UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels

Hi Jacques

You are right. I meant planks, but got the subject title wrong.

Interestingly enough, your Vagabond 23 is my primary interest at the
moment, and probably the boat that I will go for. The build will have
to wait until after Christmas to allow the weather to warm a little as
I will be building primarily outside within a small covered area.

My interest was momentarily grabbed by the thought of fiberglass
planks, but if there is no supplier in the UK, I will rule this out on
cost grounds.

Many thanks,
Mark

"Jacques Mertens" <jojo.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message news:<V9F7b.1786$j82.673@bignews4.bellsouth.net>...
 > Could that be C-Flex? I don't think they use panels.
 > For C-Flex, find a company named Seamann. They have an agent in Holland,
 > don't know about the UK.
 >
 > --
 > Jacques
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bateau.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.bateau.com</font</a>>
 >
 > "Mark" <Mark.DeleteThis@mark-pate.uklinux.net> wrote in message
 > news:f87791ee.0309100300.15afbba@posting.google.com...
  > > Hello,
  > >
  > > I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and
  > > perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to
  > > use prior to ordering plans.
  > >
  > > Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done
  > > this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting
  > > challenge), but recently I have been looking at the
  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.glen-l.com/" target="_blank">http://www.glen-l.com/</a> website where many of their plans require the
  > > craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this
  > > method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking
  > > in the UK?
  > >
  > > Many thanks,
  > > Mark<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels 

That is a coincidence but here is another one: we are working on a foam
sandwich version of the VG23.
Already, as designed you could build her that way but I am working on a set
of scantlings.

--
Jacques
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"Mark" <Mark RemoveThis @mark-pate.uklinux.net> wrote in message
news:f87791ee.0309100903.2d2a6942@posting.google.com...
 > Hi Jacques
 >
 > You are right. I meant planks, but got the subject title wrong.
 >
 > Interestingly enough, your Vagabond 23 is my primary interest at the
 > moment, and probably the boat that I will go for. The build will have
 > to wait until after Christmas to allow the weather to warm a little as
 > I will be building primarily outside within a small covered area.
 >
 > My interest was momentarily grabbed by the thought of fiberglass
 > planks, but if there is no supplier in the UK, I will rule this out on
 > cost grounds.
 >
 > Many thanks,
 > Mark
 >
 > "Jacques Mertens" <jojo RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
news:<V9F7b.1786$j82.673@bignews4.bellsouth.net>...
  > > Could that be C-Flex? I don't think they use panels.
  > > For C-Flex, find a company named Seamann. They have an agent in Holland,
  > > don't know about the UK.
  > >
  > > --
  > > Jacques
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bateau.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.bateau.com</font</a>>
  > >
  > > "Mark" <Mark RemoveThis @mark-pate.uklinux.net> wrote in message
  > > news:f87791ee.0309100300.15afbba@posting.google.com...
   > > > Hello,
   > > >
   > > > I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and
   > > > perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to
   > > > use prior to ordering plans.
   > > >
   > > > Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done
   > > > this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting
   > > > challenge), but recently I have been looking at the
   > > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.glen-l.com/" target="_blank">http://www.glen-l.com/</a> website where many of their plans require the
   > > > craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this
   > > > method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking
   > > > in the UK?
   > > >
   > > > Many thanks,
   > > > Mark<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels 

Excellent. I've not yet looked into foam sandwich - but it is
something that I would consider.

Time for some more research, I think.

Many thanks,
Mark

"Jacques Mertens" <jojo.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message news:<GdL7b.7532$D82.3874@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
 > That is a coincidence but here is another one: we are working on a foam
 > sandwich version of the VG23.
 > Already, as designed you could build her that way but I am working on a set
 > of scantlings.
 >
 > --
 > Jacques
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bateau.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.bateau.com</font</a>>
 >
 >
 > "Mark" <Mark.RemoveThis@mark-pate.uklinux.net> wrote in message
 > news:f87791ee.0309100903.2d2a6942@posting.google.com...
  > > Hi Jacques
  > >
  > > You are right. I meant planks, but got the subject title wrong.
  > >
  > > Interestingly enough, your Vagabond 23 is my primary interest at the
  > > moment, and probably the boat that I will go for. The build will have
  > > to wait until after Christmas to allow the weather to warm a little as
  > > I will be building primarily outside within a small covered area.
  > >
  > > My interest was momentarily grabbed by the thought of fiberglass
  > > planks, but if there is no supplier in the UK, I will rule this out on
  > > cost grounds.
  > >
  > > Many thanks,
  > > Mark
  > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels 

