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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:34 am
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We recently completed the sale of the previous boat and now have the new
one. Used actually, but new for us. Bring on the feeshin!!!
Most all the fishing and general boating we do in the SW Florida area is
considered shallow water. The new boat, a 22ft with a flats tower, has a
Garmin 188C, (color chart plotter / depth finder combo unit) mounted in
the lower station. I am looking to add at minimum, a depth finder for
the upper station.
In general terms I am not all that thrilled with Garmin. Long story
short, but if I was to replace everything, I'd not look first at the new
Garmin line. Heck, I'm considering replacing that 188C.
I've heard of and see via the web, the new Hummingbird side-imaging
depth finders, but those only come in the combo type units. Had anyone
had an personal experience with these particular depth finders?
A couple of questions I have asked myself, altho I have yet to answer
myself:
- What is the truly the best depth finder in shallow water? I'm
experienced enough to know if you can step out the boat and not get your
shins wet, no depth finder can help you then. What I am looking for is
the best imaging/resolution/clarity which can be found in a single unit.
- Can you put two different transducers, from two different
manufacturers on the same stern and each will function accordingly? I
guess I am wondering of Garmin's transducer and branx X's(assuming I go
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:26 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:34 am
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gfretwell DeleteThis @aol.com wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61 DeleteThis @comcast.net>
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>> - What is the truly the best depth finder in shallow water?
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> A stick with marks on it
Indeed. I use my aluminum boathook pole if the water is really skinny.
I've got a ring painted on it that indicates how much water my lower
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:01 pm
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gfretwell RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61 RemoveThis @comcast.net>
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>> - What is the truly the best depth finder in shallow water?
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> A stick with marks on it
I already got one of those and and I mark on my shin the minimum depth
with a sharpie.  >> Stay informed about: Shallow Water Depth Finders |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:38 pm
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DownTime wrote:
> gfretwell RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61 RemoveThis @comcast.net>
>> wrote:
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>>> - What is the truly the best depth finder in shallow water?
>>
>> A stick with marks on it
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> I already got one of those and and I mark on my shin the minimum depth
> with a sharpie.
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>
Now seriously, part of my dissatisfaction with the Garmin is (in my
experience) tend to be inconsistent and not reliable in depths less than
5ft. Maybe I need to re-read the manual and make an adjustment, but the
performance is not what I expected. >> Stay informed about: Shallow Water Depth Finders |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:38 pm
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61 RemoveThis @comcast.net>
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>- Can you put two different transducers, from two different
>manufacturers on the same stern and each will function accordingly? I
>guess I am wondering of Garmin's transducer and branx X's(assuming I go
>that route) might interfere with each other.
Well, no - not on a small boat. The two signals will interfere with
each other. Even at twenty feet or so, they will interfere - I have a
transducer mounted on my trolling motor which is 21 feet away from the
stern and they still interfere with each other.
Has to do with the angle of the beam.
With respect to shallow water performance, that's natural. Get within
five feet of the bottom and the signal return will be overpowering and
produce nothing but hash. Plus, if the bottom is muddy, you can get
false returns to hard bottom. I've turned down the sensitivity on my
Raymarine DS600 to zero and still can't get a reliable reading under 5
feet.
Shallow water fishing is mostly sight fishing anyway. Even in deeper
water, depending on the species, it's mostly sight fishing.
The best way to handle this situation is to set the offset for your
draft - at least that will tell you what you are getting into shallow
waters. >> Stay informed about: Shallow Water Depth Finders |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:38 pm
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61.TakeThisOut@comcast.net>
> wrote:
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>> - Can you put two different transducers, from two different
>> manufacturers on the same stern and each will function accordingly? I
>> guess I am wondering of Garmin's transducer and branx X's(assuming I go
>> that route) might interfere with each other.
>
> Well, no - not on a small boat. The two signals will interfere with
> each other. Even at twenty feet or so, they will interfere - I have a
> transducer mounted on my trolling motor which is 21 feet away from the
> stern and they still interfere with each other.
>
> Has to do with the angle of the beam.
