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Since: Mar 31, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:55 am
Post subject: Tiny boat on Lake Erie, Unsafe?
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My little boat is only a 15ft 4Winns open bow Catalina (Like the
current Horizon models). I would like to do some 'near shore' diving
on Lake Erie, no more than perhaps 1 mile off shore. Is this boat
just to damn small? Off course I am sensible enough to only go out
on a calm day.
I am thinking back all those years ago when I was only about 12,
and my family had a 22ft Trojan cabin cruiser at Conneaut Harbour,
and I felt that even the 22 footer was 'challenged' once off shore
a distance. I think I have seen bigger waves on Erie in a storm, than
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:13 am
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"gudmundur" <hexter.DeleteThis@blazenet.net> wrote
> My little boat is only a 15ft 4Winns open bow Catalina (Like the
> current Horizon models). I would like to do some 'near shore' diving
> on Lake Erie, no more than perhaps 1 mile off shore. Is this boat
> just to damn small? Off course I am sensible enough to only go out
> on a calm day.
>
> I am thinking back all those years ago when I was only about 12,
> and my family had a 22ft Trojan cabin cruiser at Conneaut Harbour,
> and I felt that even the 22 footer was 'challenged' once off shore
> a distance. I think I have seen bigger waves on Erie in a storm, than
> I have at Virginia Beach.
>
I grew up boating and sailing in Erie, PA, and I was in the North Atlantic
above 60 degrees in winter storms before I ever felt waves worse than Lake
Erie's. Erie's waves are so steep, that they can swamp or capsize almost any
small boat. More than a few times a year, boaters vacationing from
Pittsburgh bring their neat bass boats and other calm water fishing rigs up
to Walnut Creek (West of Erie), and die there. They fail to realize that
even if the rapidly changing conditions on Lake Erie don't take advantage of
their poor judgment, even the river and creek inlets just yards offshore can
become just as deadly in as little as an hours time. Diving alone from a
small boat is suicide anywhere, but just because there are no sharks <G>
doesn't make it a safe place to work alone. Many summer days Lake Erie can
be flat calm at 6am, uncomfortably choppy at 10am, have a line squall make
frightening wave heights from 1-2pm, and be nearly calm again by sunset.
Wave heights at the Mouth of the Chesapeake Bay in Virginia Beach by
comparison, rarely exceed 10' even in hurricanes, but it also rarely calms
from the sloppiest disturbed tidal current/wind patterns I have ever seen.
It just doesn't freeze-over here 
Jack
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:55 am
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:33 am
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"gudmundur" <hexter.TakeThisOut@blazenet.net> wrote in message
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> My little boat is only a 15ft 4Winns open bow Catalina (Like the
> current Horizon models). I would like to do some 'near shore' diving
> on Lake Erie, no more than perhaps 1 mile off shore. Is this boat
> just to damn small? Off course I am sensible enough to only go out
> on a calm day.
>
> I am thinking back all those years ago when I was only about 12,
> and my family had a 22ft Trojan cabin cruiser at Conneaut Harbour,
> and I felt that even the 22 footer was 'challenged' once off shore
> a distance. I think I have seen bigger waves on Erie in a storm, than
> I have at Virginia Beach.
>
Be aware of the weather and you will be fine.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Tiny boat on Lake Erie, Unsafe? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:30 am
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gudmundur wrote:
> My little boat is only a 15ft 4Winns open bow Catalina (Like the
> current Horizon models). I would like to do some 'near shore' diving
> on Lake Erie, no more than perhaps 1 mile off shore. Is this boat
> just to damn small? Off course I am sensible enough to only go out
> on a calm day.
>
> I am thinking back all those years ago when I was only about 12,
> and my family had a 22ft Trojan cabin cruiser at Conneaut Harbour,
> and I felt that even the 22 footer was 'challenged' once off shore
> a distance. I think I have seen bigger waves on Erie in a storm, than
> I have at Virginia Beach.
>
We took our 24' Baja out on Lake Erie twice last year and had ZERO
problems and TONS O' FUN. Maybe we got lucky - both were excellent
weather days, minimal chop, and great tubing action.