Mark wrote:
 >
 > Hello,
 >
 > I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and
 > perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to
 > use prior to ordering plans.
 >
 > Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done
 > this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting
 > challenge), but recently I have been looking at the
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.glen-l.com/" target="_blank">http://www.glen-l.com/</a> website where many of their plans require the
 > craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this
 > method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking
 > in the UK?
 >
 > Many thanks,
 > Mark

Usually fabricated in situ, I believe,

As I recall, a frame kit, some c-flex foam tacked on and some
delightful glass-fibre woven material, like fireproof drapes, and
catalyzed polyester resin slopped on can easily become a
'fiberglass panel' boat.

If you useed planks or cut up pieces of plywood instead, you
would have a more traditional wooden boat, no?

Or do you expect to buy sheets of cured fiberglass like plywood,
to be cut to shape or precut shaped panels, and stuck together,
with glue of some sort, like double sided tape or velcro, maybe
nails? Screws are such a bother.

If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you
would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and
would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2
layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly
to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while
the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and
Africa?

Dream on.

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Terry,
Maybe you could research the product the guy is asking about before you
jump in with your useless uninformed (and rather rude) post.

For the original poster:

A yahoo search came up with a few UK locations that mention the C-Flex
fiberglass panels. I didn't search through for specific suppliers but
it appears that they are available. It seems some of the Bruce-Roberts
boats must use this material so contacting one of the places that deals
in their stuff might turn up a source. I have had good results asking
questions at Glen-L so maybe an email to them would help find a source.

Good luck.
Ed



Terry Spragg wrote:
 >
 > Mark wrote:
 >
  >>Hello,
  >>
  >>I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and
  >>perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to
  >>use prior to ordering plans.
  >>
  >>Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done
  >>this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting
  >>challenge), but recently I have been looking at the
  >>http://www.glen-l.com/ website where many of their plans require the
  >>craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this
  >>method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking
  >>in the UK?
  >>
  >>Many thanks,
  >>Mark
 >
 >
 > Usually fabricated in situ, I believe,
 >
 > As I recall, a frame kit, some c-flex foam tacked on and some
 > delightful glass-fibre woven material, like fireproof drapes, and
 > catalyzed polyester resin slopped on can easily become a
 > 'fiberglass panel' boat.
 >
 > If you useed planks or cut up pieces of plywood instead, you
 > would have a more traditional wooden boat, no?
 >
 > Or do you expect to buy sheets of cured fiberglass like plywood,
 > to be cut to shape or precut shaped panels, and stuck together,
 > with glue of some sort, like double sided tape or velcro, maybe
 > nails? Screws are such a bother.
 >
 > If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you
 > would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and
 > would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2
 > layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly
 > to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while
 > the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and
 > Africa?
 >
 > Dream on.
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels 

"Terry Spragg" <tkspragg.RemoveThis@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:3F6074EA.8BA780A0@nbnet.nb.ca...

 > If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you
 > would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and
 > would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2
 > layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly
 > to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while
 > the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and
 > Africa?
 >
 > Dream on.
 >

? New to me . . . I'm glad I didn't sink during those ocean crossings
because my boat did not have any of those "connections" between the skins.
Maybe we should warn all those yards, builders and designers of foam
sandwich hulls.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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and
  > > would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2
  > > layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly
  > > to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater

Interestingly, I've just started working for a company specialising in
attaching resins to many substrates including foam. And I _really_
would trust it to adhere to the foam. I could give you a recipe for
adhesion to of all unlikely substrates, polysyrene, were it not
commerically sensitive.

Al<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Thanks Ed,

I'll follow up with the suppliers as you suggested.

C-Flex is explained nicely at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/HTML/boat_building.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/HTML/boat_building.htm</a> so I felt it
worthy of investigating before choosing plans.