>
> With respect to shallow water performance, that's natural. Get within
> five feet of the bottom and the signal return will be overpowering and
> produce nothing but hash. Plus, if the bottom is muddy, you can get
> false returns to hard bottom. I've turned down the sensitivity on my
> Raymarine DS600 to zero and still can't get a reliable reading under 5
> feet.
>
> Shallow water fishing is mostly sight fishing anyway. Even in deeper
> water, depending on the species, it's mostly sight fishing.
>
> The best way to handle this situation is to set the offset for your
> draft - at least that will tell you what you are getting into shallow
> waters.
On my previous Parker, I had a Furuno fishfinder in the cabin and a
Lowrance fishfinder mounted in the cockpit. They were wired to different
transducers on opposite sides of the transom. The transducers were
different frequencies. Both units worked just fine, even when both were
operating at the same time.
Thus, the answer to the question of two transducers is - maybe.
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the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:38 pm
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
> With respect to shallow water performance, that's natural. Get within
> five feet of the bottom and the signal return will be overpowering and
> produce nothing but hash. Plus, if the bottom is muddy, you can get
> false returns to hard bottom. I've turned down the sensitivity on my
> Raymarine DS600 to zero and still can't get a reliable reading under 5
> feet.
>
> Shallow water fishing is mostly sight fishing anyway. Even in deeper
> water, depending on the species, it's mostly sight fishing.
>
> The best way to handle this situation is to set the offset for your
> draft - at least that will tell you what you are getting into shallow
> waters.
Thank you for the replies. Part of our issue here, is it could be times
in 2-3 ft of water and it is murky enough to not have a clear vision of
the bottom. In Matlacha pass with the numerous oyster bars, one must
exercise extreme caution.
It appears my dilema is reduced to a Garmin unit for up top and
hopefully they make a splitter for both units to share the transducer,
or replace it all with another brand.
For today, its more a matter of tying everything down and put away, as
Fay is coming. I hope she's a kind soul and nothing like her sisters
Wilma or Katrina. >> Stay informed about: Shallow Water Depth Finders |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:38 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:38 pm
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DownTime wrote:
> Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>> With respect to shallow water performance, that's natural. Get within
>> five feet of the bottom and the signal return will be overpowering and
>> produce nothing but hash. Plus, if the bottom is muddy, you can get
>> false returns to hard bottom. I've turned down the sensitivity on my
>> Raymarine DS600 to zero and still can't get a reliable reading under 5
>> feet.
>>
>> Shallow water fishing is mostly sight fishing anyway. Even in deeper
>> water, depending on the species, it's mostly sight fishing.
>>
>> The best way to handle this situation is to set the offset for your
>> draft - at least that will tell you what you are getting into shallow
>> waters.
>
> Thank you for the replies. Part of our issue here, is it could be times
> in 2-3 ft of water and it is murky enough to not have a clear vision of
> the bottom. In Matlacha pass with the numerous oyster bars, one must
> exercise extreme caution.
>
> It appears my dilema is reduced to a Garmin unit for up top and
> hopefully they make a splitter for both units to share the transducer,
> or replace it all with another brand.
>
> For today, its more a matter of tying everything down and put away, as
> Fay is coming. I hope she's a kind soul and nothing like her sisters
> Wilma or Katrina.
Check with the aerial photography guys in your area and see if anyone
has shot the passes you are interested in at low tide. If you can get a
good photo, you'll be able to see most of the oyster bars, and mark them
on a waterproof chart.
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something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:07 pm
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:53:28 -0400, hk <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
>Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61 RemoveThis @comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> - Can you put two different transducers, from two different
>>> manufacturers on the same stern and each will function accordingly? I
>>> guess I am wondering of Garmin's transducer and branx X's(assuming I go
>>> that route) might interfere with each other.
>>
>> Well, no - not on a small boat. The two signals will interfere with
>> each other. Even at twenty feet or so, they will interfere - I have a
>> transducer mounted on my trolling motor which is 21 feet away from the
>> stern and they still interfere with each other.
>>
>> Has to do with the angle of the beam.
>>
>> With respect to shallow water performance, that's natural. Get within
>> five feet of the bottom and the signal return will be overpowering and
>> produce nothing but hash. Plus, if the bottom is muddy, you can get
>> false returns to hard bottom. I've turned down the sensitivity on my
>> Raymarine DS600 to zero and still can't get a reliable reading under 5
>> feet.
