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Al D

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:55 am
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On 20 Jun 2006 14:57:21 -0700, " "
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>Which of course means you will need to go through the surf zone at
>least twice every trip.

Thanks for the input, but that's not true, actually. I launch in a
shelted and very enclosed inlet every time. There is no surf to speak
of in there in calm weather.

>Remember that the surf conditions when/where
>you need to come in may be different from what it was where you went
>out.

That's true. My idea was to stay close to the shore at all times.

>I've played in small surf with a WW canoe, and it's fun, but i wouldn't
>want to try to go very far in bumpy water in that boat.

No - I well appreciate that anywere other than cam sea is not
somewhere I'd want to be in my flat-bottomed canoe.

AL D

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:55 am
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:34:41 GMT, "padeen"
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>Hmm.... flat-bottomed canoe, eh? That screams "RED FLAG RED FLAG" to me.
>If you in fact have a flat-bottomed canoe it is probably the most
>un-seaworthy craft imaginable; some initial stability, but flips when
>conditions get a bit rough. A flat-bottomed canoe won't ride the waves;
>they'll crash over it, and it can't be braced w/o flipping over.

Thanks. Yes, I am aware of the limitations of the flat bottom. I often
have to cope with waves from passing power boats, etc.
>
>My advice to you would be to get this boat out as much as you can in very
>sheltered areas.

Thanks for the advice. It's what I am doing right now.

>Get hours and hours paddling it, and before long you'll
>know its characteristics, and will be able to understand the difference when
>you then try (and buy) a seaworthy craft.

It's something I'll consider carefully, but I'm still tempted to
venture along the shore when the sea is calm. After all, it only takes
a few minutes to reach the shore if the sea starts getting too rough,
yes? In my sailing experience, I've never known sea to get too rough
so quickly that one wouldn't have time to reach the shore if one was
close to the shore in the first place.

As for the hull shape. Yes, I probably would have opted for a V-shaped
hull if I had known more about hull characteristics when I bought this
one. Waves from close-passing motor cruisers can be somewhat scary. So
I'm learning fast what its limitations are, and therefore what sort of
coastal sea conditions would be dangerous.

Al D

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Al D

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:55 am
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:02:05 -0500, Cyli wrote:

>STAY OFF THE OCEAN!.
>Pay attention to the first paragraph above that I've quoted I've
>quoted from padeen. Learn your boat in all sorts of flat water
>conditions before even thinking of taking it out into the large bays,
>much less the ocean.

Thanks for the advice. THat is basically exactly what I am doing. I
missed Padeen's comment in the earlier post which this thread refers
to. I'll repeat my reply here:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:34:41 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

>Hmm.... flat-bottomed canoe, eh? That screams "RED FLAG RED FLAG" to me.
>If you in fact have a flat-bottomed canoe it is probably the most
>un-seaworthy craft imaginable; some initial stability, but flips when
>conditions get a bit rough. A flat-bottomed canoe won't ride the waves;
>they'll crash over it, and it can't be braced w/o flipping over.

Thanks. Yes, I am aware of the limitations of the flat bottom
(although I wasn't, when I bought the boat). I often
have to cope with waves from passing power boats, etc., so I'm now
aware of the problem.

>My advice to you would be to get this boat out as much as you can in very
>sheltered areas.

Thanks for the advice. It's what I am doing right now.

>Get hours and hours paddling it, and before long you'll
>know its characteristics, and will be able to understand the difference when
>you then try (and buy) a seaworthy craft.

I don;t what to sound like I'm shunning your good advice, but I'm
still tempted to venture along the shore when the sea is calm. After
all, it only takes a few minutes to reach the shore if the sea starts
getting too rough, yes? In my sailing experience, I've never known sea
to get too rough so quickly that one wouldn't have time to reach the
shore if one was close to the shore in the first place.

As for the hull shape. Yes, I probably would have opted for a V-shaped
hull if I had known more about hull characteristics when I bought this
one. Waves from close-passing motor cruisers can be somewhat scary. So
I'm learning fast what its limitations are, and therefore what sort of
coastal sea conditions would be too dangerous.

Al D
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John Purbrick

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:55 pm
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In article ,
Michael Daly wrote:
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>On 20-Jun-2006, jpurbric RemoveThis @nyx.nyx.net (John Purbrick) wrote:
>
>> Apparently it's been proved that Indians occasionally crossed the Bay of
>> Fundy in canoes
>
>What size canoe? There's a difference between a two person and a 12 person
>when it comes to crossing open water.

There's no way of knowing that, as the proof was in the form of artifacts from
one side of the bay found on the other side (but not along the land route
around it). How wonderful it would be to have a time machine and go back to
meet the Indians and learn what they knew how to do when it was their
environment! But apparently the first Europeans were fairly impressed with the
seaworthiness of Indian boats in what we now call New England.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:48 am
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riverman wrote:

> Although there is probably a technical definition, 'dories' come in all
> shapes and sizes; in the Grand Canyon they row "Grand Canyon Dories"
> through class 10 whitewater, and they are very stable and seaworthy
> boats. However, that is not the nature of this thread or of your post.

What do you mean by class 10 whitewater? The only class system I know
of only goes up to class 6, and class 6 certainly wouldn't be navigable
in any type of dory.
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Paul Skoczylas

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:55 pm
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"Andrew" wrote:
> riverman wrote:
>
>> Although there is probably a technical definition, 'dories' come in all
>> shapes and sizes; in the Grand Canyon they row "Grand Canyon Dories"
>> through class 10 whitewater, and they are very stable and seaworthy
>> boats. However, that is not the nature of this thread or of your post.
>
> What do you mean by class 10 whitewater? The only class system I know
> of only goes up to class 6, and class 6 certainly wouldn't be navigable
> in any type of dory.

The Grand Canyon uses a 1-10 scale, different from the normal I-VI scale.

-Paul
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:00 am
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Learning new things every day...

Paul Skoczylas wrote:
> The Grand Canyon uses a 1-10 scale, different from the normal I-VI scale.
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