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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:23 pm
Post subject: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat
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Have any of you developed a successful method for patching a cracked
polyethylene boat (not crosslinked)? I have a '97 Dagger Cascade that has
cracked on the cowl where the pull strap on the skirt is located. I have
glued it (E6000) to a piece of plastic molded to fit. That failed. I
melted the crack shut with a soldering gun. That failed. I cut a strip of
plastic from around the combing and melted that in with a soldering gun.
That failed. I melted the whole area to glossy with a torch. That gave a
really nice finish and seemed to do it. That failed. It seems that new
cracks form in the vicinity of the repaired crack. It is really hard to get
a C-1 of any kind let alone this size so I really want to save the boat.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:24 am
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"Bob Gramann" <bobgramannnospam.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Have any of you developed a successful method for patching a cracked
> polyethylene boat (not crosslinked)? I have a '97 Dagger Cascade that has
> cracked on the cowl where the pull strap on the skirt is located. I have
> glued it (E6000) to a piece of plastic molded to fit. That failed. I
> melted the crack shut with a soldering gun. That failed. I cut a strip
> of plastic from around the combing and melted that in with a soldering
> gun. That failed. I melted the whole area to glossy with a torch. That
> gave a really nice finish and seemed to do it. That failed. It seems
> that new cracks form in the vicinity of the repaired crack. It is really
> hard to get a C-1 of any kind let alone this size so I really want to save
> the boat. Has anyone come up with a method that works?
>
That is why I went with composite. It may not be pretty, but, at least it
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:25 pm
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So are you recommending a composite patch or a new boat?
"Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale.DeleteThis@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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> "Bob Gramann" <bobgramannnospam.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:NOEBi.974$ih.579@trnddc01...
>> Have any of you developed a successful method for patching a cracked
>> polyethylene boat (not crosslinked)? I have a '97 Dagger Cascade that
>> has cracked on the cowl where the pull strap on the skirt is located. I
>> have glued it (E6000) to a piece of plastic molded to fit. That failed.
>> I melted the crack shut with a soldering gun. That failed. I cut a
>> strip of plastic from around the combing and melted that in with a
>> soldering gun. That failed. I melted the whole area to glossy with a
>> torch. That gave a really nice finish and seemed to do it. That failed.
>> It seems that new cracks form in the vicinity of the repaired crack. It
>> is really hard to get a C-1 of any kind let alone this size so I really
>> want to save the boat. Has anyone come up with a method that works?
>>
> That is why I went with composite. It may not be pretty, but, at least it
> will be solid.
> >> Stay informed about: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:38 pm
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If you have had that much dificulty in patching your boat, a new boat may be
your best option
Everything you listed seemed to be what would work, but it didnt.
Micheal
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"Bob Gramann" <bobgramannnospam DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
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> So are you recommending a composite patch or a new boat?
>
> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale DeleteThis @eastlink.ca> wrote in message
> news:aKMBi.2666$bO6.1543@edtnps89...
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>> "Bob Gramann" <bobgramannnospam DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:NOEBi.974$ih.579@trnddc01...
>>> Have any of you developed a successful method for patching a cracked
>>> polyethylene boat (not crosslinked)? I have a '97 Dagger Cascade that
>>> has cracked on the cowl where the pull strap on the skirt is located. I
>>> have glued it (E6000) to a piece of plastic molded to fit. That failed.
>>> I melted the crack shut with a soldering gun. That failed. I cut a
>>> strip of plastic from around the combing and melted that in with a
>>> soldering gun. That failed. I melted the whole area to glossy with a
>>> torch. That gave a really nice finish and seemed to do it. That
>>> failed. It seems that new cracks form in the vicinity of the repaired
>>> crack. It is really hard to get a C-1 of any kind let alone this size
>>> so I really want to save the boat. Has anyone come up with a method that
>>> works?
>>>
>> That is why I went with composite. It may not be pretty, but, at least it
>> will be solid.
>>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:11 pm
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Micheal Artindale wrote:
> If you have had that much dificulty in patching your boat, a new boat may be
> your best option
>
> Everything you listed seemed to be what would work, but it didnt.
>
> Micheal
> .
> "Bob Gramann" <bobgramannnospam.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:mFUBi.3$kI5.0@trnddc08...
>> So are you recommending a composite patch or a new boat?
>>
>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale.TakeThisOut@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>> news:aKMBi.2666$bO6.1543@edtnps89...
>>> "Bob Gramann" <bobgramannnospam.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:NOEBi.974$ih.579@trnddc01...
>>>> Have any of you developed a successful method for patching a cracked
>>>> polyethylene boat (not crosslinked)? I have a '97 Dagger Cascade that
>>>> has cracked on the cowl where the pull strap on the skirt is located. I
>>>> have glued it (E6000) to a piece of plastic molded to fit. That failed.
