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Since: Mar 15, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:57 pm
Post subject: PC/PDA as 'cockpit-chartplotter'
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Hello Bruce,
Tried to use your mailing address - no success ... sorry!
In the newsgroup aus.sport.sailing - 12-02-2005, I read with
great interest about your set up in your boat ... It is a
solution, I'm very much after.
Just recently, I bought a 'new' sailboat - 15 years old...
It is equipped with rather new Raymarine instruments - ST60
series - 230 VHF, RC 530 Chart Plotter, and 4000 tiller
Autopilot - all elements are connected in a SeaTalk net ...
The instruments are visible from the cockpit, but the VHF
and the chartplotter, are mounted ind the cabin. As I do not
want to make physical changes to this set up, and as I do
have a notebook and a PPC with a GPS (a little RoyalTek RGM
2000-thing), I'm looking for a cheap solution to my
'cockpit-chartplotter-problem' ...
I find the prices of the Raymarine hsb2 interface plus their
RNS navigations software far too stiff for my budget, and as
I already do have some sea maps from Maptech and some nordic
electronic maps => versions, that are not compatible with
anything else in the world - (called 'the living seamap' =
DLSK - but they cover all of Denmark, Southern and Western
Sweden and Southern part of Norway) ... I'm pretty eager to
use, what I have ...
I have - therefore and for the time being - reduced my level
of ambition from a totally 'Raymarine' integrated system
based on C-Map charts and RNS 5.0 - to a more modest level:
Run my notebook with the maps/applications I have (Navigator
Lite from Maptech and DLSK) - 'hook up' a USB-GPS to the PC,
and somehow 'connect' the PPC to my notebook PC (Win XP) so
I can keep my notebook 'down under' but with access from/or
'controlled by' my PPC.
I don't have bluetooth, so I will have to accept cables - or
what? ... at least in the first implementation I'm afraid
....
As I'm not at all competent within this field of 'system
integration', I would very much appreciate, if you would
accept to give me a little more detailed information about
how I should go about, if I want to implement the solution,
you have outlined in your 'letter' to the newsgroup.
I do not intend to integrate the system with the RayMarine
system. So my problem is 'only' to establish a
'cockpit-chartplotter-function' i.e. the right connection
between the notebook PC and the PPC running windows ...
Microsoft Pocket PC vers. 3.0.11171.
As I'm very 'intrigued' by the wireless solution, I'm
curious as to what it takes to implement that set up in my
case ... I have been at the vnc homepage, which I find very
interesting, but hard to understand ... my age and my weak
background within this field - unfortunately ... If you will
help me, I will be happy - thank you!
Being a Dane, I have problems finding the correct words
etc., but I do hope my mail is understandable.
Best regards
--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:11 pm
Post subject: Re: PC/PDA as 'cockpit-chartplotter' [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Hej Flemming,
Could one of our NMEA multiplexers be of any use? We have a version that
translates Seatalk into NMEA and broadcasts the NMEA data over Bluetooth to
a PDA running standard navigation software.
Take a look at www.shipmodul.com and select MiniPlex-41BT or MiniPlex-42BT
from the Products page.
Meindert
"Flemming Torp" <fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k> wrote in message
news:42374be8$0$148$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
> Hello Bruce,
>
> Tried to use your mailing address - no success ... sorry!
>
> In the newsgroup aus.sport.sailing - 12-02-2005, I read with
> great interest about your set up in your boat ... It is a
> solution, I'm very much after.
>
> Just recently, I bought a 'new' sailboat - 15 years old...
> It is equipped with rather new Raymarine instruments - ST60
> series - 230 VHF, RC 530 Chart Plotter, and 4000 tiller
> Autopilot - all elements are connected in a SeaTalk net ...
> The instruments are visible from the cockpit, but the VHF
> and the chartplotter, are mounted ind the cabin. As I do not
> want to make physical changes to this set up, and as I do
> have a notebook and a PPC with a GPS (a little RoyalTek RGM
> 2000-thing), I'm looking for a cheap solution to my
> 'cockpit-chartplotter-problem' ...
>
> I find the prices of the Raymarine hsb2 interface plus their
> RNS navigations software far too stiff for my budget, and as
> I already do have some sea maps from Maptech and some nordic
> electronic maps => versions, that are not compatible with
> anything else in the world - (called 'the living seamap' =
> DLSK - but they cover all of Denmark, Southern and Western
> Sweden and Southern part of Norway) ... I'm pretty eager to
> use, what I have ...
