Rejected at the other place..;) Boating post...

Why this was rejected, I don't know, the keyword it noted, is not in
the post.... Anyway, here is my attempt to bring things back into
perspective.. Trolls and posers will be ignored..

<SNIP>
First off, I need to apologize for not sticking to it in the first
place.. Anyway, one poster suggested I don't know anything because I
question Tolmanns' decision to call his boat a "stitch and tape". I
will note that the whole quote was more "stitch and tape, OR composite
type".. Toleman was doing what a lot of modern plan builders do, using
familiar terms the prospective "non boat builder", builder will
understand. The Toleman for instance calls for one area to be
stitched, but it is certainly not a stitch and tape boat, it is a
composite, skin on frame. IIRC the frame of chines, stringers, and
bulkheads. Many times we use more familiar terms.. I don't call a
Gunnels, a shear strake, I don't call a seat, a thwart, I don't use
terms like "get out the wood"...It would just server to confuse a
newb, and for no productive reason, save ego in this day and age..
Toleman uses terms that folks won't have to go look up, and calling a
s+t boat, a composite, or vice versa, is no big deal, and not really
all that far off. To suggest because someone knows the difference and
though it might be useful in the context of a boating forum...


Stitch and tape boats are typically self jigging, and built with
precut and sized parts. Using tools such as a Spanish Windlass and
pulling the parts together, form the shape. They gain their strength
via a false "frame" which is created at the intersection of curved
laminate, adhered
against each others angles, creating very strong and stable joints. If
engineered properly, they are stable in all directions and are usually
made with resin and glass. The biggest difference between
stitch and tape, and skin on frame is, on a skin on frame, wood or
another material create a frame, the skins are bent around them. With
S+T the frame itself is created by the strength created at the
intersections of the curved laminate sheets..

I remember when I was a kid, some add that had a Volkswagen sitting on
a simple sheet of curved plywood. A very slight curve in a laminate
created a huge amount of structure, but you all knew that...

<UNSNIP>

The keyword that was noted was "liar" but I don't see where it got
that... Have fun, trolls will be ignored...

On Aug 22, 8:41 pm, John H. <salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:37:26 -0400, "Eisboch" <r... RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> ><justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:fe73df92-01be-4e51-acbc-7f1c520102a7@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com....
> >> Why this was rejected, I don't know, the keyword it noted, is not in
> >> the post....  Anyway, here is my attempt to bring things back into
> >> perspective.. Trolls and posers will be ignored..
>
> >> <SNIP>
> >> First off, I need to apologize for not sticking to it in the first
> >> place.. Anyway, one poster suggested I don't know anything because I
> >> question Tolmanns' decision to call his boat a "stitch and tape". I
> >> will note that the whole quote was more "stitch and tape, OR composite
> >> type".. Toleman was doing what a lot of modern plan builders do, using
> >> familiar terms the prospective "non boat builder", builder will
> >> understand. The Toleman for instance calls for one area to be
> >> stitched, but it is certainly not a stitch and tape boat, it is a
> >> composite, skin on frame. IIRC the frame of  chines, stringers,  and
> >> bulkheads.  Many times we use more familiar terms.. I don't call a
> >> Gunnels, a shear strake, I don't call a seat, a thwart, I don't use
> >> terms like "get out the wood"...It would just server to confuse a
> >> newb, and for no productive reason, save ego in this day and age..
> >> Toleman uses terms that folks won't have to go look up, and calling a
> >> s+t boat, a composite, or vice versa, is no big deal, and not really
> >> all that far off. To suggest because someone knows the difference and
> >> though it might be useful in the context of a boating forum...
>
> >> Stitch and tape boats are typically self jigging, and built with
> >> precut and sized parts. Using tools such as a Spanish Windlass and
> >> pulling the parts together, form the shape. They gain their strength
> >> via a false "frame" which is created at the intersection of curved
> >> laminate, adhered
> >> against each others angles, creating very strong and stable joints. If
> >> engineered properly, they are stable in all directions and are usually
> >> made  with resin and glass. The biggest difference between
> >> stitch and tape, and skin on frame is, on a skin on frame, wood or
> >> another material create a frame, the skins are bent around them. With
> >> S+T the frame itself is created by the strength created at the
> >> intersections of the curved laminate sheets..
>
> >> I remember when I was a kid, some add that had a Volkswagen sitting on
> >> a simple sheet of curved plywood. A very slight curve in a laminate
> >> created a huge amount of structure, but you all knew that...
>
> >> <UNSNIP>
>
> >> The keyword that was noted was "liar" but I don't see where it got
> >> that... Have fun, trolls will be ignored...
>
> >I don't know what you are apologizing for.   The boats you build are well
> >beyond the capabilities of the majority of us.
>
> >Your skin is too thin, my friend.
>
> >Eisboch
>
> I think he was apologizing for letting Harry's negative comments get to
> him.
>
> From what I've seen, he does some beautiful work.

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