Where to Sell Boat Plan Package on eBay?

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Steve wrote:
 > I have a complete set of drawings and construction details for the ENDURANCE
 > 35 (both strip plank and ferro cement) that I want to sell on eBay but I
 > can't find a catagory where interested builders might find the ad.
 >
 > Most every catgory is for model sail boats or magazine plans.
 >
 > Does anyone have any recommendations..
 >
 > No, this isn't a shameless advertisement but your welcome to read it as
 > such. )
 >
 > Steve
 > s/v Good Intentions
 >
 >

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Thanks. Those are the two that I noted during my search. They both seem in
appropriate but the only place I found with small boat plans.

I think I'm just frustrated that they stuck Boats in the eBay motors main
catagory.. I objected strongly when this happened a couple years ago.. Kinda
makes me feel like they are sticking all the boats and gear on the back
corner of a used car lot. Ya know what I mean??

It seems that there would be enough boats and equipment for sale that they
would be entitled to their own main catogory, just like cars and real
estate..

Steve
s/v Good Intentions
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:42:06 -0800, "Steve" <esteve DeleteThis @hctc.com> vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Beware the legalities of onselling used plans.

 >I have a complete set of drawings and construction details for the ENDURANCE
 >35 (both strip plank and ferro cement) that I want to sell on eBay but I
 >can't find a catagory where interested builders might find the ad.
 >
 >Most every catgory is for model sail boats or magazine plans.
 >
 >Does anyone have any recommendations..
 >
 >No, this isn't a shameless advertisement but your welcome to read it as
 >such. )
 >
 >Steve
 >s/v Good Intentions
 >

**************************************************** sorry

..........no I'm not!
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

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 >
 > Beware the legalities of onselling used plans.
 >

These plans were purchase with license to build one boat. I have never built
that boat.. There shouldn't be any problem selling them to anyone else.

Steve
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:21:31 GMT, Old Nick <nsnfwhite.DeleteThis@dodo.net.au>
wrote:

 >On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:42:06 -0800, "Steve" <esteve.DeleteThis@hctc.com> vaguely
 >proposed a theory
 >......and in reply I say!:
 > remove ns from my header address to reply via email
 >
 >Beware the legalities of onselling used plans.


Yeah, as far as I know, plans can only legally be used to produce one
boat. Additional royalties must be paid for additional boats.

I'm sure Steve knows that, though.

-m

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Actually, in looking through all of the paper work and correspondences, I
don't see any License Agreement.

Bare in mind that these plans are the result fo a design competition
sponsored by the Intenational Amateur Boat Building Society (iabbs).
Followed by promotion, sale and distribution.

As a submitted entry for the second 'iabbs' design competition this Peter
Ibold design would have became the property of 'iabbs'. However, no where on
the drawing or 'iabbs' liturature do I see any copyright markings or notes.

Therefore I have no reservations about selling these drawing for the purpose
of building that 'single' boat.

Steve

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Max Camirand <sour.DeleteThis@nospam.student.undip.ac.id> wrote in message news:<n0jd60153emq7ro98j6vj0tfe2aj4miu6g.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...
 > On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:21:31 GMT, Old Nick <nsnfwhite.DeleteThis@dodo.net.au>
 > wrote:
 >
  > >On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:42:06 -0800, "Steve" <esteve.DeleteThis@hctc.com> vaguely
  > >proposed a theory
  > >......and in reply I say!:
  > > remove ns from my header address to reply via email
  > >
  > >Beware the legalities of onselling used plans.

Unless otherwise noted in the plans, the only legality he has to worry
about is weather it meets current (at time of sale, not when drawn)
safety regulations. Even selling old plans, you are supposed to adjust
or ammend for this purpose, many designers don't, and I don't know
what you would do about a book like the Gardner books... Many of those
boats are not considered safe by todays standards, but of course these
are safe boats for people with brains...

 >
 >
 > Yeah, as far as I know, plans can only legally be used to produce one
 > boat. Additional royalties must be paid for additional boats.
 >
 > I'm sure Steve knows that, though.
 >
 > -m
 >
 > ----
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I'm not sure of what safety regulations your talking about.. ABYC, USCG, ??

The boat designs that I have dealt with never got down to such detail. These
element are left to the builder wisdom and discretion.. Even if your talking
about fastener types or material, that is also left to the builder.

Load and passenger capacity plate? Nah! not applicable in a 38 ft boat.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions
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I think category placement only impacts those who actually drill down and
browse by clicking ...an extremely inefficient way of looking through eBay
stuff. Most people, including myself, just do a search on keywords ...and
*still* have too much to look through. I'm thinking that the boat plans
will get found just fine regardless of where they are put. I'm betting
99.9% of the eBay crowd are doing searches just like me.