>
> I have - therefore and for the time being - reduced my level
> of ambition from a totally 'Raymarine' integrated system
> based on C-Map charts and RNS 5.0 - to a more modest level:
> Run my notebook with the maps/applications I have (Navigator
> Lite from Maptech and DLSK) - 'hook up' a USB-GPS to the PC,
> and somehow 'connect' the PPC to my notebook PC (Win XP) so
> I can keep my notebook 'down under' but with access from/or
> 'controlled by' my PPC.
>
> I don't have bluetooth, so I will have to accept cables - or
> what? ... at least in the first implementation I'm afraid
> ...
>
> As I'm not at all competent within this field of 'system
> integration', I would very much appreciate, if you would
> accept to give me a little more detailed information about
> how I should go about, if I want to implement the solution,
> you have outlined in your 'letter' to the newsgroup.
>
> I do not intend to integrate the system with the RayMarine
> system. So my problem is 'only' to establish a
> 'cockpit-chartplotter-function' i.e. the right connection
> between the notebook PC and the PPC running windows ...
> Microsoft Pocket PC vers. 3.0.11171.
>
> As I'm very 'intrigued' by the wireless solution, I'm
> curious as to what it takes to implement that set up in my
> case ... I have been at the vnc homepage, which I find very
> interesting, but hard to understand ... my age and my weak
> background within this field - unfortunately ... If you will
> help me, I will be happy - thank you!
>
> Being a Dane, I have problems finding the correct words
> etc., but I do hope my mail is understandable.
>
> Best regards
>
>
> --
> Flemming Torp
> 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
> ...
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:18 am
Post subject: Re: PC/PDA as 'cockpit-chartplotter' [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Meindert Sprang wrote:
> Hej Flemming,
>
> Could one of our NMEA multiplexers be of any use? We have a version
> that translates Seatalk into NMEA and broadcasts the NMEA data over
> Bluetooth to a PDA running standard navigation software.
> Take a look at www.shipmodul.com and select MiniPlex-41BT or
> MiniPlex-42BT from the Products page.
>
> Meindert
>
> "Flemming Torp" <fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k> wrote in message
> news:42374be8$0$148$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>> Hello Bruce,
>>
>> Tried to use your mailing address - no success ... sorry!
>>
>> In the newsgroup aus.sport.sailing - 12-02-2005, I read with
>> great interest about your set up in your boat ... It is a
>> solution, I'm very much after.
>>
>> Just recently, I bought a 'new' sailboat - 15 years old...
>> It is equipped with rather new Raymarine instruments - ST60
>> series - 230 VHF, RC 530 Chart Plotter, and 4000 tiller
>> Autopilot - all elements are connected in a SeaTalk net ...
>> The instruments are visible from the cockpit, but the VHF
>> and the chartplotter, are mounted ind the cabin. As I do not
>> want to make physical changes to this set up, and as I do
>> have a notebook and a PPC with a GPS (a little RoyalTek RGM
>> 2000-thing), I'm looking for a cheap solution to my
>> 'cockpit-chartplotter-problem' ...
>>
>> I find the prices of the Raymarine hsb2 interface plus their
>> RNS navigations software far too stiff for my budget, and as
>> I already do have some sea maps from Maptech and some nordic
>> electronic maps => versions, that are not compatible with
>> anything else in the world - (called 'the living seamap' =
>> DLSK - but they cover all of Denmark, Southern and Western
>> Sweden and Southern part of Norway) ... I'm pretty eager to
>> use, what I have ...
>>
>> I have - therefore and for the time being - reduced my level
>> of ambition from a totally 'Raymarine' integrated system
>> based on C-Map charts and RNS 5.0 - to a more modest level:
>> Run my notebook with the maps/applications I have (Navigator
>> Lite from Maptech and DLSK) - 'hook up' a USB-GPS to the PC,
>> and somehow 'connect' the PPC to my notebook PC (Win XP) so
>> I can keep my notebook 'down under' but with access from/or
>> 'controlled by' my PPC.
>>
>> I don't have bluetooth, so I will have to accept cables - or
>> what? ... at least in the first implementation I'm afraid
>> ...
>>
>> As I'm not at all competent within this field of 'system
>> integration', I would very much appreciate, if you would
>> accept to give me a little more detailed information about
>> how I should go about, if I want to implement the solution,
>> you have outlined in your 'letter' to the newsgroup.
>>
>> I do not intend to integrate the system with the RayMarine
>> system. So my problem is 'only' to establish a
>> 'cockpit-chartplotter-function' i.e. the right connection
>> between the notebook PC and the PPC running windows ...
>> Microsoft Pocket PC vers. 3.0.11171.
