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Randy Hodges

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:03 am
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Our new whitewater park just opened on Monday. Wingfield Park in
downtown Reno is on an island in the middle of the Truckee River.
They diverted all of the water into the South channel while they built
a series drops in the North Channel. They have now sent water down
the North Channel and are working on adding seven features to the
South Channel.

The North Channel has four drops with various play features. Nice
stuff. Here is a link to pictures and a short video.

http://www.rgj.com/multimedia/galleries/html/2003/09/262/


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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:06 pm
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Randy,

I'm not from the Reno area, but I often have business that takes me
there. How does one find out if the whitewater parks is open or is it
open year around? Is there a local telephone number or an Intenet
site that can give me a current status on access and water level?

Thanks,
Bobo
randallh DeleteThis @sonic.net (Randy Hodges) wrote in message news:<3b41c027.0309240703.574d9432 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...
 > Our new whitewater park just opened on Monday. Wingfield Park in
 > downtown Reno is on an island in the middle of the Truckee River.
 > They diverted all of the water into the South channel while they built
 > a series drops in the North Channel. They have now sent water down
 > the North Channel and are working on adding seven features to the
 > South Channel.
 >
 > The North Channel has four drops with various play features. Nice
 > stuff. Here is a link to pictures and a short video.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.rgj.com/multimedia/galleries/html/2003/09/262/</font" target="_blank">http://www.rgj.com/multimedia/galleries/html/2003/09/262/</font</a>>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:04 am
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It's open year round. With this warm weather people have been in the water as late at 10:00 in the evening.

Bobo wrote:

 > Randy,
 >
 > I'm not from the Reno area, but I often have business that takes me
 > there. How does one find out if the whitewater parks is open or is it
 > open year around? Is there a local telephone number or an Intenet
 > site that can give me a current status on access and water level?
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Bobo
 > randallh.TakeThisOut@sonic.net (Randy Hodges) wrote in message news:<3b41c027.0309240703.574d9432.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
  > > Our new whitewater park just opened on Monday. Wingfield Park in
  > > downtown Reno is on an island in the middle of the Truckee River.
  > > They diverted all of the water into the South channel while they built
  > > a series drops in the North Channel. They have now sent water down
  > > the North Channel and are working on adding seven features to the
  > > South Channel.
  > >
  > > The North Channel has four drops with various play features. Nice
  > > stuff. Here is a link to pictures and a short video.
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.rgj.com/multimedia/galleries/html/2003/09/262/</font" target="_blank">http://www.rgj.com/multimedia/galleries/html/2003/09/262/</font</a>>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:47 pm
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In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree :
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man

Now we paddlers have taken to creating our own pleasure domes though
this time it is not the marvellous sex that Coleridge wrote about in his
poem but we want to alter rivers to make our own play parks.

Where is kayaking heading? We have got to the stage where we are
building waves specifically for freestyle events next we will have the
rapid covered to keep the rain out and the heat in. Even if it does not
go that far will it get to the stage where river runs will be altered to
make sure the gradient drop on the run is used efficiently and the drops
are bundled together to make descent play waves rather than waste the
gradient on riffles and gravel bars and holes are made safe so as not
recirculate the unfortunate swimmer undercuts and syphons will be
blasted out to 'improve' runs. Tidy up nature she got it wrong (and make
sure the car parks at the put in and take out big enough).

There was I time when as a paddler you could have a superior attitude to
the sierra club members in that we did not leave footprints when we took
the photos!

Here's the poem just because it is so good!

In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree :
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round :
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree ;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
But oh ! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover !
A savage place ! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover !
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
A mighty fountain momently was forced :
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail :
And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river.
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean :
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war !

The shadow of the dome of pleasure
Floated midway on the waves ;
Where was heard the mingled measure
From the fountain and the caves.

It was a miracle of rare device,
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice !
A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw :
It was an Abyssinian maid,
And on her dulcimer she played,
Singing of Mount Abora.
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song,
To such a deep delight 'twould win me,

That with music loud and long,
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome ! those caves of ice !
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware ! Beware !
His flashing eyes, his floating hair !
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:54 am
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Dave Manby (dave@dmanby.demon.co.uk) writes:

 > Where is kayaking heading? We have got to the stage where we are
 > building waves specifically for freestyle events next we will have the
 > rapid covered to keep the rain out and the heat in.

Not to mention keeping out nasty territorial attack geese and
biting-stinging insects. Where they are going is called "virtual reality",
Fantasyland for paddlers brought to you by Disney Corp., water slides for
kayaks. No birdwatching. No nature photography. Buy your photos at the
souvenir counter. Get your photo taken with a DisneyCorp certified
paddling instructor. Its paddle their way or the highway.


