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Since: Oct 04, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:36 am
Post subject: Synthetic oil versus 2 cycle restrictions
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I had a conversation with my favorite o/b motor mechanic today about my
using synthetic oil in my various 2 cycle motors. I have been using it for
about a year in one and see less smoke, and understand that it is
bio-degradable. ( I know, I know, everything is sooner or later
biodegradable). It is about twice the expense of "regular" oil, but that
price would probably drop somewhat if more people used it.
Anyhow, I posed the question that if "everyone who is presently using a 2
cycle engine ( that's me, I have 3 of them)..switched it the more expensive
but supposedly less polluting synthetic oil, would we get the environmental
agencies off of our backs for another ten years?", I'm assuming that many
two cycles will probably be gone from the boating arena by the end of ten
years.
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Since: Dec 31, 2003
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:50 am
Post subject: Re: Synthetic oil versus 2 cycle restrictions [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Instead of the continuing efforts to ban 2 cycle outboards, I'd rather see
these bans have grandfather clauses and total exemptions for those running
synthetic oils.
It's my feeling that the 2 cycle bans might be kind of silly anyway. I mean
the "golden age" of the 2 cycle outboard has already come and gone and I've
never seen any quantifier of "damage" they've done to the lake environments.
-W
"RG" wrote in message
> I had a conversation with my favorite o/b motor mechanic today about my
> using synthetic oil in my various 2 cycle motors. I have been using it for
> about a year in one and see less smoke, and understand that it is
> bio-degradable. ( I know, I know, everything is sooner or later
> biodegradable). It is about twice the expense of "regular" oil, but that
> price would probably drop somewhat if more people used it.
>
> Anyhow, I posed the question that if "everyone who is presently using a 2
> cycle engine ( that's me, I have 3 of them)..switched it the more
expensive
> but supposedly less polluting synthetic oil, would we get the
environmental
> agencies off of our backs for another ten years?", I'm assuming that many
> two cycles will probably be gone from the boating arena by the end of ten
> years.
>
> Any comments????....( be nice )!
>
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Since: Jan 17, 2004
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:58 am
Post subject: Re: Synthetic oil versus 2 cycle restrictions [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"RG" wrote in message
> I had a conversation with my favorite o/b motor mechanic today about my
> using synthetic oil in my various 2 cycle motors. I have been using it for
> about a year in one and see less smoke, and understand that it is
> bio-degradable. ( I know, I know, everything is sooner or later
> biodegradable). It is about twice the expense of "regular" oil, but that
> price would probably drop somewhat if more people used it.
>
That question has been around for almost 10 years and gets asked quite
often. Basically the different government bodies say that outboard exhaust
pollution is about air quality. The oil issue is would be about water
quality, and there are no reported problems with outboard oils since they
dissipate fairly quickly. This is not crude oil like from the Exxon Valdez.
I understand that in Europe there are a few places that require the
semi-biodegradable oils such as Mercury's and Bombardier's products.
Bill Grannis
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Synthetic oil versus 2 cycle restrictions [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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If it's about air quality, then DFI would have to be exempted.
Personally, I don't think the aggregate number of 2 stroke outboards is
sufficiant to make a significant contribution to air pollution. While I'd
agree they are a lot dirtier than comparable 4 cycles, there just aren't
enough of them running to impact anything real.
-W
"Billgran" wrote in message
> Basically the different government bodies say that outboard exhaust
> pollution is about air quality. The oil issue is would be about water
> quality, and there are no reported problems with outboard oils since they
> dissipate fairly quickly. >> Stay informed about: Synthetic oil versus 2 cycle restrictions |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:16 am
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"Clams Canino" wrote in message
> If it's about air quality, then DFI would have to be exempted.
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> Personally, I don't think the aggregate number of 2 stroke outboards is
> sufficiant to make a significant contribution to air pollution. While I'd
> agree they are a lot dirtier than comparable 4 cycles, there just aren't
> enough of them running to impact anything real.
>
> -W
Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
fairly steady throughout the life of the motor. On the other hand, a
4-stroke gets dirtier (increased hydrocarbon emissions) as it wears (about
350-400 hours) and oil starts getting by the rings and the valve guides. It
doesn't even have to "smoke" to drastically increase its emissions.
Bill Grannis
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:39 pm
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:16:02 GMT, "Billgran"
wrote:
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>> If it's about air quality, then DFI would have to be exempted.
>>
>> Personally, I don't think the aggregate number of 2 stroke outboards is
>> sufficiant to make a significant contribution to air pollution. While I'd
>> agree they are a lot dirtier than comparable 4 cycles, there just aren't
>> enough of them running to impact anything real.