>>
>> As I'm very 'intrigued' by the wireless solution, I'm
>> curious as to what it takes to implement that set up in my
>> case ... I have been at the vnc homepage, which I find very
>> interesting, but hard to understand ... my age and my weak
>> background within this field - unfortunately ... If you will
>> help me, I will be happy - thank you!
>>
>> Being a Dane, I have problems finding the correct words
>> etc., but I do hope my mail is understandable.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>>
>> --
>> Flemming Torp
>> 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
>> ...
It would seem that our friend wishes to control a notebook and it's software
located in the cabin from a PDA located in the cockpit. If I am correct in
this assumption, I would have thought this to be impossible, since the
notebook's functions cannot be replicated in the PDA, can they?
Laplink allows you to control one PC from another (remote) PC, but that is
because they are both PC's and have the same architecture.
I stand corrected if this is not the case!
Dennis.
--
Satellite photocharts of the UK & Ireland
available, excellent detail and accurate
calibration using Oziexplorer.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:28 pm
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Flemming Torp wrote:
<snip>
> Thank you Jack for a very thorough, relevant, and solid input!
You're welcome, I'm seeing this on rec.boats.electronics and it is a
group that knows a lot and will share it helpfully. I've learned a lot
here too.
Another newsgroup that may be a little more focused on gps, navigation,
and some of the details of your questions here is sci.geo.satellite-nav.
I think there is more discussion there of the specific devices and
processes you want to do.
<snip>
> This is exactly, what I want! But - unfortunately - this is a 'world'
> I've never been into ... I have been told, that the maps in DLSK are
> stored in a xxx.it - format, that is not compatible with anything else
> in the world ... and I'm not in a position to challenge this statement
> ... I will have to study this whole subject in more details. I will go
> to the library. Maybe you have some relevant references?
I don't really have any library references, what I know has been learned
through experience, newsgroups, web pages, and just playing around with it.
> I do not really
> know what calibration - in this context means - so I feel I'm pretty far
> from the target ....
It is not that complicated, after all I think I get it. :>)
If you download SeaClear II and look around on that web site, there are
several documentation files that will give you the basics of calibration
and how to do it. The Ozi-PC trial version also has a good explanation
of it. I am getting more comfortable with map calibration but am far
from an expert and have not used it much. Basically it is mapping the
x,y pixels in a map image file to a geographical reference system. You
tell the program the lat/long postion of a number of specific pixels
that are at known geographic points and the program then maps all the
other pixels to that geographical reference system. That is a
simplistic explanation and maybe not even quite correct.
> Compared to my 'long term solution' or alternatives, I do not find the
> prices of the two ozi-programmes prohibitive.
That was my feeling when I bought it, I consider it a real bargain at
the price.
<snip>
>
> I may understand this, when I start working with it ...
I think you will, I felt the same way when I started but wanting to do
it and being stubborn will overcome a lot of ignorance.
<snip>
> That's a nice solution. My PPC supports MMC and SD memory cards. I have
> started with 256MB, but can see, that prices on memory cards are going
> in the right direction ...
>
> My primary challenge - I understand - is to learn how to 'calibrate and
> convert' my DLSK-maps into a format, that ozi-CE can read ... As the
> boat is still packed in ice, I may have some time during the coming
> weeks to study map-calibration, different map formats, conversion
> programmes etc. It's a completely new world for me - but fascinating -
> and a little frightening ...
By it being mentioned on these groups, I would be surprised if someone
who has already done it does not speak up. There is a image file format
called tiff/it that may have something in common with your DLSK files.
It may be that you already have a bit mapped image file but that it does
not have a common name. It may just need to be "figured out".
If you familiarize yourself with map calibration with Ozi and SeaClear
and have more questions, I recommend you try asking them on the
sci.geo.satellite-nav newsgroup. I think you'll hit a little better
audience for the question there.
Good luck, feel free to email me off the group also if you think I can
be helpful.
Jack
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:28 pm
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Flemming Torp wrote:
<snip>
> Thank you Jack for a very thorough, relevant, and solid input!
You're welcome, I'm seeing this on rec.boats.electronics and it is a
group that knows a lot and will share it helpfully. I've learned a lot
here too.
Another newsgroup that may be a little more focused on gps, navigation,
and some of the details of your questions here is sci.geo.satellite-nav.
I think there is more discussion there of the specific devices and
processes you want to do.
<snip>
> This is exactly, what I want! But - unfortunately - this is a 'world'
> I've never been into ... I have been told, that the maps in DLSK are
> stored in a xxx.it - format, that is not compatible with anything else
> in the world ... and I'm not in a position to challenge this statement
> ... I will have to study this whole subject in more details. I will go
> to the library. Maybe you have some relevant references?