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:21 am
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Dave Manby <dave.TakeThisOut@dmanby.demon.co.uk> wrote:
 >
 > Where is kayaking heading? We have got to the stage where we are
 > building waves specifically for freestyle events next we will have the
 > rapid covered to keep the rain out and the heat in. Even if it does not
 > go that far will it get to the stage where river runs will be altered to
 > make sure the gradient drop on the run is used efficiently and the drops
 > are bundled together to make descent play waves rather than waste the
 > gradient on riffles and gravel bars and holes are made safe so as not
 > recirculate the unfortunate swimmer undercuts and syphons will be
 > blasted out to 'improve' runs. Tidy up nature she got it wrong (and make
 > sure the car parks at the put in and take out big enough).
 >

Dave,

I don't totally disagree with your sentiment. Leave nature alone!
You really can't improve it. On the Other Hand, the new round of
whitewater parks, such as the one I am most familiar with in Reno
Nevada, are NOT impacting nature. They are in URBAN areas. In our
case, the river in this section had been chanelized, confined between
two vertical cement walls. A low-head dam was also removed. The
Whitewater Park isn't nature but it certianly is closer than what you
find in most urban rivers.

Another thought is that one of the effects of these parks is to
concetrate river use in a small area. The effect is, perhaps, to
lessen the impact on our wilderness runs.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:35 am
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bobowilliams77.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Bobo) wrote in message news:<dfaa255d.0309271906.2b830b65.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
 > Randy,
 >
 > I'm not from the Reno area, but I often have business that takes me
 > there. How does one find out if the whitewater parks is open or is it
 > open year around? Is there a local telephone number or an Intenet
 > site that can give me a current status on access and water level?
 >

Bobo,

The Whitewater park is open all year long. It really isn't controlled
in any way. It is just there. Show-up whenever you want and use it.
Some people have been on it after dark.

The best flow site is probably
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ca/nwis/uv/?format=img&site_no=10346000&period=4&PARAmeter_cd=00060" target="_blank">http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ca/nwis/uv/?format=img&site_no=10346000&peri...4&PARAm</a>

That will give you the flow a dozen miles up stream. The flow at the
park will be 80-90% of that.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:15 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 1:44 pm
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William R. Watt posted:

 >Dave Manby (dave@dmanby.demon.co.uk) writes:
 >
  >> Where is kayaking heading? We have got to the stage where we are
  >> building waves specifically for freestyle events next we will have the
  >> rapid covered to keep the rain out and the heat in.
 >
 >Not to mention keeping out nasty territorial attack geese and
 >biting-stinging insects. Where they are going is called "virtual reality",
 >Fantasyland for paddlers brought to you by Disney Corp., water slides for
 >kayaks. No birdwatching. No nature photography. Buy your photos at the
 >souvenir counter. Get your photo taken with a DisneyCorp certified
 >paddling instructor. Its paddle their way or the highway.
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Nearly every river in the continental US has been ruined, or modified (somewhat
ruined) by industry and "progress". Reclaiming a few of those waterways for the
public good is a worthy goal. A good example would be a the Milltown Dam in
Missoula MT; An obsolete and worthless dam. Could be a fine whtewater park that
would serve the public for generations. Another good site is in Minneapolis MN;
the old dam at St Anthony Falls. Don't know if these projects will ever happen,
but they'd be a hell of a lot better than what's there now. And, next time I
get through Reno, something to do besides piss away my money at the casinos.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:06 pm
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Speaking of Nevada rivers, do any know anyone who has paddled
all or parts of the Humboldt river in eastern Nevada?

Every time we drive by on the way from California to Idaho,
we make jokes about canoeing it, but I'm wondering if anybody
has actually undertaken an expedition.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 4:32 pm
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Hi ya, looking for more info on the park. Anyone been there? Where do you
put in? Is there an outfitter nearby? Any info would be helpful. Thanks,
Kim
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 4:34 pm
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grnflea RemoveThis @aol.com (Grnflea) wrote in message news:<20031001093251.21542.00000101 RemoveThis @mb-m02.aol.com>...
 > Hi ya, looking for more info on the park. Anyone been there? Where do you
 > put in? Is there an outfitter nearby? Any info would be helpful. Thanks,
 > Kim

Kim,

I live in Reno and have been there twice. The park is right downtown - at
WingField Park where Arlington Avenue crosses the river. There are a lot of
free and parking meter "2 hour parking" spaces near. There is a paid
full-day lot about a block away.

There are numerous and obvious put-ins. Construction is still occuring on
the northern branch of the park so part of the access is currently blocked.
It will be all open sometime in November.

There are a couple of Kayak dealers in town. The only one I have delt with
is "Reno Mountain Sports" (http://www.renomountainsports.com/ ). I know
that they will rent equipment.

The current course has four drops with waves and holes. The people with
extremely short freestyle boats are having a blast. Those of us with older
boats are still able to surf, stern squirt, ender, etc...


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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:12 pm
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The park is in Downtown Reno. From HWY 80 take Virginia Street south through
the downtown area. When you cross the river ( about 1/4 mile from 80look to the
right. You can't miss it. Find a place to park, get out and paddle.