>>
>> Shallow water fishing is mostly sight fishing anyway. Even in deeper
>> water, depending on the species, it's mostly sight fishing.
>>
>> The best way to handle this situation is to set the offset for your
>> draft - at least that will tell you what you are getting into shallow
>> waters.
>
>
>On my previous Parker, I had a Furuno fishfinder in the cabin and a
>Lowrance fishfinder mounted in the cockpit. They were wired to different
>transducers on opposite sides of the transom. The transducers were
>different frequencies. Both units worked just fine, even when both were
>operating at the same time.
>
>Thus, the answer to the question of two transducers is - maybe.
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:53:28 -0400, hk <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
>
>> Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61 RemoveThis @comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> - Can you put two different transducers, from two different
>>>> manufacturers on the same stern and each will function accordingly? I
>>>> guess I am wondering of Garmin's transducer and branx X's(assuming I go
>>>> that route) might interfere with each other.
>>> Well, no - not on a small boat. The two signals will interfere with
>>> each other. Even at twenty feet or so, they will interfere - I have a
>>> transducer mounted on my trolling motor which is 21 feet away from the
>>> stern and they still interfere with each other.
>>>
>>> Has to do with the angle of the beam.
>>>
>>> With respect to shallow water performance, that's natural. Get within
>>> five feet of the bottom and the signal return will be overpowering and
>>> produce nothing but hash. Plus, if the bottom is muddy, you can get
>>> false returns to hard bottom. I've turned down the sensitivity on my
>>> Raymarine DS600 to zero and still can't get a reliable reading under 5
>>> feet.
>>>
>>> Shallow water fishing is mostly sight fishing anyway. Even in deeper
>>> water, depending on the species, it's mostly sight fishing.
>>>
>>> The best way to handle this situation is to set the offset for your
>>> draft - at least that will tell you what you are getting into shallow
>>> waters.
>>
>> On my previous Parker, I had a Furuno fishfinder in the cabin and a
>> Lowrance fishfinder mounted in the cockpit. They were wired to different
>> transducers on opposite sides of the transom. The transducers were
>> different frequencies. Both units worked just fine, even when both were
>> operating at the same time.
>>
>> Thus, the answer to the question of two transducers is - maybe.
>
> Um...what frequencies?
I don't remember. They were installed in 2003, and I sold that boat off
last year, but before installing them, I spoke with someone at Lowrance,
and he said the two frequencies would not interfere with each other.
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something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:07 pm
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:16:03 -0400, hk penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
|> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:53:28 -0400, hk <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
|>
|>> Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
|>>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61 DeleteThis @comcast.net>
|>>> wrote:
|>>>
|>>>> - Can you put two different transducers, from two different
|>>>> manufacturers on the same stern and each will function accordingly? I
|>>>> guess I am wondering of Garmin's transducer and branx X's(assuming I go
|>>>> that route) might interfere with each other.
|>>> Well, no - not on a small boat. The two signals will interfere with
|>>> each other. Even at twenty feet or so, they will interfere - I have a
|>>> transducer mounted on my trolling motor which is 21 feet away from the
|>>> stern and they still interfere with each other.
|>>>
|>>> Has to do with the angle of the beam.
|>>>
|>>> With respect to shallow water performance, that's natural. Get within
|>>> five feet of the bottom and the signal return will be overpowering and
|>>> produce nothing but hash. Plus, if the bottom is muddy, you can get
|>>> false returns to hard bottom. I've turned down the sensitivity on my
|>>> Raymarine DS600 to zero and still can't get a reliable reading under 5
|>>> feet.
|>>>
|>>> Shallow water fishing is mostly sight fishing anyway. Even in deeper
|>>> water, depending on the species, it's mostly sight fishing.
|>>>
|>>> The best way to handle this situation is to set the offset for your
|>>> draft - at least that will tell you what you are getting into shallow
|>>> waters.
|>>
|>> On my previous Parker, I had a Furuno fishfinder in the cabin and a
|>> Lowrance fishfinder mounted in the cockpit. They were wired to different
|>> transducers on opposite sides of the transom. The transducers were
|>> different frequencies. Both units worked just fine, even when both were
|>> operating at the same time.
|>>
|>> Thus, the answer to the question of two transducers is - maybe.
|>
|> Um...what frequencies?
