy
conditions, you're not staying very long, and most importantly you have your
bearings under constant observation so that you can take corrective action
immediately if the anchor starts to drag.

You may be able to get away with a fairly casual setup for such a lunch
hook. For more serious anchoring, boaters know that anchors work best when
the pull on them is nearly horizontal, which is why the standard advice is
to use a scope of 1:7. If the depth is 3 metres (from the bottom to the
__bow chocks__!) then you let out 21 metres of "rode" (of whatever
material).

However, in crowded inland non-tidal anchorages with a calm forecast, 21
metres of rode gives you a swinging circle of 42 metres, so that's often not
practical. I often sleep overnight with a 4:1 rode, for example, and will
lunch at 3:1 or 2:1.

Using chain on the end of your line helps. Most consider it essential (for
more than "lunching"). It won't abrade through if it chafes on a rock, it
adds weight down near the anchor to help keep the pull closer to horizontal.
I have worried several times if my anchor was properly set in weeds, in a
light wind gusting up to 10 knots, and so snorkelled down to find the chain
not even pulled taut. I was, in fact, holding just on the weight of the
chain. (And I saw a big cruiser drag onto the rocks last year when the wind
freshened and the weight of the chain alone could no longer hold him! His
anchor obviously wasn't well set - mine was!) One rule of thumb is a length
of chain equal to your boat length.

There is some disagreement about whether the standard "7:1" is for an
all-rope rode, or whether using chain reduces it. (I think not.) But the
main thing is: lots of rode in heavy conditions. I exceeded 7:1 when a
gale-force squall line blew through one day, and didn't begrudge one
centimetre of the extra rode I let out.

Then there's the choice of type of anchor, but you can see how much more
there is to it than hardware. I've barely started...

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"Ree-Yees" <ree-yees RemoveThis @allaroundit.com> wrote in message
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 > Im anchoring in J Percy Priest lake in tennesse, it is a muddy lake.
 >
 > The people before me said they only used the anchor twice, so I would
assume
 > they just had it for the heck of it. However, me and my family like to
 > anchor down for an hour to do some fishing or swimming.
 >
 > I have been looking up some anchoring information and it appears that I
have
 > been going about it all wrong and with this garbage anchor. All the other
 > boats that I see anchored are just dropping them over the side to the
bottom
 > and ting it up. So that is what I have done.
 >
 > I realize now that I am supposed to be giving it a bit of slack to make
like
 > a 45 degree angle with my anchor! That danforth anchor looks pretty cool.
I
 > have seen some like that for about $30 at bass pro so I might test one of
 > those out too.
 >
 > There sure is alot to learn about boats. Sure sucks some money away too!
 >
 > Thanks guys,
 > --C<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 2:29 pm
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"Ree-Yees" <ree-yees DeleteThis @allaroundit.com> wrote in message
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 > I realize now that I am supposed to be giving it a bit of slack to make
like
 > a 45 degree angle with my anchor! That danforth anchor looks pretty cool.
I
 > have seen some like that for about $30 at bass pro so I might test one of
 > those out too.
 >
 >

I would be tempted to try a few feet of chain with the achor you have. The
chain will change the abgle of the "bite" on the anchor. Unless you are
looking for an anchor o hold you in place through anything!

I use a anchor simular to a danforth. I am a fair weather boaters so it
works good enough for me, although the boat will drag it some.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 4:07 pm
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 >Danforths make a very good all around anchor for soft or sandy
 >bottoms.

danforths are not normally used in rivers and lakes because rivers and lakes
often have tree stumps, sunken logs and/or other things on which the danforth
points will catch and not come loose. that is why the mushroom anchor is so
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