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 > put in? Is there an outfitter nearby? Any info would be helpful. Thanks,
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:29 pm
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Dave Manby wrote:
 >
 > Where is kayaking heading? We have got to the stage where we are
 > building waves specifically for freestyle events next we will have the
 > rapid covered to keep the rain out and the heat in. Even if it does not
 > go that far will it get to the stage where river runs will be altered to
 > make sure the gradient drop on the run is used efficiently and the drops
 > are bundled together to make descent play waves rather than waste the
 > gradient on riffles and gravel bars and holes are made safe so as not
 > recirculate the unfortunate swimmer undercuts and syphons will be
 > blasted out to 'improve' runs. Tidy up nature she got it wrong (and make
 > sure the car parks at the put in and take out big enough).

Although I can understand where your concern comes from, I don't see the
future that bleak. Sure, I know of several rivers that have had rapids
blasted (usually by rafting companies), and I know a bunch of artificial
slalom channels, some of which I frequent.

When it comes to the slalom channels, they are usually located in areas
where the river has been regulated extensively. Near a dam, lock or
sluice, where the gradient has been turned by man's interference into
two stretches of almost flat water. In that case, I don't see any
problems with a slalom course being put next to such a man-made river
obstacle.

As for turning dangerous rapids into a pile of rubble, I hate that
approach. There are a lot of rivers that aren't paddled regularly just
because they contain one or more really tricky spots (siphons and such).
Those rivers therefore see less paddlers, which helps to keep them
relatively nice and clean. You can paddle them if you're a good enough
paddler of if don't mind portaging quite a bit.

On the other hand, I don't have problems with small openings being cut
through strainers to create a possible way through rapids that got
clogged with trees after a recent rainfall. An example of this was
recently posted on Soulboater.com:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.soulboater.com/soulboater2/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=390" target="_blank">http://www.soulboater.com/soulboater2/html/modules.php?op=modload&name...ws&file</a>

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Dave Manby <dave.TakeThisOut@dmanby.demon.co.uk> typed:

 > In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
 > A stately pleasure-dome decree :
 > Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
 > Through caverns measureless to man
 >
 > Now we paddlers have taken to creating our own pleasure domes though
 > this time it is not the marvellous sex that Coleridge wrote about in his
 > poem but we want to alter rivers to make our own play parks.
 >
 > Where is kayaking heading? We have got to the stage where we are
 > building waves specifically for freestyle events next we will have the
 > rapid covered to keep the rain out and the heat in.
 >
 > [snip]

I have been disturbed by the trend to commercialize paddling over the
last decade. Here in North America, Eric Jackson and Coran Addison
have been at the forefront of the effort to fund paddling
"professionals", and I have never liked the concept.

Part of the reason is that they want to grow the number of boaters to
increase the market for their products. For the rest of us, this
means more crowded rivers, among other things. I am always ready to
help and encourage a newbie in the sport, but I would just as soon
limit that to those who find their own way in, not the posers who are
sucked in by an X-Games broadcast.

Last weekend I was with a party from the Winston-Salem/Greensboro area
of North Carolina on the Tuckaseegee River. We pulled out at a beach
below the best surfing spot on the river, at what I am told is the
traditional lunch and potty stop. But this weekend no one could go
into the woods to take care of personal maters, because there were
newly-posted No Trespassing signs. Seems a new owner had taken
possession in the last year. Barry Kennon, pro C-Boater. Posting his
land against paddlers. We learned the identity of the new owner from
a crew of young Kennon groupies who were out there moving rocks around
in the river bed to make the rapid more interesting so they could hang
gates (we didn't ask if Kennon intended to get permission from the
owner of the land on the opposite bank, to string cables from his
trees). They had built a significant cobble dam on river left to
channelize the flow. I wonder if Barry Kennon sports an anti-dam
sticker on his vehicle?

Something similar happened on the Nantahala River a few years ago,
when rodeo boaters rearranged Quarry Rapid to create a rodeo hole
where the entire river threads a steep narrow sluiceway ... to the
detriment of the thousands of Class II paddlers who flock to the
Nantahala every year.

What else has changed? I used to think of the Nantahala Outdoor
Center as the paddlers' Mecca. Now I think of it as Walmart On the
River, though many of the employess still are kind and generous
boaters who are helpful to any boater of any skill level. But how
'bout the acquisition of Dagger and Perception by Watermark? Dagger
and NOC were founded as labors of love by boaters. Now NOC seems to
me to be an unfeeling profit-driven enterprise, and Dagger, founded as
a canoe maker, has stopped making open canoes. I don't think they
LOST money on open-boat manufacture; the profit margin was just not
enough for them. Meanwhile, over at Perception, the real boaters have
bailed out and started Liquid Logic.

Somehow, these corporate sponsorships, bottom-line manufacturing,
big-money competitions, recruitment-oriented river festivals, all seem
to me to dragging the sport into an ugly place.

Yeh, some young friends of mine are pro rodeo boaters. Yeh, I respect
the David Browns, Bob Footes, Ken Kasdorfs who scratch out a living as
instructors and expedition guides. But I really think the volunteer
organizations like American Whitewater (preferably without corporate
entanglements), and club-based instruction and safety programs, are
the direction our sport should be taking. How old-school is that?

On the up-side, if you build a rodeo hole in an already-trashed urban
stretch of river (the rodeo dudes need convenience, eh?) it will keep
the squids all concentrated in one place where they won't trash up
pristine mountain rivers.


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