Brian


"Steve" <esteve.DeleteThis@hctc.com> wrote in message
news:zYqdnSebEfVV6fvdRVn-tw@whidbeytel.com...
 > Thanks. Those are the two that I noted during my search. They both seem in
 > appropriate but the only place I found with small boat plans.
 >
 > I think I'm just frustrated that they stuck Boats in the eBay motors main
 > catagory.. I objected strongly when this happened a couple years ago..
Kinda
 > makes me feel like they are sticking all the boats and gear on the back
 > corner of a used car lot. Ya know what I mean??
 >
 > It seems that there would be enough boats and equipment for sale that they
 > would be entitled to their own main catogory, just like cars and real
 > estate..
 >
 > Steve
 > s/v Good Intentions
 >
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I also do most of my shopping on ebay using the search engine and have good
results. I will admit I'm often surprised at finding a nice piece of boat
gear of nautical cruising guide in some totally unrelated catagory..

However, it is also helpful to have the item in and appropriate catagory to
'catch the eye' of someone just browsing around. I suspect that the majority
of impulse purchases are from browsing rather than searching.. I'm talking
about the guy who never knew he was looking for a set of sail boat plans..
;o)

Steve
s/v Good Intentions
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And many of today's so-called safe boats will kill you quicker than
Gardner's designs. Bureaucrats... who needs them?

Brian


"Backyard Renegade" <skcusemans.TakeThisOut@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
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 > Max Camirand <sour.TakeThisOut@nospam.student.undip.ac.id> wrote in message
news:<n0jd60153emq7ro98j6vj0tfe2aj4miu6g.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
  > > On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:21:31 GMT, Old Nick <nsnfwhite.TakeThisOut@dodo.net.au>
  > > wrote:
  > >
   > > >On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:42:06 -0800, "Steve" <esteve.TakeThisOut@hctc.com> vaguely
   > > >proposed a theory
   > > >......and in reply I say!:
   > > > remove ns from my header address to reply via email
   > > >
   > > >Beware the legalities of onselling used plans.
 >
 > Unless otherwise noted in the plans, the only legality he has to worry
 > about is weather it meets current (at time of sale, not when drawn)
 > safety regulations. Even selling old plans, you are supposed to adjust
 > or ammend for this purpose, many designers don't, and I don't know
 > what you would do about a book like the Gardner books... Many of those
 > boats are not considered safe by todays standards, but of course these
 > are safe boats for people with brains...
 >
  > >
  > >
  > > Yeah, as far as I know, plans can only legally be used to produce one
  > > boat. Additional royalties must be paid for additional boats.
  > >
  > > I'm sure Steve knows that, though.
  > >
  > > -m
  > >
  > > ----
  > > Boatbuilder-friendly small sawmill in Ottawa/Gatineau region.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I think that as a designer, the only safety regs you have to follow are the
USCG rules, which have less to do with boat design than they have to do with
systems and things like loading and powering. If you're a manufacturer,
then following ABYC guidelines are a good idea since there is a lot of court
precedent that says if you don't, then you chose to be liable. As anybody
with a boat, buying or building or owning, following ABYC guidelines makes
good sense since most if not all were derived from real-life issues and
experiences. Anyway, this is how I understand it. I'd love to be corrected
if I'm wrong...

Brian


"Steve" <esteve.TakeThisOut@hctc.com> wrote in message
news:_tudndLsNpThqfrd4p2dnA@whidbeytel.com...
 > I'm not sure of what safety regulations your talking about.. ABYC, USCG,
??
 >
 > The boat designs that I have dealt with never got down to such detail.
These
 > element are left to the builder wisdom and discretion.. Even if your
talking
 > about fastener types or material, that is also left to the builder.
 >
 > Load and passenger capacity plate? Nah! not applicable in a 38 ft boat.
 >
 > Steve
 > s/v Good Intentions
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Steve" <esteve RemoveThis @hctc.com> wrote in message news:<_tudndLsNpThqfrd4p2dnA RemoveThis @whidbeytel.com>...
 > I'm not sure of what safety regulations your talking about.. ABYC, USCG, ??
 >
 > The boat designs that I have dealt with never got down to such detail. These
 > element are left to the builder wisdom and discretion.. Even if your talking
 > about fastener types or material, that is also left to the builder.
 >
 > Load and passenger capacity plate? Nah! not applicable in a 38 ft boat.
 >
 > Steve
 > s/v Good Intentions

Ah, yeah I really was not paying attention, a 38 footer does not need
the same stuff as the boats I build. Anyway Steve, how much do you
want for the plans?
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