>>>> I melted the crack shut with a soldering gun. That failed. I cut a
>>>> strip of plastic from around the combing and melted that in with a
>>>> soldering gun. That failed. I melted the whole area to glossy with a
>>>> torch. That gave a really nice finish and seemed to do it. That
>>>> failed. It seems that new cracks form in the vicinity of the repaired
>>>> crack. It is really hard to get a C-1 of any kind let alone this size
>>>> so I really want to save the boat. Has anyone come up with a method that
>>>> works?
>>>>
If I were desperate, I would lay glass over the old combing, wrapping it
underneath by about 2". Charlie Walbridge's Boat Builder's Manual has
good instructions. Make it about1/8" thick. Once it's hardened and
trimmed on the top, cut it vertically at the front or back and remove it
from the boat. Then remove the old combing completely. Trim the bottom
of the fiberglass "ring". Finally, drill and pop-rivet the fiberglass
combing to the plastic, sealing it with silicone. Then glass over the
cut section.
Or you could buy a Millbrook Hornet, which is a composite version of a
shrunken Cascade. >> Stay informed about: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:42 pm
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Great idea. If all else fails, I will do that. Where can I get one of
these Millbrook Hornets?
--Bob
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> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>> If you have had that much dificulty in patching your boat, a new boat may
>> be your best option
>>
>> Everything you listed seemed to be what would work, but it didnt.
>>
>> Micheal
>> .
>> "Bob Gramann" <bobgramannnospam.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:mFUBi.3$kI5.0@trnddc08...
>>> So are you recommending a composite patch or a new boat?
>>>
>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale.DeleteThis@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:aKMBi.2666$bO6.1543@edtnps89...
>>>> "Bob Gramann" <bobgramannnospam.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:NOEBi.974$ih.579@trnddc01...
>>>>> Have any of you developed a successful method for patching a cracked
>>>>> polyethylene boat (not crosslinked)? I have a '97 Dagger Cascade that
>>>>> has cracked on the cowl where the pull strap on the skirt is located.
>>>>> I have glued it (E6000) to a piece of plastic molded to fit. That
>>>>> failed. I melted the crack shut with a soldering gun. That failed. I
>>>>> cut a strip of plastic from around the combing and melted that in with
>>>>> a soldering gun. That failed. I melted the whole area to glossy with
>>>>> a torch. That gave a really nice finish and seemed to do it. That
>>>>> failed. It seems that new cracks form in the vicinity of the repaired
>>>>> crack. It is really hard to get a C-1 of any kind let alone this size
>>>>> so I really want to save the boat. Has anyone come up with a method
>>>>> that works?
>>>>>
>
> If I were desperate, I would lay glass over the old combing, wrapping it
> underneath by about 2". Charlie Walbridge's Boat Builder's Manual has
> good instructions. Make it about1/8" thick. Once it's hardened and
> trimmed on the top, cut it vertically at the front or back and remove it
> from the boat. Then remove the old combing completely. Trim the bottom
> of the fiberglass "ring". Finally, drill and pop-rivet the fiberglass
> combing to the plastic, sealing it with silicone. Then glass over the cut
> section.
>
> Or you could buy a Millbrook Hornet, which is a composite version of a
> shrunken Cascade. >> Stay informed about: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:54 pm
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Bob Gramann wrote:
> Have any of you developed a successful method for patching a cracked
> polyethylene boat (not crosslinked)? I have a '97 Dagger Cascade that has
> cracked on the cowl where the pull strap on the skirt is located. I have
> glued it (E6000) to a piece of plastic molded to fit. That failed. I
> melted the crack shut with a soldering gun. That failed. I cut a strip of
> plastic from around the combing and melted that in with a soldering gun.
> That failed. I melted the whole area to glossy with a torch. That gave a
> really nice finish and seemed to do it. That failed. It seems that new
> cracks form in the vicinity of the repaired crack. It is really hard to get
> a C-1 of any kind let alone this size so I really want to save the boat.
> Has anyone come up with a method that works?
The best repair method is to weld the plastic with a plastic welder. You
can get them for as little as $30 from Harbor Freight. It sounds like
the crack you're trying to repair is longer than the repairs you're
making, so it just breaks over and over. Your best bet would probably be
to find the ends of the crack and drill holes there to provide stress
relief (a technique commonly used with aluminum), then weld up the holes
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:57 pm
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Bob Gramann wrote:
> Great idea. If all else fails, I will do that. Where can I get one of
> these Millbrook Hornets?
> --Bob
>
Visit http://www.millbrookboats.com and look in the Decked Canoes
section. The boat is fairly narrow but quick to get used to. I paddled
the Grand in one. Had a great time. Max weight is probably ~180 lbs.
In the interest of full disclosure, I designed the boat for the Canyon
trip (All my other C1s are slalom designs) - and had Millbrook do the
layup from my mold... >> Stay informed about: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:10 pm
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Wow! That is really tempting. I'm about 20 pounds over the max. I like my
Cascade because it has enough volume in the bow that I'm not afraid of
getting stuck vertically when I'm running creeks. Out of the decked boats
on that site, which ones should I consider?
