More on Vista.........

On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > A chink in the armor apperars.
>
> >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>
> > -W
>
> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
> first time, you should have no problems.
>
> Just some observations.

We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
candle, and chant.
The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
as the XP it is supposed to replace.

Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
to get proven, reliable technology.
 >> Stay informed about: More on Vista......... 

On Apr 20, 9:02?am, Harry Krause <harry.kra... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Chuck Gould wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>> A chink in the armor apperars.
> >>>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
> >>> -W
> >> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
> >> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
> >> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
> >> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
> >> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
> >> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
> >> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
> >> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
> >> first time, you should have no problems.
>
> >> Just some observations.
>
> > We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
> > without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
> > candle, and chant.
> > The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
> > characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
> > as the XP it is supposed to replace.
>
> > Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
> > compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
> > impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
> > out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
> > again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
> > to get proven, reliable technology.
>
> Chuck, you ought to writing about subjects you know you don't know
> anything about. Your computer OS ramblings are embarrassing.
>

I know quite a bit about the impression that VISTA is making on the
general, computer consuming public. I are one.

Like I said, most of us just expect stuff to work without having to
select "compatability" choices, unload other installed on the same
computer, etc.
 >> Stay informed about: More on Vista......... 

Chuck Gould wrote:
> On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a... RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A chink in the armor apperars.
>>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>>> -W
>> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
>> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
>> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
>> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
>> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
>> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
>> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
>> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
>> first time, you should have no problems.
>>
>> Just some observations.
>
> We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
> without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
> candle, and chant.
> The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
> characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
> as the XP it is supposed to replace.
>
> Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
> compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
> impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
> out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
> again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
> to get proven, reliable technology.
>


Chuck, you ought to writing about subjects you know you don't know
anything about. Your computer OS ramblings are embarrassing.

"...without first ironing out all of the bugs."

Making a new file is NOT a bizarre workaround.

No contemporary OS with which I am familiar has "all" its bugs ironed.
 >> Stay informed about: More on Vista......... 

Chuck Gould wrote:
> On Apr 20, 9:02?am, Harry Krause <harry.kra....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chuck Gould wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a....DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> A chink in the armor apperars.
>>>>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>>>>> -W
>>>> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
>>>> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
>>>> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
>>>> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
>>>> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
>>>> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
>>>> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
>>>> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
>>>> first time, you should have no problems.
>>>> Just some observations.
>>> We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
>>> without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
>>> candle, and chant.
>>> The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
>>> characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
>>> as the XP it is supposed to replace.
>>> Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
>>> compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
>>> impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
>>> out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
>>> again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
>>> to get proven, reliable technology.
>> Chuck, you ought to be writing about subjects you know you don't know
>> anything about. Your computer OS ramblings are embarrassing.
>>
>
> I know quite a bit about the impression that VISTA is making on the
> general, computer consuming public. I are one.
>
> Like I said, most of us just expect stuff to work without having to
> select "compatability" choices, unload other installed on the same
> computer, etc.
>


Every time MS comes out with a new version of Windoze, there are
"compatibility" issues. VISTA is no different.
 >> Stay informed about: More on Vista......... 

"Harry Krause" <harry.krause RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:58s9ieF2iv6e2U1@mid.individual.net...
> Chuck Gould wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 9:02?am, Harry Krause <harry.kra... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chuck Gould wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a... RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> A chink in the armor apperars.
>>>>>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>>>>>> -W
>>>>> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
>>>>> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
>>>>> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
>>>>> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
>>>>> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
>>>>> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
>>>>> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
>>>>> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
>>>>> first time, you should have no problems.
>>>>> Just some observations.
>>>> We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
>>>> without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
>>>> candle, and chant.
>>>> The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
>>>> characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
>>>> as the XP it is supposed to replace.
>>>> Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
>>>> compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
>>>> impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
>>>> out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
>>>> again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
>>>> to get proven, reliable technology.
>>> Chuck, you ought to be writing about subjects you know you don't know
>>> anything about. Your computer OS ramblings are embarrassing.
>>>
>>
>> I know quite a bit about the impression that VISTA is making on the
>> general, computer consuming public. I are one.
>>
>> Like I said, most of us just expect stuff to work without having to
>> select "compatability" choices, unload other installed on the same
>> computer, etc.
>>
>
>
> Every time MS comes out with a new version of Windoze, there are
> "compatibility" issues. VISTA is no different.