We launched at Geneva On The Lake (Geneva, OH), never got out of sight
of the boat launch area, were consistently in 25+ feet of water, and had
two wonderful days with my brother's family.
As another poster said, keep your eyes on the weather and be prepared
for a quick getaway and you should be fine.
--
G.D.Smith
Harpers Ferry, WV
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:46 am
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Open bows any size are in trouble on Lake Erie, but a 15 ft. open bow
can't even take the wakes on the big lake, let alone the weather. A mile
out is open water, big boats will be at speed, throwng 3 and 4 ft.
wakes. Wear your swim suit and PFD if you go, you will need them. >> Stay informed about: Tiny boat on Lake Erie, Unsafe? |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:52 am
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'''"Be aware of the weather and you will be fine. ''"'"
Excellent advice here, I have spend many nights crusing Erie and following
schools of pickerel. Some times rough but never a problem but watching the
weather is critical.
"JimH" <Me.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "gudmundur" <hexter.DeleteThis@blazenet.net> wrote in message
> news:114s7enqc9mic57@corp.supernews.com...
>> My little boat is only a 15ft 4Winns open bow Catalina (Like the
>> current Horizon models). I would like to do some 'near shore' diving
>> on Lake Erie, no more than perhaps 1 mile off shore. Is this boat
>> just to damn small? Off course I am sensible enough to only go out
>> on a calm day.
>>
>> I am thinking back all those years ago when I was only about 12,
>> and my family had a 22ft Trojan cabin cruiser at Conneaut Harbour,
>> and I felt that even the 22 footer was 'challenged' once off shore
>> a distance. I think I have seen bigger waves on Erie in a storm, than
>> I have at Virginia Beach.
>>
>
> Be aware of the weather and you will be fine.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:03 am
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"Jim P." <jpp.RemoveThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Open bows any size are in trouble on Lake Erie, but a 15 ft. open bow
> can't even take the wakes on the big lake, let alone the weather. A mile
> out is open water, big boats will be at speed, throwng 3 and 4 ft.
> wakes.
And those boats should not be passing so close to a stopped boat or one at
anchor to cause a 3 or 4 foot wake breaking into the boat.
>Wear your swim suit and PFD if you go, you will need them.
>
You are exaggerating. You can see plenty of 15 and 16 foot boats out on the
Lake on any nice day, even ones with open bows.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Tiny boat on Lake Erie, Unsafe? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:03 am
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Alot of the time depending on where you are, there are so many boats
fishing that you have to take a big boat close, say 100 yards. That's
going to throw a pretty big wake at them. I've been fishing and rocked
pretty good, and I have a 36 ft. sedan. >> Stay informed about: Tiny boat on Lake Erie, Unsafe? |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:55 am
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"Jack Painter" <223bthp RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
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>. Diving alone from a
> small boat is suicide anywhere, but just because there are no sharks <G>
> doesn't make it a safe place to work alone.
Probably a good point of view & experience for the original poster.
But I don't think he said anything about that he was going to go alone.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Tiny boat on Lake Erie, Unsafe? |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:57 pm
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gudmundur,
Isn't Lake Erie a bit shallow a mile off shore? What would you see,
sand, weeds? I've done a few dives in Lake Huron about a mile of
Lexington. There's a wrecked tug boat named the Sport that's at 60 feet.
Also a wrecked freighter named the Price that about the same depth.
Still found it rather boring but a good excuse to stay in practice and
wet. Crunching up zebra mussels and feeding them to the golbies was
about it. Visibility was about 20 feet, not the best.
Paul
gudmundur wrote:
> My little boat is only a 15ft 4Winns open bow Catalina (Like the
> current Horizon models). I would like to do some 'near shore' diving
> on Lake Erie, no more than perhaps 1 mile off shore. Is this boat
> just to damn small? Off course I am sensible enough to only go out
> on a calm day.
>
> I am thinking back all those years ago when I was only about 12,
> and my family had a 22ft Trojan cabin cruiser at Conneaut Harbour,
> and I felt that even the 22 footer was 'challenged' once off shore
> a distance. I think I have seen bigger waves on Erie in a storm, than
> I have at Virginia Beach.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:17 pm
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"Paul Schilter" <""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net"> wrote in message
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> gudmundur,
> Isn't Lake Erie a bit shallow a mile off shore? What would you see, sand,
> weeds? I've done a few dives in Lake Huron about a mile of Lexington.
