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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:00 am
Post subject: SSB to shore?
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Did a search for my question, but didn't find anything, so if I missed
this, I apologize.
Getting ready to sail a new boat from San Francisco to Newport, OR in
May, and we'd like to let the home folks know every couple of days that
everything is OK (or not). So my question, is there was a way to use
SSB to communicate with a shore based phone line? Something on the
order of using the SSB to call either a phone, or a shore station that
could relay a message, or something.
I've read on this forum how to use the SSB to send/receive email, and
we'll be working that issue, but wondered if there was a simple, legal
way to "phone home".
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:50 pm
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In article <1112889614.106194.318350.TakeThisOut@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Wellfooled" <wellfooled.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Did a search for my question, but didn't find anything, so if I missed
> this, I apologize.
>
> Getting ready to sail a new boat from San Francisco to Newport, OR in
> May, and we'd like to let the home folks know every couple of days that
> everything is OK (or not). So my question, is there was a way to use
> SSB to communicate with a shore based phone line? Something on the
> order of using the SSB to call either a phone, or a shore station that
> could relay a message, or something.
>
> I've read on this forum how to use the SSB to send/receive email, and
> we'll be working that issue, but wondered if there was a simple, legal
> way to "phone home".
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
There are very FEW Public Coast MF/HF Stations left operating along
US Coastal Waters, since AT&T closed KMI, WOO, and WOM a few years back.
I don't think there are ANY Regional MF Stations at all any more.
You could find one of the Private Coast MF/HF Stations that might handle
you message traffic, but very few, if any, of those have Phonepatch
capabilities. Your best bet, is to get a Ham Operator onboard as a crew
member, and have him run your traffic thru the Ham Radio Networks. I
know a few of these type guys, who specifically crew delivery voyages,
just for this purpose.
Bruce in alaska
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:17 pm
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"Bruce in Alaska" <bruceg.RemoveThis@btpost.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1112889614.106194.318350.RemoveThis@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> "Wellfooled" <wellfooled.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Did a search for my question, but didn't find anything, so if I missed
> > this, I apologize.
> >
> > Getting ready to sail a new boat from San Francisco to Newport, OR in
> > May, and we'd like to let the home folks know every couple of days that
> > everything is OK (or not). So my question, is there was a way to use
> > SSB to communicate with a shore based phone line? Something on the
> > order of using the SSB to call either a phone, or a shore station that
> > could relay a message, or something.
> >
> > I've read on this forum how to use the SSB to send/receive email, and
> > we'll be working that issue, but wondered if there was a simple, legal
> > way to "phone home".
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help.
> >
>
> There are very FEW Public Coast MF/HF Stations left operating along
> US Coastal Waters, since AT&T closed KMI, WOO, and WOM a few years back.
> I don't think there are ANY Regional MF Stations at all any more.
> You could find one of the Private Coast MF/HF Stations that might handle
> you message traffic, but very few, if any, of those have Phonepatch
> capabilities. Your best bet, is to get a Ham Operator onboard as a crew
> member, and have him run your traffic thru the Ham Radio Networks. I
> know a few of these type guys, who specifically crew delivery voyages,
> just for this purpose.
>
>
> Bruce in alaska
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> add a <2> before @
I agree about the ham types. I suggest a simple HF Amateur Position
Reporting System (APRS) so exact GPS position reporting is sent out and any
family/relatives, etc., may access the APRS web site and type in a FindU
command and follow your progress. Do a web search on APRS and you will be
surprised what ham are doing with this technology. They even track search
and rescue dogs equipped with GPS and VHF/UHF flea power transmitters.
73
Doug K7ABX >> Stay informed about: SSB to shore? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:17 pm
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Is APRS runnng on HF? Last I used it, it was only operating
on VHF.
Doug, k3qt
"Doug" <dougm.TakeThisOut@rodgersmarine.com> wrote in message
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> "Bruce in Alaska" <bruceg.TakeThisOut@btpost.net> wrote in message
> news:bruceg-4A7FFF.10503907042005@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
>> In article <1112889614.106194.318350.TakeThisOut@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Wellfooled" <wellfooled.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Did a search for my question, but didn't find anything, so if I missed
>> > this, I apologize.