I don't really have any library references, what I know has been learned
through experience, newsgroups, web pages, and just playing around with it.
> I do not really
> know what calibration - in this context means - so I feel I'm pretty far
> from the target ....
It is not that complicated, after all I think I get it. :>)
If you download SeaClear II and look around on that web site, there are
several documentation files that will give you the basics of calibration
and how to do it. The Ozi-PC trial version also has a good explanation
of it. I am getting more comfortable with map calibration but am far
from an expert and have not used it much. Basically it is mapping the
x,y pixels in a map image file to a geographical reference system. You
tell the program the lat/long postion of a number of specific pixels
that are at known geographic points and the program then maps all the
other pixels to that geographical reference system. That is a
simplistic explanation and maybe not even quite correct.
> Compared to my 'long term solution' or alternatives, I do not find the
> prices of the two ozi-programmes prohibitive.
That was my feeling when I bought it, I consider it a real bargain at
the price.
<snip>
>
> I may understand this, when I start working with it ...
I think you will, I felt the same way when I started but wanting to do
it and being stubborn will overcome a lot of ignorance.
<snip>
> That's a nice solution. My PPC supports MMC and SD memory cards. I have
> started with 256MB, but can see, that prices on memory cards are going
> in the right direction ...
>
> My primary challenge - I understand - is to learn how to 'calibrate and
> convert' my DLSK-maps into a format, that ozi-CE can read ... As the
> boat is still packed in ice, I may have some time during the coming
> weeks to study map-calibration, different map formats, conversion
> programmes etc. It's a completely new world for me - but fascinating -
> and a little frightening ...
By it being mentioned on these groups, I would be surprised if someone
who has already done it does not speak up. There is a image file format
called tiff/it that may have something in common with your DLSK files.
It may be that you already have a bit mapped image file but that it does
not have a common name. It may just need to be "figured out".
If you familiarize yourself with map calibration with Ozi and SeaClear
and have more questions, I recommend you try asking them on the
sci.geo.satellite-nav newsgroup. I think you'll hit a little better
audience for the question there.
Good luck, feel free to email me off the group also if you think I can
be helpful.
Jack
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:22 pm
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"Dennis Pogson" <dennisnospam_pogson.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com> skrev i en
meddelelse news:4CUZd.23125$3A6.7911@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> Meindert Sprang wrote:
>> Hej Flemming,
>>
>> Could one of our NMEA multiplexers be of any use? We have a
>> version
>> that translates Seatalk into NMEA and broadcasts the NMEA data
>> over
>> Bluetooth to a PDA running standard navigation software.
>> Take a look at www.shipmodul.com and select MiniPlex-41BT or
>> MiniPlex-42BT from the Products page.
>>
>> Meindert
>>
>> "Flemming Torp" <fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k> wrote in
>> message
>> news:42374be8$0$148$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>>> Hello Bruce,
>>>
>>> Tried to use your mailing address - no success ... sorry!
>>>
>>> In the newsgroup aus.sport.sailing - 12-02-2005, I read with
>>> great interest about your set up in your boat ... It is a
>>> solution, I'm very much after.
>>>
snip>
>>> Best regards
>>> -- Flemming Torp
>>> 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day
>>> working'
>>> ...
>
> It would seem that our friend wishes to control a notebook and
> it's software
> located in the cabin from a PDA located in the cockpit. If I am
> correct in
> this assumption, I would have thought this to be impossible,
> since the
> notebook's functions cannot be replicated in the PDA, can they?
>
> Laplink allows you to control one PC from another (remote) PC,
> but that is
> because they are both PC's and have the same architecture.
>
> I stand corrected if this is not the case!
>
>
> Dennis.
> --
> Satellite photocharts of the UK & Ireland
> available, excellent detail and accurate
> calibration using Oziexplorer.
> Remove *nospam* to reply.
>
>
Hello Dennis - Thank you for your precision - this is exactly,
what I want. I have asked the supplier of DLSK ('free
translation: The Living Sea Map = Det levende SøKort) in Denmark,
and they confirm, that their application cannot run on a PPC.
Maptech has a program, that can run on the PPC.
So - in order not to loose one more notebook - I would accept the
small screen on my PPC, if it can control the notebook PC running
the DLSK apllication ... During periods with sunshine and easy
wind, I could use my notebook as a 'cockpit-chartplotter' ... The
reason for adressing my problem to this newsgroup was the letter
from bruce:
"being one who sails about the planet on his own, i've often had
to duck below to check my nav software whilst negotiating a
passage with the remote on the autotiller, and often get
sidetracked whilst i'm there...
until now.
what i've got running now is vnc server on the laptop with a
wireless nic and vncviewer on the wireless pda, it works like a
charm and it also means i can keep the laptop more securely
stashed away in a
drawer. there's an excellent freeware version for the pocketpc
and on the pda it is much better than mstsc."