> There's a wrecked tug boat named the Sport that's at 60 feet. Also a
> wrecked freighter named the Price that about the same depth. Still found
> it rather boring but a good excuse to stay in practice and wet. Crunching
> up zebra mussels and feeding them to the golbies was about it. Visibility
> was about 20 feet, not the best.
> Paul
>
Plenty of shipwrecks in Lake Erie:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.alcheminc.com/shipwrck.html" target="_blank">http://www.alcheminc.com/shipwrck.html</a>
Saw a lot of scuba diving on the north end of Kelley's Island over the
years, just east of the State Park campgrounds..<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Tiny boat on Lake Erie, Unsafe? |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:22 am
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"""'"Isn't Lake Erie a bit shallow a mile off shore? What would you see,
sand, weeds?"""''
No, you lying fool
Lake Erie is an overall shallow lake (compared to the other great lakes).
Approx a mile off shore at any given area it is near 50foot but most of the
places I fish and cruise when you go out farther it of course gets deeper
but only to about 70 to 75 feet and on the eastern end of the basin that is
basically it.
"'''
"Paul Schilter" <""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net"> wrote in message
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> gudmundur,
> Isn't Lake Erie a bit shallow a mile off shore? What would you see, sand,
> weeds? I've done a few dives in Lake Huron about a mile of Lexington.
> There's a wrecked tug boat named the Sport that's at 60 feet. Also a
> wrecked freighter named the Price that about the same depth. Still found
> it rather boring but a good excuse to stay in practice and wet. Crunching
> up zebra mussels and feeding them to the golbies was about it. Visibility
> was about 20 feet, not the best.
> Paul
>
>
> gudmundur wrote:
>> My little boat is only a 15ft 4Winns open bow Catalina (Like the
>> current Horizon models). I would like to do some 'near shore' diving
>> on Lake Erie, no more than perhaps 1 mile off shore. Is this boat
>> just to damn small? Off course I am sensible enough to only go out
>> on a calm day.
>>
>> I am thinking back all those years ago when I was only about 12,
>> and my family had a 22ft Trojan cabin cruiser at Conneaut Harbour,
>> and I felt that even the 22 footer was 'challenged' once off shore
>> a distance. I think I have seen bigger waves on Erie in a storm, than
>> I have at Virginia Beach.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Tiny boat on Lake Erie, Unsafe? |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:55 am
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We are normally on Erie every other weekend or so through the summer.
You'd be out of your mind to take a 15' open bow boat out there.
The water can change in an instant from glassy smooth to swampers.
"gudmundur" <hexter.TakeThisOut@blazenet.net> wrote in message
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> My little boat is only a 15ft 4Winns open bow Catalina (Like the
> current Horizon models). I would like to do some 'near shore' diving
> on Lake Erie, no more than perhaps 1 mile off shore. Is this boat
> just to damn small? Off course I am sensible enough to only go out
> on a calm day.
>
> I am thinking back all those years ago when I was only about 12,
> and my family had a 22ft Trojan cabin cruiser at Conneaut Harbour,
> and I felt that even the 22 footer was 'challenged' once off shore
> a distance. I think I have seen bigger waves on Erie in a storm, than
> I have at Virginia Beach.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:55 am
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"bomar" <bomar76.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> We are normally on Erie every other weekend or so through the summer.
> You'd be out of your mind to take a 15' open bow boat out there.
Watch the weather and you will be safe. You are always provided with ample
warning (a change in clouds, wind picking up, etc) before a storm hits,
especially if you keep the weather channel on your marine radio. He is only
talking a mile or so off shore.
> The water can change in an instant from glassy smooth to swampers.
More folklore than fact. Yes, the Lake can change from glass to whitecaps
in a short time, but it does not happen in an instant. There is always time
to react if you are paying attention.
I would not recommend taking that boat out, however, if there are whitecaps
or if a small craft advisory is forecast.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Tiny boat on Lake Erie, Unsafe? |
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