>> >
>> > Getting ready to sail a new boat from San Francisco to Newport, OR in
>> > May, and we'd like to let the home folks know every couple of days that
>> > everything is OK (or not). So my question, is there was a way to use
>> > SSB to communicate with a shore based phone line? Something on the
>> > order of using the SSB to call either a phone, or a shore station that
>> > could relay a message, or something.
>> >
>> > I've read on this forum how to use the SSB to send/receive email, and
>> > we'll be working that issue, but wondered if there was a simple, legal
>> > way to "phone home".
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance for any help.
>> >
>>
>> There are very FEW Public Coast MF/HF Stations left operating along
>> US Coastal Waters, since AT&T closed KMI, WOO, and WOM a few years back.
>> I don't think there are ANY Regional MF Stations at all any more.
>> You could find one of the Private Coast MF/HF Stations that might handle
>> you message traffic, but very few, if any, of those have Phonepatch
>> capabilities. Your best bet, is to get a Ham Operator onboard as a crew
>> member, and have him run your traffic thru the Ham Radio Networks. I
>> know a few of these type guys, who specifically crew delivery voyages,
>> just for this purpose.
>>
>>
>> Bruce in alaska
>> --
>> add a <2> before @
>
> I agree about the ham types. I suggest a simple HF Amateur Position
> Reporting System (APRS) so exact GPS position reporting is sent out and
> any
> family/relatives, etc., may access the APRS web site and type in a FindU
> command and follow your progress. Do a web search on APRS and you will be
> surprised what ham are doing with this technology. They even track search
> and rescue dogs equipped with GPS and VHF/UHF flea power transmitters.
> 73
> Doug K7ABX
>
> >> Stay informed about: SSB to shore? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:30 pm
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"Doug Dotson" <dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote in news:Tq-
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> Is APRS runnng on HF? Last I used it, it was only operating
> on VHF.
>
> Doug, k3qt
>
Tune your HF receiver to 10.151 LSB and listen to the APRS network on HF.
It's at the very top of the 30 meter band. The two tone modulation on LSB
puts it a hairs width inside the ham band.
30 meters works great 24/7 most of the time. >> Stay informed about: SSB to shore? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:20 pm
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I'll check it out. I had very good luck with the position locator
in Winlink while cruising. Family and friends got a real kick
out of knowing where we were.
Doug, k3qt
"Larry W4CSC" <noone.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Doug Dotson" <dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote in news:Tq-
> dnSziVa8ZvsbfRVn-hQ.TakeThisOut@cablespeedmd.com:
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>> Is APRS runnng on HF? Last I used it, it was only operating
>> on VHF.
>>
>> Doug, k3qt
>>
>
> Tune your HF receiver to 10.151 LSB and listen to the APRS network on HF.
> It's at the very top of the 30 meter band. The two tone modulation on LSB
> puts it a hairs width inside the ham band.
>
> 30 meters works great 24/7 most of the time.
> >> Stay informed about: SSB to shore? |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:03 pm
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:30:57 -0400, Larry W4CSC <noone DeleteThis @home.com>
wrote:
>Tune your HF receiver to 10.151 LSB and listen to the APRS network on HF.
>It's at the very top of the 30 meter band. The two tone modulation on LSB
>puts it a hairs width inside the ham band.
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Larry, what else do you need to transmit or receive the position
reports on 10.151? >> Stay informed about: SSB to shore? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:14 pm
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The entire setup consists of a radio, TNC, GPS, and a computer.
Doug, k3qt
"Wayne.B" <waynebatrecdotboats.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:30:57 -0400, Larry W4CSC <noone.TakeThisOut@home.com>
> wrote:
>>Tune your HF receiver to 10.151 LSB and listen to the APRS network on HF.
>>It's at the very top of the 30 meter band. The two tone modulation on LSB
>>puts it a hairs width inside the ham band.
>
> =====================================
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> Larry, what else do you need to transmit or receive the position
> reports on 10.151?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:39 pm
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Plus a General class or higher amateur license
krj
Doug Dotson wrote:
> The entire setup consists of a radio, TNC, GPS, and a computer.
>
> Doug, k3qt
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> "Wayne.B" <waynebatrecdotboats.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3evo515299ci2h3qrndflp8g4jbo93ujm0@4ax.com...
