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Steve B.

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:55 pm
Post subject: Pelican/Coleman canoe seat separation
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Wonder if anyone's seen anything like this before?
http://www.geocities.com/sblume/download3.jpg
http://www.pelican-intl.com/touring.html
http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=A17M01...ategory

This is the second season of lake canoeing for us. The water can get a bit
choppy. Sunlight on the black seats heat them up pretty good. Except for
the trip from the dealer, the canoe has not been transported. A couple of
weeks ago we noticed tears in the midships and bow seats. The midships seat
has never been used. There are three tears, each about two inches long at
the 90 degree bend where the seat meets the gunnel.When we contacted the
dealer, he in turn contacted Pelican. We were advised that the separation
was likely from canoeing without the seat pedestals, (no, never done that)
and they could send us some metal brackets to patch the tears. They did not
offer to replace the seats, in spite of a "two year limited warrantee".
Anyone have a similar experience?

Steve
sblume at yahoo dot com

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Courtney

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Pelican/Coleman canoe seat separation [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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From looking at that picture, that is so much of a manufacturer warranty
issue that I can't understand why they wouldn't replace it. I worked in the
industry, though not for Coleman or Pelican, and can see clearly that they
should replace this. Did you send them the picture? I'm assuming that you
did. Have you tried calling them and talking to a manager or even the
president of the company?

Courtney

"Steve B." <aon.913076049REMOVE DeleteThis @aon.at> wrote in message
news:4527879d$0$26611$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at...
> Wonder if anyone's seen anything like this before?
> http://www.geocities.com/sblume/download3.jpg
> http://www.pelican-intl.com/touring.html
>
http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=A17M01...ategory
>
> This is the second season of lake canoeing for us. The water can get a
bit
> choppy. Sunlight on the black seats heat them up pretty good. Except for
> the trip from the dealer, the canoe has not been transported. A couple of
> weeks ago we noticed tears in the midships and bow seats. The midships
seat
> has never been used. There are three tears, each about two inches long at
> the 90 degree bend where the seat meets the gunnel.When we contacted the
> dealer, he in turn contacted Pelican. We were advised that the separation
> was likely from canoeing without the seat pedestals, (no, never done that)
> and they could send us some metal brackets to patch the tears. They did
not
> offer to replace the seats, in spite of a "two year limited warrantee".
> Anyone have a similar experience?
>
> Steve
> sblume at yahoo dot com
>
>

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Steve B.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Pelican/Coleman canoe seat separation [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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We sent a series of pics to the dealer, who in turn forwarded them to
Pelican. That Pelican offered to send the dealer a set of reinforcement
straps suggests they've run in to the problem before, which is why I posed
the question to the newsgroup. The dealer is forwarding our reluctance to
accept a makeshift solution to Pelican. I'm curious to see if the EU laws
do a better job of protecting the consumer.

Steve

"Courtney" <courtneynipper DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> From looking at that picture, that is so much of a manufacturer warranty
> issue that I can't understand why they wouldn't replace it. I worked in
> the
> industry, though not for Coleman or Pelican, and can see clearly that they
> should replace this. Did you send them the picture? I'm assuming that
> you
> did. Have you tried calling them and talking to a manager or even the
> president of the company?
>
> Courtney
>
> "Steve B." <aon.913076049REMOVE DeleteThis @aon.at> wrote in message
> news:4527879d$0$26611$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at...
>> Wonder if anyone's seen anything like this before?
>> http://www.geocities.com/sblume/download3.jpg
>> http://www.pelican-intl.com/touring.html
>>
> http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=A17M01...ategory
>>
>> This is the second season of lake canoeing for us. The water can get a
> bit
>> choppy. Sunlight on the black seats heat them up pretty good. Except
>> for
>> the trip from the dealer, the canoe has not been transported. A couple
>> of
>> weeks ago we noticed tears in the midships and bow seats. The midships
> seat
>> has never been used. There are three tears, each about two inches long
>> at
>> the 90 degree bend where the seat meets the gunnel.When we contacted the
>> dealer, he in turn contacted Pelican. We were advised that the
>> separation
>> was likely from canoeing without the seat pedestals, (no, never done
>> that)
>> and they could send us some metal brackets to patch the tears. They did
> not
>> offer to replace the seats, in spite of a "two year limited warrantee".
>> Anyone have a similar experience?
>>
>> Steve
>> sblume at yahoo dot com
>>
>>
>
>
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Steve Cramer

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:08 am
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Steve B. wrote:
>
> http://www.lauche-maas.de/suche_seite2/3E2FB099189622543BYQYy32A18B/hs...taL/hau
>
> 785 Euros / US$1000 is cheap?

Cheap? It's freaking outrageous. Those things go for US$569 over here.
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2131648&...711577&

What does a good ABS canoe (aka Canadian) cost in Germany? Wilko, any
info from the Netherlands?

Steve

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Athens, GA
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Steve B.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:26 pm
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"Steve Cramer" <cramersec.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Steve B. wrote:
>>
>> http://www.lauche-maas.de/suche_seite2/3E2FB099189622543BYQYy32A18B/hs...taL/hau
>>
>> 785 Euros / US$1000 is cheap?
>
> Cheap? It's freaking outrageous. Those things go for US$569 over here.
> http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2131648&...711577&
>
> What does a good ABS canoe (aka Canadian) cost in Germany? Wilko, any info
> from the Netherlands?
>
> Steve
>
> --
> Steve Cramer
> Athens, GA

Looking at a retailer in Germany, the 16 foot Old Town Penobscot goes for
around 1500 Euros, or nearly 1900 USD. The exchange rate is the killer, and
it doesn't look to improve. You don't know how good you've got it over
there, both for price and assortment. Ebay is an alternative, sometimes
with paddles and PFDs thrown in:
http://sport.listings.ebay.at/Ruder-Paddelboote_Canadier_W0QQfromZR4QQ...oZ1QQfs

Steve B.
Lake Wolfgang near Salzburg
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riverman

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:02 pm
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"Oci-One Kanubi" <rhopley.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Steve, unfortunately you may not have bought it cheap in absolute
> terms, but it is certainly the most cheaply manufactured canoe known to
> Americans, and it is about the cheapest in relative terms, here.
>
> But, having said that (and absent matters of detail like the seats, of
> which I've heard nothing) the Coleman turns out to be one of the most
> durable canoes on the American market.
>

Beg pardon? Durable only if you don't bump rocks, have a snowbank form on it
or drop it off your roofrack. Any canoe will be 'durable' if not subjected
to stresses, but Coleman's are notorious for having their aluminum skeletons
warp out of shape when subjected to forces that other boats rebound from.

--riverman
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rhopley

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:55 pm
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riverman wrote:
> "Oci-One Kanubi" <rhopley.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1160400954.870449.72410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Steve, unfortunately you may not have bought it cheap in absolute
> > terms, but it is certainly the most cheaply manufactured canoe known to
> > Americans, and it is about the cheapest in relative terms, here.
> >
> > But, having said that (and absent matters of detail like the seats, of
> > which I've heard nothing) the Coleman turns out to be one of the most
> > durable canoes on the American market.
> >
>
> Beg pardon? Durable only if you don't bump rocks, have a snowbank form on it
> or drop it off your roofrack. Any canoe will be 'durable' if not subjected
> to stresses, but Coleman's are notorious for having their aluminum skeletons
> warp out of shape when subjected to forces that other boats rebound from.
>
> --riverman
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