Being an amateur within this field, I'm not sure I understand
everything of the above, but it sounds as a solution to my
problem ...
The major difference is, that I do not have all this wireless
gear, and is willing to experiment with the hardware I have -
including annoying cables - until my 'captain' accepts the
obvious long term solution ...
That leads me to a new question: Has anyone of you guys
experience with a flatscreen - placed in the cockpit - working as
the second monitor on a notebook - placed in the cabin? ... Are
you aware og a product, that can stand the 'hostile cockpit
environment' - is rather modest on the batteries, can be read in
daylight, and - at the same time - does not cost anything like
the RayMarine Monitor? I do have a wireless mouse/keyboard, and I
can accept the mouse in the cockpit ...
--
Flemming Torp
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:50 pm
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"Jack Erbes" <jackerbes.RemoveThis@adelphia.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:423896E6.6040900@adelphia.net...
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> Another newsgroup that may be a little more focused on gps,
> navigation, and some of the details of your questions here is
> sci.geo.satellite-nav. I think there is more discussion there
> of the specific devices and processes you want to do.
>
I'm aware of that group too. The reason for 'entering' boats' is
that the first input came from a sailor using this newgroup, be
I'm afraid, that he does not use it regularly ...
> <snip>
> If you download SeaClear II and look around on that web site,
> there are several documentation files that will give you the
> basics of calibration and how to do it.
> <snip>
Yes - I will try to be patient and take the time ...
>
> By it being mentioned on these groups, I would be surprised if
> someone who has already done it does not speak up.
> <snip>
Very recently, I received an answer in the Danish newsgroup about
the possibility og converting the format of DLSK til some kind of
ozi-readable format. The answer is no - it is a 'very'
proprietary format!
> Good luck, feel free to email me off the group also if you
> think I can be helpful.
>
> Jack
>
> --
> Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot
> net
> (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
Thank you very much for your support.
--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:00 pm
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Dennis Pogson wrote:
> It would seem that our friend wishes to control a notebook and it's software
> located in the cabin from a PDA located in the cockpit. If I am correct in
> this assumption, I would have thought this to be impossible, since the
> notebook's functions cannot be replicated in the PDA, can they?
No, they can't. If they could be, he wouldn't need the notebook, would he?
What he can do, and what he wants to do, is merely to view and control
the laptop from the PDA. VNC is almost certainly the answer here - there
will be a server for the laptop whatever operating system it uses. There
may or may not be a viewer for the PDA depending on what kind it is, but
there's a good chance that one will be available. I'm not sure how it
will cope with the difference in screen sizes, but the author of the PDA
VNC viewer will have thought of that and come up with something for
better or worse.
You can stick VNC into google as well as I can if you want a link.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:47 am
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Thank you Pete, for trying to help me out. What I want is to
protect my new (!) notebook (running WinXP) - control it from my
PPC (a windows version with MS Outlook, Navigation and MS
ActiveSync) in the cockpit - and as my notebook application
(DLSK) cannot run on the PPC and as the application cannot be
transferred to the PPC, I would like to use my PPC as a 'viewer'.
An alternative could be an external monitor to the notebook, and
then I could use my cordles mouse controlling the applikation ...
Unfortunately, monitor prices (5 - 10 KU$) for that kind of
application is prohibitive for my wallet and needs. Its a 'nice
to have'-solution, I'm after ...
I have been searching on the vnc site - very informative by the
way ... But I have not been able to see, whether my specific
problem - (i.e. PPC as the 'controller', and I don't have an
internet/TCP/IP on my boat, and the formats of the different
screens may also pose problems(?)) is being solved. I may present
to them my specific problem, as I'm not an IT-expert, and it is
hard to read through all the pages of the VNC manual, that I have
already downloaded ... so far, I have not seen a solution to my
problem.
--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
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> Dennis Pogson wrote:
>
>> It would seem that our friend wishes to control a notebook and
>> it's software
>> located in the cabin from a PDA located in the cockpit. If I
>> am correct in
>> this assumption, I would have thought this to be impossible,
>> since the
>> notebook's functions cannot be replicated in the PDA, can
>> they?
>
> No, they can't. If they could be, he wouldn't need the
> notebook, would he?