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>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:30:57 -0400, Larry W4CSC <noone.RemoveThis@home.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Tune your HF receiver to 10.151 LSB and listen to the APRS network on HF.
>>>It's at the very top of the 30 meter band. The two tone modulation on LSB
>>>puts it a hairs width inside the ham band.
>>
>>=====================================
>>
>>Larry, what else do you need to transmit or receive the position
>>reports on 10.151?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:23 pm
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:22:38 -0400, Larry W4CSC <noone.RemoveThis@home.com>
wrote:
>A computer and packet TNC (terminal node controller), which is like a
>special modem for packet HF radio. To operate on HF, you'd need a TNC made
>for HF, not VHF. On VHF we operate 1200 baud with wide shift. On HF, we
>are limited to 300 baud and very narrow shift. The Kantronics KAM '98 is
>such a modem:
======================
Thanks.
Several more questions:
Is the Kantronics TNC comparable to something like the SCS PTC-IIpro
which is the recommended unit for SailMail?
How would you automate sending a new position packet every hour or so?
Is there any acknowledgement that your position report was correctly
received?
Can a position report be sent to APRS via EMAIL? >> Stay informed about: SSB to shore? |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:16 am
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"Wayne.B" <waynebatrecdotboats.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:22:38 -0400, Larry W4CSC <noone.RemoveThis@home.com>
> wrote:
>>A computer and packet TNC (terminal node controller), which is like a
>>special modem for packet HF radio. To operate on HF, you'd need a TNC
>>made
>>for HF, not VHF. On VHF we operate 1200 baud with wide shift. On HF, we
>>are limited to 300 baud and very narrow shift. The Kantronics KAM '98 is
>>such a modem:
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> ======================
>
> Thanks.
>
> Several more questions:
>
> Is the Kantronics TNC comparable to something like the SCS PTC-IIpro
> which is the recommended unit for SailMail?
They have alot of the same features except for the one you really need
for SailMail. That being Pactor II and Pactor III modes. The SCS TNCs
are the only ones to offer it because it is proprietary.
> How would you automate sending a new position packet every hour or so?
The TNC does that for you. At least my KAM Plus does.
> Is there any acknowledgement that your position report was correctly
> received?
I'm not sure, but I don;t think so. The position reporting used by Winlink
is
though. I don;t beleive SailMail has any position reporting feature but I
haven't used SailMail for a couple of years.
> Can a position report be sent to APRS via EMAIL?
Not as far as I know, but check their website for lots of details.
www.aprs.org
Doug, k3qt
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:37 pm
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"Doug Dotson" <dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote in
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> All the above mentioned TNCs are computerized.
>
> Doug,k3qt
> s/v Callista
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Just so noone gets too confused, after you have your APRS TNC up and
running, you no longer need to have the computer terminal program connected
to it to RUN its internal APRS-activated firmware. You plug the GPS data
straight into the modem's serial port for constant RMC statement updates
and it regularly transmits its ARPS broadcast packets on the HF and VHF
transmitters connected to it..... >> Stay informed about: SSB to shore? |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:42 pm
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Just to verify Larry, the KAM Plus can be set up to automatically
send you position. No computer is required once it is set up. I used
mine in VHF for quite a while like this.
Doug, k3qt
s/v CAllista
"Larry W4CSC" <noone.RemoveThis@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Doug Dotson" <dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote in
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>> All the above mentioned TNCs are computerized.
>>
>> Doug,k3qt
>> s/v Callista
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> Just so noone gets too confused, after you have your APRS TNC up and
> running, you no longer need to have the computer terminal program
> connected
> to it to RUN its internal APRS-activated firmware. You plug the GPS data
> straight into the modem's serial port for constant RMC statement updates
> and it regularly transmits its ARPS broadcast packets on the HF and VHF
> transmitters connected to it.....
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:23 am
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"Doug Dotson" <dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote in
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> Just to verify Larry
Gee....I've never been "verified", before. ...(c;
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:38 am
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:42:27 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
<dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom> wrote:
>Just to verify Larry, the KAM Plus can be set up to automatically
>send you position. No computer is required once it is set up. I used
>mine in VHF for quite a while like this.
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Any idea if the SCS PTC-II can do the same thing, i.e., broadcast APRS
position reports without an attached computer? >> Stay informed about: SSB to shore? |
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