I use to use compatibility mode in Windows 3.1 to run my old DOS programs.
I guess MS should have stopped wirth DOS 11. I don't ever recall using
compatibility mode when a new version of DOS came out. This must be the
test of a true OS...weather it requires compatibility mode to run older
sofdtware.

Nate (heavy tone of sarcasim injected)
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Chuck Gould wrote:
> On Apr 20, 9:02?am, Harry Krause <harry.kra... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chuck Gould wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> A chink in the armor apperars.
>>>>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>>>>> -W
>>>> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
>>>> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
>>>> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
>>>> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
>>>> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
>>>> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
>>>> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
>>>> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
>>>> first time, you should have no problems.
>>>> Just some observations.
>>> We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
>>> without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
>>> candle, and chant.
>>> The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
>>> characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
>>> as the XP it is supposed to replace.
>>> Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
>>> compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
>>> impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
>>> out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
>>> again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
>>> to get proven, reliable technology.
>> Chuck, you ought to writing about subjects you know you don't know
>> anything about. Your computer OS ramblings are embarrassing.
>>
>
> I know quite a bit about the impression that VISTA is making on the
> general, computer consuming public. I are one.
>
> Like I said, most of us just expect stuff to work without having to
> select "compatability" choices, unload other installed on the same
> computer, etc.

Use the green candle?

You need to use the red candle.
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
> Chuck Gould wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 9:02?am, Harry Krause <harry.kra....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chuck Gould wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a....TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> A chink in the armor apperars.
>>>>>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>>>>>> -W
>>>>> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
>>>>> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
>>>>> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
>>>>> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
>>>>> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
>>>>> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
>>>>> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
>>>>> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
>>>>> first time, you should have no problems.
>>>>> Just some observations.
>>>> We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
>>>> without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
>>>> candle, and chant.
>>>> The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
>>>> characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
>>>> as the XP it is supposed to replace.
>>>> Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
>>>> compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
>>>> impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
>>>> out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
>>>> again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
>>>> to get proven, reliable technology.
>>> Chuck, you ought to writing about subjects you know you don't know
>>> anything about. Your computer OS ramblings are embarrassing.
>>>
>>
>> I know quite a bit about the impression that VISTA is making on the
>> general, computer consuming public. I are one.
>>
>> Like I said, most of us just expect stuff to work without having to
>> select "compatability" choices, unload other installed on the same
>> computer, etc.
>
> Use the green candle?
>
> You need to use the red candle.


I'm not sure I want to ask Chuck if they'll both fit up there at the
same time.

You ask.
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>>Every time MS comes out with a new version of Windoze, there are
"compatibility" issues. VISTA is no different.<<

You may be right. I tested XP as well, and could not load that sucker on my
machines fast enough when it went RTM. Vista was a whole different
experience... to me and many other testers.

I'm glad to hear that you aren't having any problems.

--Mike

"Harry Krause" <harry.krause.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:58s9ieF2iv6e2U1@mid.individual.net...
> Chuck Gould wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 9:02?am, Harry Krause <harry.kra....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chuck Gould wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a....TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> A chink in the armor apperars.
>>>>>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>>>>>> -W
>>>>> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
>>>>> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
>>>>> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
>>>>> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
>>>>> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
>>>>> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
>>>>> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
>>>>> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
>>>>> first time, you should have no problems.
>>>>> Just some observations.
>>>> We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
>>>> without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
>>>> candle, and chant.
>>>> The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
>>>> characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
>>>> as the XP it is supposed to replace.
>>>> Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
>>>> compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
>>>> impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
>>>> out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
>>>> again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
>>>> to get proven, reliable technology.
>>> Chuck, you ought to be writing about subjects you know you don't know
>>> anything about. Your computer OS ramblings are embarrassing.
>>>
>>
>> I know quite a bit about the impression that VISTA is making on the
>> general, computer consuming public. I are one.
>>
>> Like I said, most of us just expect stuff to work without having to
>> select "compatability" choices, unload other installed on the same
>> computer, etc.
>>
>
>
> Every time MS comes out with a new version of Windoze, there are
> "compatibility" issues. VISTA is no different.
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"Mike" <Mike DeleteThis @csi.com> wrote in message news:yyaWh.17347

> You may be right. I tested XP as well, and could not load that sucker on
my
> machines fast enough when it went RTM. Vista was a whole different
> experience... to me and many other testers.