>
> What he can do, and what he wants to do, is merely to view and
> control the laptop from the PDA. VNC is almost certainly the
> answer here - there will be a server for the laptop whatever
> operating system it uses. There may or may not be a viewer for
> the PDA depending on what kind it is, but there's a good chance
> that one will be available. I'm not sure how it will cope with
> the difference in screen sizes, but the author of the PDA VNC
> viewer will have thought of that and come up with something for
> better or worse.
>
> You can stick VNC into google as well as I can if you want a
> link.
>
> Pete >> Stay informed about: PC/PDA as 'cockpit-chartplotter' |
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Flemming Torp wrote:
> Thank you for your input. All I know, is that there is a cable
> connection between the socket of my PPC and into a USB port in my
> notebook. The program is called Microsoft ActiveSync, and I can
> 'see' the memory of the PPC from explorer on the notebook, when
> the PPC is in the craddle ... And via this connection I can send
> data back and forth. F.ex. synchronize Outlook, download maps
> from PC to PPC.
<Snip
I carried out an experiment last night. Set up my laptop and moved the
wireless mouse away to the far end of the room. I was able to control the
mouse on-screen from 20 feet away. Set up a remote TFT display at this
distance and was able to work the laptop from at least 20 feet away.
Now, if the remote screen could be made portable and
weatherproof..........................
What about setting it up behind a perspex window in the cockpit bulkhead?
Not impossible, and certainly a cheap solution. All modern TFT's are
equipped for wall mounting, which makes it easy to set up.
A 19" TFT costing UK£225 is available, and could be seen from anywhere in
the cockpit provided there was enough space in the bulkhead to mount it.
Only trouble is, these things consume power like there is no tomorrow!
Now, where did I put that jigsaw..................................?
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"Dennis Pogson" <dennisnospam_pogson RemoveThis @ntlworld.com> skrev i en
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> Flemming Torp wrote:
>> Thank you for your input. All I know, is that there is a cable
>> connection between the socket of my PPC and into a USB port in
>> my
>> notebook. The program is called Microsoft ActiveSync, and I
>> can
>> 'see' the memory of the PPC from explorer on the notebook,
>> when
>> the PPC is in the craddle ... And via this connection I can
>> send
>> data back and forth. F.ex. synchronize Outlook, download maps
>> from PC to PPC.
> <Snip
>
> I carried out an experiment last night. Set up my laptop and
> moved the
> wireless mouse away to the far end of the room. I was able to
> control the
> mouse on-screen from 20 feet away. Set up a remote TFT display
> at this
> distance and was able to work the laptop from at least 20 feet
> away.
>
> Now, if the remote screen could be made portable and
> weatherproof..........................
>
My wife has an old (you know, a couple of years) 15" TFT for
office use only.
As I'm looking for a 'nice to know-solution' (not to say
'quick&dirty'), and the screen needs a power cable anyway, so I'm
not that concerned about the cable to the PC ... So may be, she
really needs a new 17" TFT monitor? I will ask her ...
> What about setting it up behind a perspex window in the cockpit
> bulkhead?
> Not impossible, and certainly a cheap solution. All modern
> TFT's are
> equipped for wall mounting, which makes it easy to set up.
>
> A 19" TFT costing UK£225 is available, and could be seen from
> anywhere in
> the cockpit provided there was enough space in the bulkhead to
> mount it.
> Only trouble is, these things consume power like there is no
> tomorrow!
>
And also the contrast/light of the monitor could be a problem - I
will have to make an experiment ...
As my initial idea was to use my PPC, I think 15" will be OK.
Some kind of protection will be needed - and, I agree, the power
consumption is an issue.
I will give it a try with my wife's TFT, before I invest in
something new ...
> Now, where did I put that
> jigsaw..................................?
>
>
> Dennis
>
No Sir! This is just a 'nice to have' supplement to the 'real
navigation equipment down under' - no jigsaw will be needed in
this case ... If I won in the lottery, and would spend DKK
52.000,- for the RayMarine M 1500 monitor (one U$ equals 5,70
DKK) it might (just might!) deserve its own 'whole' in the
bulkhead ... but to be honest - its not on the top of my wish
list ...
Thank you for your constructive input!
--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
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Your question is definetly a networking issue, compatible devices and
software configuration. This is independent of what you running on your
pc. Get the PPC networked to your Pc using a wireless network hub, and
get VNC configured properly. All else is irrelevant.
If this doesn't help, try other newsgroups geared to Pocket PCs and
networking, VNCs.
Good luck.
Luis Castro
By the Way, all the below is a network connection, but not of the type
that will sustain VNC. So your barking up the wrong tree. Get your PPC
and PC wireless networked, and run VNC to the IP address you give your
Pc.
Chart plotting on a small screen, may be very cumbersome, beside
time-consuming.