Many thanks,
Mark


"Ed Edelenbos" <eded.RemoveThis@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:3F607A8E.5060306@speakeasy.net...
 > Terry,
 > Maybe you could research the product the guy is asking about before you
 > jump in with your useless uninformed (and rather rude) post.
 >
 > For the original poster:
 >
 > A yahoo search came up with a few UK locations that mention the C-Flex
 > fiberglass panels. I didn't search through for specific suppliers but
 > it appears that they are available. It seems some of the Bruce-Roberts
 > boats must use this material so contacting one of the places that deals
 > in their stuff might turn up a source. I have had good results asking
 > questions at Glen-L so maybe an email to them would help find a source.
 >
 > Good luck.
 > Ed
 >
 >
 >
 > Terry Spragg wrote:
  > >
  > > Mark wrote:
  > >
   > >>Hello,
   > >>
   > >>I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and
   > >>perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to
   > >>use prior to ordering plans.
   > >>
   > >>Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done
   > >>this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting
   > >>challenge), but recently I have been looking at the
   > >>http://www.glen-l.com/ website where many of their plans require the
   > >>craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this
   > >>method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking
   > >>in the UK?
   > >>
   > >>Many thanks,
   > >>Mark
  > >
  > >
  > > Usually fabricated in situ, I believe,
  > >
  > > As I recall, a frame kit, some c-flex foam tacked on and some
  > > delightful glass-fibre woven material, like fireproof drapes, and
  > > catalyzed polyester resin slopped on can easily become a
  > > 'fiberglass panel' boat.
  > >
  > > If you useed planks or cut up pieces of plywood instead, you
  > > would have a more traditional wooden boat, no?
  > >
  > > Or do you expect to buy sheets of cured fiberglass like plywood,
  > > to be cut to shape or precut shaped panels, and stuck together,
  > > with glue of some sort, like double sided tape or velcro, maybe
  > > nails? Screws are such a bother.
  > >
  > > If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you
  > > would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and
  > > would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2
  > > layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly
  > > to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while
  > > the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and
  > > Africa?
  > >
  > > Dream on.
  > >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: UK Supplier of Fiberglass panels 

Terry Spragg <tkspragg RemoveThis @nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:<3F6074EA.8BA780A0 RemoveThis @nbnet.nb.ca>...
 > Mark wrote:
  > >
  > > Hello,
  > >
  > > I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and
  > > perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to
  > > use prior to ordering plans.
  > >
  > > Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done
  > > this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting
  > > challenge), but recently I have been looking at the
  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.glen-l.com/" target="_blank">http://www.glen-l.com/</a> website where many of their plans require the
  > > craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this
  > > method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking
  > > in the UK?
  > >
  > > Many thanks,
  > > Mark
 >
 > Usually fabricated in situ, I believe,
 >
 > As I recall, a frame kit, some c-flex foam tacked on and some
 > delightful glass-fibre woven material, like fireproof drapes, and
 > catalyzed polyester resin slopped on can easily become a
 > 'fiberglass panel' boat.
 >
 > If you useed planks or cut up pieces of plywood instead, you
 > would have a more traditional wooden boat, no?
 >
 > Or do you expect to buy sheets of cured fiberglass like plywood,
 > to be cut to shape or precut shaped panels, and stuck together,
 > with glue of some sort, like double sided tape or velcro, maybe
 > nails? Screws are such a bother.
 >
 > If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you
 > would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and
 > would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2
 > layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly
 > to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while
 > the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and
 > Africa?
 >
 > Dream on.
 >


Sounds to me like you are being sarcastic here, forgive me if I miss.
But if you are mocking this type of "dream" building it is being done
all the time and for some time now. Of course I don't usually carry
elephants around in the bilge, but you never know... maybe pink
ones...
Scotty<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Hi Jacques,

Out of interest, do you have a BOM available for the foam sandwiched
version? This would help me do a cost comparison between the ply and
foam versions.

Foam sandwich would be a good way to go for me as I see this boat as
being a project to learn new techniques prior to a bigger build.

Thanks,
Mark

"Jacques Mertens" <jojo.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message news:<GdL7b.7532$D82.3874@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
 > That is a coincidence but here is another one: we are working on a foam
 > sandwich version of the VG23.
 > Already, as designed you could build her that way but I am working on a set
 > of scantlings.
 >
 > --
 > Jacques
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bateau.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.bateau.com</font</a>>
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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The plans for that version will have a BOM, like all good plans but it's not
ready now, sorry.
We are working on 3 other designs, that job is #4 on the list.