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|I don't remember. They were installed in 2003, and I sold that boat off
|last year, but before installing them, I spoke with someone at Lowrance,
|and he said the two frequencies would not interfere with each other.
SWAG would be.... 50/200 kHz
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:36:53 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61 DeleteThis @comcast.net>
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>Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>> With respect to shallow water performance, that's natural. Get within
>> five feet of the bottom and the signal return will be overpowering and
>> produce nothing but hash. Plus, if the bottom is muddy, you can get
>> false returns to hard bottom. I've turned down the sensitivity on my
>> Raymarine DS600 to zero and still can't get a reliable reading under 5
>> feet.
>>
>> Shallow water fishing is mostly sight fishing anyway. Even in deeper
>> water, depending on the species, it's mostly sight fishing.
>>
>> The best way to handle this situation is to set the offset for your
>> draft - at least that will tell you what you are getting into shallow
>> waters.
>
>Thank you for the replies. Part of our issue here, is it could be times
>in 2-3 ft of water and it is murky enough to not have a clear vision of
>the bottom. In Matlacha pass with the numerous oyster bars, one must
>exercise extreme caution.
>
>It appears my dilema is reduced to a Garmin unit for up top and
>hopefully they make a splitter for both units to share the transducer,
>or replace it all with another brand.
>
>For today, its more a matter of tying everything down and put away, as
>Fay is coming. I hope she's a kind soul and nothing like her sisters
>Wilma or Katrina.
Garmin does not make a signal splitter that I'm aware of. Humminbird
does, but..well, Humminbird has had quality issues. Raymarine has one
for the DS series finders as does Lowrance.
The problem with splitting the signal is signal degradation. I have
no experience with splitting the transducer of a depth finder, but in
RF land, it does. >> Stay informed about: Shallow Water Depth Finders |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:16:03 -0400, hk <payer33859.DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
>Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:53:28 -0400, hk <payer33859.DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0400, DownTime <DownTime61.DeleteThis@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> - Can you put two different transducers, from two different
>>>>> manufacturers on the same stern and each will function accordingly? I
>>>>> guess I am wondering of Garmin's transducer and branx X's(assuming I go
>>>>> that route) might interfere with each other.
>>>> Well, no - not on a small boat. The two signals will interfere with
>>>> each other. Even at twenty feet or so, they will interfere - I have a
>>>> transducer mounted on my trolling motor which is 21 feet away from the
>>>> stern and they still interfere with each other.
>>>>
>>>> Has to do with the angle of the beam.
>>>>
>>>> With respect to shallow water performance, that's natural. Get within
>>>> five feet of the bottom and the signal return will be overpowering and
>>>> produce nothing but hash. Plus, if the bottom is muddy, you can get
>>>> false returns to hard bottom. I've turned down the sensitivity on my
>>>> Raymarine DS600 to zero and still can't get a reliable reading under 5
>>>> feet.
>>>>
>>>> Shallow water fishing is mostly sight fishing anyway. Even in deeper
>>>> water, depending on the species, it's mostly sight fishing.
>>>>
>>>> The best way to handle this situation is to set the offset for your
>>>> draft - at least that will tell you what you are getting into shallow
>>>> waters.
>>>
>>> On my previous Parker, I had a Furuno fishfinder in the cabin and a
>>> Lowrance fishfinder mounted in the cockpit. They were wired to different
>>> transducers on opposite sides of the transom. The transducers were
>>> different frequencies. Both units worked just fine, even when both were
>>> operating at the same time.
>>>
>>> Thus, the answer to the question of two transducers is - maybe.
>>
>> Um...what frequencies?
>
>I don't remember. They were installed in 2003, and I sold that boat off
>last year, but before installing them, I spoke with someone at Lowrance,
>and he said the two frequencies would not interfere with each other.
Two seperate frequencies is a different issue than two at the same
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