Flemming Torp (kanelbolle anmar) wrote:
> "Dennis Pogson" <dennisnospam_pogson.TakeThisOut@ntlworld.com> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:Gjb_d.51$YM5.49@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
> > Flemming Torp wrote:
> >> Thank you for your input. All I know, is that there is a cable
> >> connection between the socket of my PPC and into a USB port in
> >> my
> >> notebook. The program is called Microsoft ActiveSync, and I
> >> can
> >> 'see' the memory of the PPC from explorer on the notebook,
> >> when
> >> the PPC is in the craddle ... And via this connection I can
> >> send
> >> data back and forth. F.ex. synchronize Outlook, download maps
> >> from PC to PPC.
> > <Snip
> >
> > I carried out an experiment last night. Set up my laptop and
> > moved the
> > wireless mouse away to the far end of the room. I was able to
> > control the
> > mouse on-screen from 20 feet away. Set up a remote TFT display
> > at this
> > distance and was able to work the laptop from at least 20 feet
> > away.
> >
> > Now, if the remote screen could be made portable and
> > weatherproof..........................
> >
> My wife has an old (you know, a couple of years) 15" TFT for
> office use only.
> As I'm looking for a 'nice to know-solution' (not to say
> 'quick&dirty'), and the screen needs a power cable anyway, so I'm
> not that concerned about the cable to the PC ... So may be, she
> really needs a new 17" TFT monitor? I will ask her ...
>
> > What about setting it up behind a perspex window in the cockpit
> > bulkhead?
> > Not impossible, and certainly a cheap solution. All modern
> > TFT's are
> > equipped for wall mounting, which makes it easy to set up.
> >
> > A 19" TFT costing UK£225 is available, and could be seen from
> > anywhere in
> > the cockpit provided there was enough space in the bulkhead to
> > mount it.
> > Only trouble is, these things consume power like there is no
> > tomorrow!
> >
> And also the contrast/light of the monitor could be a problem - I
> will have to make an experiment ...
> As my initial idea was to use my PPC, I think 15" will be OK.
> Some kind of protection will be needed - and, I agree, the power
> consumption is an issue.
> I will give it a try with my wife's TFT, before I invest in
> something new ...
>
> > Now, where did I put that
> > jigsaw..................................?
> >
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> No Sir! This is just a 'nice to have' supplement to the 'real
> navigation equipment down under' - no jigsaw will be needed in
> this case ... If I won in the lottery, and would spend DKK
> 52.000,- for the RayMarine M 1500 monitor (one U$ equals 5,70
> DKK) it might (just might!) deserve its own 'whole' in the
> bulkhead ... but to be honest - its not on the top of my wish
> list ...
>
> Thank you for your constructive input!
>
> --
> Flemming Torp
> 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:34 pm
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Flemming Torp wrote:
> Thank you Pete, for trying to help me out. What I want is to protect my
> new (!) notebook (running WinXP) - control it from my PPC (a windows
> version with MS Outlook, Navigation and MS ActiveSync) in the cockpit -
> and as my notebook application (DLSK) cannot run on the PPC and as the
> application cannot be transferred to the PPC, I would like to use my PPC
> as a 'viewer'.
Yup, that's exactly the kind of thing VNC is for.
> I don't have an internet/TCP/IP on my boat,
All that's needed is a network connection between the laptop and the
PPC. You will need this to control one from the other, whatever system
you use. I'm afraid I can't really help you with that as I know nothing
about PDAs. One way would be to get a wireless network card for the
laptop (under £10 if you shop in the right place) and for the PDA (no
idea how much these cost), assuming neither of them have one already.
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Thank you for your input.
Being more of a sailor, than a network or IT expert, the reason
for me raising the question in this group was a letter from a
fellow called Bruce - Feb.12th - that gave an short resumé of his
solution, and I liked it, and tried to 'call' him for some more
details - you know: From sailor to sailor - obviously. and
unfortunately without a positive result.
It is my experience that it is often much easier to follow or
join a conversation/discussion about exchange of ideas, and some
ones experience with specific solutions, when the participants
'are at the same footings', and share the same interests. Me
talking to a very bright computer/network expert is not always
very giving, as he or she does not understand, what I do not
understand. And the result is ... ... well, not very useful - one
could say ...
But I got your message. Thank you.
--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
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Your question is definetly a networking issue, compatible devices
and
software configuration. This is independent of what you running
on your
pc. Get the PPC networked to your Pc using a wireless network
hub, and
get VNC configured properly. All else is irrelevant.
If this doesn't help, try other newsgroups geared to Pocket PCs
and
networking, VNCs.
Good luck.