>>
>> -W
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>Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
>such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
>EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
>fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.
Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
couldn't resist. 
Steve >> Stay informed about: Synthetic oil versus 2 cycle restrictions |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:39 pm
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>>Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
>>such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
>>EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
>>fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.
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>Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
>couldn't resist.
>
>Steve
>
When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
strokes than 4 strokes.
I couldn't resist either.
Barry >> Stay informed about: Synthetic oil versus 2 cycle restrictions |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 3:43 pm
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On 20 Dec 2003 19:39:11 GMT, f330gt.RemoveThis@aol.comnospam (F330 GT) wrote:
>>>Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
>>>such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
>>>EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
>>>fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.
>>
>>Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
>>couldn't resist.
>>
>>Steve
>>
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>When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
>strokes than 4 strokes.
>
>I couldn't resist either.
I'll be there isn't. Remember, we're talking about DFI 2 strokes. But
since you mentioned all marine engines, there could be a lot more old 4
strokes there as well. Just not outboards.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:26 am
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shelikoff DeleteThis @yawho.com (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
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> >>>Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
> >>>such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
> >>>EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
> >>>fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.
> >>
> >>Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
> >>couldn't resist.
> >>
> >>Steve
> >>
> >
> >When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
> >strokes than 4 strokes.
> >
> >I couldn't resist either.
>
> I'll be there isn't. Remember, we're talking about DFI 2 strokes. But
> since you mentioned all marine engines, there could be a lot more old 4
> strokes there as well. Just not outboards.
>
> Steve
Hmm, are you including two stroke diesels in that data? >> Stay informed about: Synthetic oil versus 2 cycle restrictions |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:15 am
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On 23 Dec 2003 10:26:16 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
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>> >>>Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
>> >>>such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
>> >>>EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
>> >>>fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.
>> >>
>> >>Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
>> >>couldn't resist.
>> >>
>> >
>> >When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
>> >strokes than 4 strokes.
>> >
>> >I couldn't resist either.
>>
>> I'll be there isn't. Remember, we're talking about DFI 2 strokes. But
>> since you mentioned all marine engines, there could be a lot more old 4
>> strokes there as well. Just not outboards.
>
>Hmm, are you including two stroke diesels in that data?
No. If you want to, go ahead. But only old marine ones.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:34 am
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shelikoff.DeleteThis@yawho.com (Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
>
> >>
> >> >>>Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
> >> >>>such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
> >> >>>EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
> >> >>>fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.
> >> >>
> >> >>Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
> >> >>couldn't resist.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
> >> >strokes than 4 strokes.
> >> >
> >> >I couldn't resist either.
> >>
> >> I'll be there isn't. Remember, we're talking about DFI 2 strokes. But
> >> since you mentioned all marine engines, there could be a lot more old 4
> >> strokes there as well. Just not outboards.
> >
> >Hmm, are you including two stroke diesels in that data?
>
> No. If you want to, go ahead. But only old marine ones.
>
> Steve
Old is a relative term. Seems as though someone as self-imposed
brilliant as you would never use a term that unspecific. >> Stay informed about: Synthetic oil versus 2 cycle restrictions |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:49 am
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On 24 Dec 2003 08:34:05 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:
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>> >>
>> >> >>>Most people are under the impression that a 4-stroke is cleaner, but a DFI,
>> >> >>>such as a late model Evinrude, has fewer total emissions than a late model
>> >> >>>EFI 4-stroke. The great thing about DFI is that its emission output stays
>> >> >>>fairly steady throughout the life of the motor.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Could that be because the 4-stroke lasts so much longer? Sorry,
>> >> >>couldn't resist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >When it comes to marine engines, I'll bet there's a whole lot more old 2
>> >> >strokes than 4 strokes.
>> >> >
>> >> >I couldn't resist either.
>> >>
>> >> I'll be there isn't. Remember, we're talking about DFI 2 strokes. But
>> >> since you mentioned all marine engines, there could be a lot more old 4
>> >> strokes there as well. Just not outboards.
>> >
>> >Hmm, are you including two stroke diesels in that data?
>>
>> No. If you want to, go ahead. But only old marine ones.
>
>Old is a relative term. Seems as though someone as self-imposed
>brilliant as you would never use a term that unspecific.
If you were actually smart enough to follow a thread you'd see that I am
only continuing the use of term "old" as stated by (F330 GT). If you
want to know what he meant by that relative term, ask him. However,
your attempt at a dig has once again proven your own stupidity. Keep up
the good work!
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