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Since: Jun 25, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 6:06 am
Post subject: Willow ribs for SOF kayak
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I've looked att he site showing a blue polytarp-covered kayak made with willow
switches for the ribs. This is a Q&D job just for fun. But, all seriousness
aside, why wouldn't willow limbs make good ribs?
Is there a traditional style that uses bent shoots for the ribs? It seems that
one could alternate the butts from starboard to port as you go along, or, since
the ribs are lashed and mortise/tenoned anyway, put a pair of butts each side
at the keelson, with a scarphed, lashed joint in the middle, the skinnier tips
tenoned into the gunnels. Larger willow limbs could do for the deck beams.
I am (obviously) not a kayak builder, but I've had an interest aroused over the
last few weeks for a SOF boat and have been thinking about materials.
OK, let's have it all, flames, references, what have you.
Cheers/The Fader
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:03 pm
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Wiz wrote:
> I've looked att he site showing a blue polytarp-covered kayak made with willow
> switches for the ribs. This is a Q&D job just for fun. But, all seriousness
> aside, why wouldn't willow limbs make good ribs?
They can.
> Is there a traditional style that uses bent shoots for the ribs?
Baidarkas were traditionally built this way.
> It seems that
> one could alternate the butts from starboard to port as you go along, or, since
> the ribs are lashed and mortise/tenoned anyway, put a pair of butts each side
> at the keelson, with a scarphed, lashed joint in the middle, the skinnier tips
> tenoned into the gunnels.
AFAIK, most were done with one-piece ribs. Apparently, the slight taper in the
shoots doesn't make enough difference to warrant the extra complexity of
compensating for it.
> Larger willow limbs could do for the deck beams.
Sure.
> I am (obviously) not a kayak builder, but I've had an interest aroused over the
> last few weeks for a SOF boat and have been thinking about materials.
Well, if you have a good supply of willow and the desire, go for it. Wolfgang
Brinck's book "The Aleutian Kayak" is a good place to start. You might also want to
join the Baidarka email list and start hanging out on the Kayak Building Forum
(www.kayakforum.com) and the Greenland forum at Qajaq USA (www.qajaqusa.org).
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Willow ribs for SOF kayak [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Brian,
Now *there's* a hatful of good information in a small sentence 
Thanks for the references. I'll get them all up.
cheers/Carron
>Well, if you have a good supply of willow and the desire, go for it. Wolfgang
>Brinck's book "The Aleutian Kayak" is a good place to start. You might also
>want to
>join the Baidarka email list and start hanging out on the Kayak Building
>Forum
>(www.kayakforum.com) and the Greenland forum at Qajaq USA (www.qajaqusa.org).
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:51 pm
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toobwiz.TakeThisOut@aol.comSPAMKILL (Wiz) wrote in message news:<20030703065131.15661.00000060.TakeThisOut@mb-m06.aol.com>...
> Brian,
>
> Now *there's* a hatful of good information in a small sentence
>
> Thanks for the references. I'll get them all up.
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> cheers/Carron
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> >Well, if you have a good supply of willow and the desire, go for it. Wolfgang
> >Brinck's book "The Aleutian Kayak" is a good place to start. You might also
> >want to
> >join the Baidarka email list and start hanging out on the Kayak Building
> >Forum
> >(www.kayakforum.com) and the Greenland forum at Qajaq USA (www.qajaqusa.org).
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>
>
>
> "LABOR SVGIT"
I agree, just build the thing and try. What could it cost?? 10 bucks
for a tarp and 5 more for lashings... Of course you could soak strips
of the switches and lash the whole thing with willow strips too! Post
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 4:14 pm
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the best ribs bend when building but not when paddling
Wiz (toobwiz@aol.comSPAMKILL) writes:
> I've looked att he site showing a blue polytarp-covered kayak made with willow
> switches for the ribs. This is a Q&D job just for fun. But, all seriousness
> aside, why wouldn't willow limbs make good ribs?
>
> Is there a traditional style that uses bent shoots for the ribs? It seems that
> one could alternate the butts from starboard to port as you go along, or, since
> the ribs are lashed and mortise/tenoned anyway, put a pair of butts each side
> at the keelson, with a scarphed, lashed joint in the middle, the skinnier tips
> tenoned into the gunnels. Larger willow limbs could do for the deck beams.
>
> I am (obviously) not a kayak builder, but I've had an interest aroused over the
> last few weeks for a SOF boat and have been thinking about materials.
>
> OK, let's have it all, flames, references, what have you.
>
> Cheers/The Fader
> "LABOR SVGIT"
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 4:53 pm
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Brian,
Amazon lists this book *used* for US$95. I don't think I'll be buying *that*
one
Cheers/Carron
>Wolfgang
>Brinck's book "The Aleutian Kayak" is a good place to start.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:40 pm
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Wiz wrote:
> Brian,
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> Amazon lists this book *used* for US$95. I don't think I'll be buying *that*
> one
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> Cheers/Carron
Look around at used book stores and "Buck a book" stores. You'll find an
inexpensive copy eventually. There are gougers on Amazon and Ebay who are trying
to make a killing on this book, but you can avoid them with a little effort..
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