--
Jacques
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bateau.com" target="_blank">http://www.bateau.com</a>

"Mark" <Mark.TakeThisOut@mark-pate.uklinux.net> wrote in message
news:f87791ee.0309122344.4dde06a1@posting.google.com...
 > Hi Jacques,
 >
 > Out of interest, do you have a BOM available for the foam sandwiched
 > version? This would help me do a cost comparison between the ply and
 > foam versions.
 >
 > Foam sandwich would be a good way to go for me as I see this boat as
 > being a project to learn new techniques prior to a bigger build.
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Mark
 >
 > "Jacques Mertens" <jojo.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
news:<GdL7b.7532$D82.3874@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
  > > That is a coincidence but here is another one: we are working on a foam
  > > sandwich version of the VG23.
  > > Already, as designed you could build her that way but I am working on a
set
  > > of scantlings.
  > >
  > > --
  > > Jacques
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bateau.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.bateau.com</font</a>>
  > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Backyard Renegade wrote:
 >
 > Terry Spragg <tkspragg.DeleteThis@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:<3F6074EA.8BA780A0.DeleteThis@nbnet.nb.ca>...
  > > Mark wrote:
   > > >
   > > > Hello,
   > > >
   > > > I am in the throws of deciding on a sailing cruiser to build and
   > > > perhaps more importantly which method of construction that I plan to
   > > > use prior to ordering plans.
   > > >
   > > > Currently my preferences are either stitch and glue (as I have done
   > > > this before) or cedar strip (which looks like an interesting
   > > > challenge), but recently I have been looking at the
   > > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.glen-l.com/" target="_blank">http://www.glen-l.com/</a> website where many of their plans require the
   > > > craft to be built from Fiberglass planking. So as to consider this
   > > > method of construction is anyone aware of suppliers of such planking
   > > > in the UK?
   > > >
   > > > Many thanks,
   > > > Mark
  > >
  > > Usually fabricated in situ, I believe,
  > >
  > > As I recall, a frame kit, some c-flex foam tacked on and some
  > > delightful glass-fibre woven material, like fireproof drapes, and
  > > catalyzed polyester resin slopped on can easily become a
  > > 'fiberglass panel' boat.
  > >
  > > If you useed planks or cut up pieces of plywood instead, you
  > > would have a more traditional wooden boat, no?
  > >
  > > Or do you expect to buy sheets of cured fiberglass like plywood,
  > > to be cut to shape or precut shaped panels, and stuck together,
  > > with glue of some sort, like double sided tape or velcro, maybe
  > > nails? Screws are such a bother.
  > >
  > > If, after glassing the outside, you glass the inside too, you
  > > would have a foam sandwich construction with floatation core, and
  > > would need to incorperate some connection system to bind the 2
  > > layers of glass together, unless you trust it to adhere strongly
  > > to the foam while sloughing off 10 tons of lumpy seawater while
  > > the loose elephant cargo below makes a break for Freedom and
  > > Africa?
  > >
  > > Dream on.
  > >
 >
 > Sounds to me like you are being sarcastic here, forgive me if I miss.
 > But if you are mocking this type of "dream" building it is being done
 > all the time and for some time now. Of course I don't usually carry
 > elephants around in the bilge, but you never know... maybe pink
 > ones...
 > Scotty

Oh, well, I was having a bit of fun, but...

Some foam is good as structure, some is so scored for flexing
purposes, that it is not, IMHO. I believe that c-flex (AKA
"fiberglass planking" among some) is intended to be torn out
after serving as shape form. It is not intended to be used a
structural ingredient.

The real point, fiberglass panels are built in situ, not
purchased as structural material, seems to be adrift amongst the
angst.

C-flex is a temporary form material, only.

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Once again... I'd suggest you research the material before you make
comments. You may believe it, but the data doesn't support your beliefs.

Ed

Terry Spragg wrote:
 >
 > Some foam is good as structure, some is so scored for flexing
 > purposes, that it is not, IMHO. I believe that c-flex (AKA
 > "fiberglass planking" among some) is intended to be torn out
 > after serving as shape form. It is not intended to be used a
 > structural ingredient.
 >
 > The real point, fiberglass panels are built in situ, not
 > purchased as structural material, seems to be adrift amongst the
 > angst.
 >
 > C-flex is a temporary form material, only.
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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