"BobCP" <ctcboater.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Bob Gramann wrote:
>> Great idea. If all else fails, I will do that. Where can I get one of
>> these Millbrook Hornets?
>> --Bob
>>
> Visit http://www.millbrookboats.com and look in the Decked Canoes section.
> The boat is fairly narrow but quick to get used to. I paddled the Grand
> in one. Had a great time. Max weight is probably ~180 lbs.
>
> In the interest of full disclosure, I designed the boat for the Canyon
> trip (All my other C1s are slalom designs) - and had Millbrook do the
> layup from my mold... >> Stay informed about: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:42 pm
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Bob Gramann wrote:
> Wow! That is really tempting. I'm about 20 pounds over the max. I like my
> Cascade because it has enough volume in the bow that I'm not afraid of
> getting stuck vertically when I'm running creeks. Out of the decked boats
> on that site, which ones should I consider?
>
>
The Wide Ride should fit your bill quite nicely. E-mail Kaz for details
- I don't know what hull the design was based on. The guy in the photo
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:24 pm
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Bob Gramann wrote:
> Wow! That is really tempting. I'm about 20 pounds over the max. I like my
> Cascade because it has enough volume in the bow that I'm not afraid of
> getting stuck vertically when I'm running creeks. Out of the decked boats
> on that site, which ones should I consider?
>
> "BobCP" <ctcboater RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:_elCi.12864$3x.7801@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>> Bob Gramann wrote:
>>> Great idea. If all else fails, I will do that. Where can I get one of
>>> these Millbrook Hornets?
>>> --Bob
>>>
>> Visit http://www.millbrookboats.com and look in the Decked Canoes section.
>> The boat is fairly narrow but quick to get used to. I paddled the Grand
>> in one. Had a great time. Max weight is probably ~180 lbs.
>>
>> In the interest of full disclosure, I designed the boat for the Canyon
>> trip (All my other C1s are slalom designs) - and had Millbrook do the
>> layup from my mold...
>
>
Here's another possibility if Esquif will sell you one...
http://cboats.net/cforum/viewtopic.php?t=6551&sid=cb10c7b66f85d562fde8...e3b88b9 >> Stay informed about: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:05 am
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I went and looked at the Esquif site. It's great to see so many open
whitewater boats. And the Taureau does look tempting. I'm hoping that my
repair will hold. Your suggestion to make a fiberglass cockpit should save
the boat if all else fails. I haven't bought a boat in quite a few years.
It would be nice to go a few more with some money in my pocket. Thanks for
the suggestions.
--Bob
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> Bob Gramann wrote:
>> Wow! That is really tempting. I'm about 20 pounds over the max. I like
>> my Cascade because it has enough volume in the bow that I'm not afraid of
>> getting stuck vertically when I'm running creeks. Out of the decked
>> boats on that site, which ones should I consider?
>>
>> "BobCP" <ctcboater.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:_elCi.12864$3x.7801@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Bob Gramann wrote:
>>>> Great idea. If all else fails, I will do that. Where can I get one of
>>>> these Millbrook Hornets?
>>>> --Bob
>>>>
>>> Visit http://www.millbrookboats.com and look in the Decked Canoes
>>> section. The boat is fairly narrow but quick to get used to. I paddled
>>> the Grand in one. Had a great time. Max weight is probably ~180 lbs.
>>>
>>> In the interest of full disclosure, I designed the boat for the Canyon
>>> trip (All my other C1s are slalom designs) - and had Millbrook do the
>>> layup from my mold...
>>
>>
> Here's another possibility if Esquif will sell you one...
>
> http://cboats.net/cforum/viewtopic.php?t=6551&sid=cb10c7b66f85d562fde8...e3b88b9 >> Stay informed about: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:49 pm
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On Aug 30, 2:23 pm, "Bob Gramann" <bobgramannnos... RemoveThis @verizon.net>
wrote:
> Have any of you developed a successful method for patching a cracked
> polyethylene boat (not crosslinked)? I have a '97 Dagger Cascade that has
> cracked on the cowl where the pull strap on the skirt is located. I have
> glued it (E6000) to a piece of plastic molded to fit. That failed. I
> melted the crack shut with a soldering gun. That failed. I cut a strip of
> plastic from around the combing and melted that in with a soldering gun.
> That failed. I melted the whole area to glossy with a torch. That gave a
> really nice finish and seemed to do it. That failed. It seems that new
> cracks form in the vicinity of the repaired crack. It is really hard to get
> a C-1 of any kind let alone this size so I really want to save the boat.
> Has anyone come up with a method that works?
I would wonder if the entire area could be reinforced by backing it up
with another layer of plastic. Perhaps a hunk cut out of a surplus
plastic barrel. Perhaps glue it in place with a layer of Lexel. >> Stay informed about: Patching cracks in a polyethylene boat |
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