XP impressed the hell out of me too....... Vista, not so much.

-W
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"Harry Krause" <harry.krause.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:58s6fnF2h50orU1@mid.individual.net...
> Chuck Gould wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a....DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A chink in the armor apperars.
>>>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>>>> -W
>>> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
>>> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
>>> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
>>> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
>>> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
>>> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
>>> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
>>> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
>>> first time, you should have no problems.
>>>
>>> Just some observations.
>>
>> We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
>> without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
>> candle, and chant.
>> The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
>> characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
>> as the XP it is supposed to replace.
>>
>> Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
>> compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
>> impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
>> out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
>> again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
>> to get proven, reliable technology.
>>
>
>
> Chuck, you ought to writing about subjects you know you don't know
> anything about. Your computer OS ramblings are embarrassing.
>
> "...without first ironing out all of the bugs."
>
> Making a new file is NOT a bizarre workaround.
>
> No contemporary OS with which I am familiar has "all" its bugs ironed.
>

Making a new file is a bizarre work around. When I supplied end user
software I was expected to install and load without any extra required from
the operator other than agree to the terms and what directory to install in
or to change the directory if they wanted. If DEC or IBM brought out a new
OS, the old program installed and ran. It is not that hard to allow dynamic
link libs to work with a new OS. And that is all a driver is.
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <REMOVEinfoREMOVE.DeleteThis@REMOVEswsports.org> wrote in
message news:427Wh.318190$8_1.234598@fe05.news.easynews.com...
> Chuck Gould wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 9:02?am, Harry Krause <harry.kra....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chuck Gould wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 7:24?am, justwaitafrekinmin....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 20, 12:28 am, "Clams Canino" <a....DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> A chink in the armor apperars.
>>>>>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>>>>>> -W
>>>>> So I could not even get Microsoft Money to install on my vista machine
>>>>> (Toshiba Sattelite, Vista home premium). The autorun would not even
>>>>> start. Had to remove Microsoft Money Essentials (worthless teaser
>>>>> software) to get 06 to even install. Then could not sign in. While
>>>>> trying to sign in it would just stop the program and tell me it was
>>>>> looking for a solution, right. Anyway, if you have this problem, go to
>>>>> the sign in screen and click on the upper left where it says file, and
>>>>> make a new file, this solved the problem. Once you are signed in the
>>>>> first time, you should have no problems.
>>>>> Just some observations.
>>>> We non-technogeeks are pretty spoiled. We just expect stuff to work
>>>> without requiring the operator to stand on one foot, light a red
>>>> candle, and chant.
>>>> The availability of complex work-arounds for the more bizarre
>>>> characteristics of VISTA still doesn't make the system as functional
>>>> as the XP it is supposed to replace.
>>>> Aside from the fact that some of the most popular nav software isn't
>>>> compatible with VISTA, (at least not yet), there is some basis for an
>>>> impression that MS rushed this product to market without first ironing
>>>> out all of the bugs. At least with Dell offering the XP machines once
>>>> again, boaters ready to replace a navigation computer have an option
>>>> to get proven, reliable technology.
>>> Chuck, you ought to writing about subjects you know you don't know
>>> anything about. Your computer OS ramblings are embarrassing.
>>>
>>
>> I know quite a bit about the impression that VISTA is making on the
>> general, computer consuming public. I are one.
>>
>> Like I said, most of us just expect stuff to work without having to
>> select "compatability" choices, unload other installed on the same
>> computer, etc.
>
> Use the green candle?
>
> You need to use the red candle. Red on the left, Green on the right side
> of the computer. Same as the boat and if you're going up river. Which it
> seems as if Vista is causing you to go against the current.
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Clams Canino wrote:
> A chink in the armor apperars.
>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
>
> -W
>
>
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What are you trying to add??

-W

"Fredo" <Fredo.DeleteThis@indyracecar.com> wrote in message
news:462ab061$0$5728$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Clams Canino wrote:
> > A chink in the armor apperars.
> >
> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Dell_XP.html
> >
> > -W
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