Perkins diesel questions

Old Perkins Diesel questions:
I have questions for diesel experts on this forum about "detuning" my
Perkins 6 cylinder Turbo diesels. I would also welcome suggestions for
other forums where this might be posted.

Background: I have a 34' Silverton hull that I have rebuilt as a pilot
house trawler. The boat is powered by twin 354" 180HP Perkins 6 cylinder
turbo diesels. This is WAY more power than I ever need for this boat. I
run it like a trawler even though it is a planing style deep V hull design.
These motors have given me more than 1200 hours of reliable operation
loafing along at 1200 to 1300 RPM.

I wish to simplify the plumbing on the motors to have fewer maintenance
items and gain space in the engine room. My first choice would be to find
someone with a similar pair of normally aspirated Perkins and do an even
swap. But that is likely to be hard to find.

Second choice is to get rid of some of the turbo related plumbing on my
motors. I am well aware of all the differences in injection pump specs
between normally aspirated and turbo diesels.

A good place to begin would be removing the large, bulky intercoolers and
running the turbo outlet directly to the intake manifold. There would be a
huge gain in engine room space and accessibility, and I would not have to
maintain the intercoolers. MY OPINION is that the importance of the
intercooler increases as the diesel gets closer to full throttle operation.
My guess is that at half throttle or less as I use these motors, I would not
notice much difference without the intercoolers. The fuel /air mix at
cumbustion would be a little less dense, but not greatly so. Opinions?

A third choice is to remove the turbo's all together. At idle, a turbo does
very little. But I suspect that you would get quite a rich mixture and a
smokey exhaust at even moderate loads. Does anyone have experience (perhaps
through losing a turbo while on a long cruise) with how well a turbo diesel
works at low to mid power without a turbo?

Thanks for any input (or even speculation) - Tom
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"tkranz" <tkranz.RemoveThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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 > Old Perkins Diesel questions:
 > I have questions for diesel experts on this forum about "detuning" my
 > Perkins 6 cylinder Turbo diesels. I would also welcome suggestions for
 > other forums where this might be posted.
 >
 > Background: I have a 34' Silverton hull that I have rebuilt as a pilot
 > house trawler. The boat is powered by twin 354" 180HP Perkins 6 cylinder
 > turbo diesels. This is WAY more power than I ever need for this boat. I
 > run it like a trawler even though it is a planing style deep V hull
design.
 > These motors have given me more than 1200 hours of reliable operation
 > loafing along at 1200 to 1300 RPM.
 >
 > I wish to simplify the plumbing on the motors to have fewer maintenance
 > items and gain space in the engine room. My first choice would be to find
 > someone with a similar pair of normally aspirated Perkins and do an even
 > swap. But that is likely to be hard to find.
 >
 > Second choice is to get rid of some of the turbo related plumbing on my
 > motors. I am well aware of all the differences in injection pump specs
 > between normally aspirated and turbo diesels.
 >
 > A good place to begin would be removing the large, bulky intercoolers and
 > running the turbo outlet directly to the intake manifold. There would be
a
 > huge gain in engine room space and accessibility, and I would not have to
 > maintain the intercoolers. MY OPINION is that the importance of the
 > intercooler increases as the diesel gets closer to full throttle
operation.
 > My guess is that at half throttle or less as I use these motors, I would
not
 > notice much difference without the intercoolers. The fuel /air mix at
 > cumbustion would be a little less dense, but not greatly so. Opinions?
 >
 > A third choice is to remove the turbo's all together. At idle, a turbo
does
 > very little. But I suspect that you would get quite a rich mixture and a
 > smokey exhaust at even moderate loads. Does anyone have experience
(perhaps
 > through losing a turbo while on a long cruise) with how well a turbo
diesel
 > works at low to mid power without a turbo?
 >
 > Thanks for any input (or even speculation) - Tom
 > respond here or: removing percent signs: t%k%r%a%n%z1234@%a%t%t.net
 >

Try to find the Perkins engien number/typ/model and also the injector pump
model and number if you can. Take that to your local diesel fuel injection
specialist (the one who works for the truck people) and ask if this is
enough for him to reset the injector pumps (it should be, but it is possible
the turbocharged engine has different pumps).

If the man says yes, and you know how to retime them, take the pumps off and
get the reset. Remover the turbos and intercooler (exhaust plumbing may not
be that easy, but you could strip the turbo and remove the impellor and
turbine, replacing the with distance pieces of suitable thickness, and just
remove the intercoolers). Refit the air cleaner.

Tony Brooks<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->