Luis Castro
By the Way, all the below is a network connection, but not of the
type
that will sustain VNC. So your barking up the wrong tree. Get
your PPC
and PC wireless networked, and run VNC to the IP address you give
your
Pc.
Chart plotting on a small screen, may be very cumbersome, beside
time-consuming.
Flemming Torp (kanelbolle anmar) wrote:
> "Dennis Pogson" <dennisnospam_pogson.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:Gjb_d.51$YM5.49@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
> > Flemming Torp wrote:
> >> Thank you for your input. All I know, is that there is a
> >> cable
> >> connection between the socket of my PPC and into a USB port
> >> in
> >> my
> >> notebook. The program is called Microsoft ActiveSync, and I
> >> can
> >> 'see' the memory of the PPC from explorer on the notebook,
> >> when
> >> the PPC is in the craddle ... And via this connection I can
> >> send
> >> data back and forth. F.ex. synchronize Outlook, download
> >> maps
> >> from PC to PPC.
> > <Snip
> >
> > I carried out an experiment last night. Set up my laptop and
> > moved the
> > wireless mouse away to the far end of the room. I was able to
> > control the
> > mouse on-screen from 20 feet away. Set up a remote TFT
> > display
> > at this
> > distance and was able to work the laptop from at least 20
> > feet
> > away.
> >
> > Now, if the remote screen could be made portable and
> > weatherproof..........................
> >
> My wife has an old (you know, a couple of years) 15" TFT for
> office use only.
> As I'm looking for a 'nice to know-solution' (not to say
> 'quick&dirty'), and the screen needs a power cable anyway, so
> I'm
> not that concerned about the cable to the PC ... So may be, she
> really needs a new 17" TFT monitor? I will ask her ...
>
> > What about setting it up behind a perspex window in the
> > cockpit
> > bulkhead?
> > Not impossible, and certainly a cheap solution. All modern
> > TFT's are
> > equipped for wall mounting, which makes it easy to set up.
> >
> > A 19" TFT costing UK£225 is available, and could be seen from
> > anywhere in
> > the cockpit provided there was enough space in the bulkhead
> > to
> > mount it.
> > Only trouble is, these things consume power like there is no
> > tomorrow!
> >
> And also the contrast/light of the monitor could be a problem -
> I
> will have to make an experiment ...
> As my initial idea was to use my PPC, I think 15" will be OK.
> Some kind of protection will be needed - and, I agree, the
> power
> consumption is an issue.
> I will give it a try with my wife's TFT, before I invest in
> something new ...
>
> > Now, where did I put that
> > jigsaw..................................?
> >
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> No Sir! This is just a 'nice to have' supplement to the 'real
> navigation equipment down under' - no jigsaw will be needed in
> this case ... If I won in the lottery, and would spend DKK
> 52.000,- for the RayMarine M 1500 monitor (one U$ equals 5,70
> DKK) it might (just might!) deserve its own 'whole' in the
> bulkhead ... but to be honest - its not on the top of my wish
> list ...
>
> Thank you for your constructive input!
>
> --
> Flemming Torp
> 'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day
> working'
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:37 pm
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:27:59 +0100, "Flemming Torp"
<fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k> wrote:
>Thank you for your input.
>
>Being more of a sailor, than a network or IT expert, the reason
>for me raising the question in this group was a letter from a
>fellow called Bruce - Feb.12th - that gave an short resumé of his
>solution, and I liked it, and tried to 'call' him for some more
>details - you know: From sailor to sailor - obviously. and
>unfortunately without a positive result.
>
>It is my experience that it is often much easier to follow or
>join a conversation/discussion about exchange of ideas, and some
>ones experience with specific solutions, when the participants
>'are at the same footings', and share the same interests. Me
>talking to a very bright computer/network expert is not always
>very giving, as he or she does not understand, what I do not
>understand. And the result is ... ... well, not very useful - one
>could say ...
>
>But I got your message. Thank you.
Don't give up yet. It works over USB. I suggest you get the software
and try it. I have the URLs somwhere if you need them. You need to
connect to the IP address your PC uses for USB. I could not find this
from the PC or the PPC directly but using vxIPConfig on the PPC it
gave the PPC IP address as 192.168.55.100 and the default gateway as
192.168.55.100. I called 192.168.55.100 with the wifi switched off on
both the PC and PPC and it worked. The IP address may well be the
same for you or perhaps not. . .
It is quite slow on the PPC when the PC screen is changing and this
locks up the scroll bars until it catches up. It works quicker if you
can reduce the size of the map on the PC to match the PPC screen. It
also seem quicker with vector charts, probably because they have less
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