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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:32 am
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My wife and I have been invited to a wedding in Norfolk next year on 26th
July, and we were considering having a week's holiday in a hired motor boat
on the Norfolk Broads the week before. Our only concern is whether it might
be too crowded for our tastes then, as we prefer not to have too much
company or have to moor up rafted or in over-crowded marinas.
We'd appreciate advice from anyone who has recent experience of the Broads
in July before committing ourselves.
[And we've heard all the Norfolk Broads jokes before thanks,Wink]
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Duncan Heenan <duncanheenan DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wibbled something like:
> My wife and I have been invited to a wedding in Norfolk next year on
> 26th July, and we were considering having a week's holiday in a hired
> motor boat on the Norfolk Broads the week before. Our only concern is
> whether it might be too crowded for our tastes then, as we prefer not
> to have too much company or have to moor up rafted or in over-crowded
> marinas. We'd appreciate advice from anyone who has recent experience of
> the
> Broads in July before committing ourselves.
> [And we've heard all the Norfolk Broads jokes before thanks,Wink]

We've been twice, low season (April last year) and high season (late July
2005) and the main difference we found was the 'party noise' levels changed.
Even in high season it was still easy to moor alone, or in a secluded area.
We found that we could have as rowdy or peaceful night/day as we liked. It
was, pretty obviously, at the 'hotspots', where everyone seems to want to go
(and why not?), a little awkward to get marina berths every night in high
season, but even then we always found moorings 'just round the corner', so
to speak, that were much more agreeable and quiet anyway. Smile

On the whole there was, again pretty obviously, more traffic, but again
there are still peaceful spots and rivers to be found.

I'd say try not to worry too much about what you 'think' the broads might be
like and just try it. It can, as said earlier, be as peaceful or rowdy as
you like, if you keep an open mind and a weather eye out. Smile

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"Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenan.DeleteThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> My wife and I have been invited to a wedding in Norfolk next year on 26th
> July, and we were considering having a week's holiday in a hired motor
> boat on the Norfolk Broads the week before. Our only concern is whether it
> might be too crowded for our tastes then, as we prefer not to have too
> much company or have to moor up rafted or in over-crowded marinas.
> We'd appreciate advice from anyone who has recent experience of the Broads
> in July before committing ourselves.
> [And we've heard all the Norfolk Broads jokes before thanks,Wink]
> --
> Duncan Heenan
> (Speaking personally)
Thank you for doing so so efficiently on my behalf, Martin.
All contributions gratefully accepted!
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"Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenan.RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenan.RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> My wife and I have been invited to a wedding in Norfolk next year on 26th
>> July, and we were considering having a week's holiday in a hired motor
>> boat on the Norfolk Broads the week before. Our only concern is whether
>> it might be too crowded for our tastes then, as we prefer not to have too
>> much company or have to moor up rafted or in over-crowded marinas.
>> We'd appreciate advice from anyone who has recent experience of the
>> Broads in July before committing ourselves.
>> [And we've heard all the Norfolk Broads jokes before thanks,Wink]
>> --
>> Duncan Heenan
>> (Speaking personally)
> Thank you for doing so so efficiently on my behalf, Martin.
> All contributions gratefully accepted!

No need Duncan,
I will be delighted to assist. I sail the Broads and have
friends and contacts amongst whom we should be able to answer any questions
you have.

The Broads are much less busy now than they used to be. The hire fleet has
come down from
about 4,000 boats in the 1980's to around 800 now. The private fleet has
grown a bit but most private
boats tend to sit on their moorings most of the time.

As already noted by someone else, the hotspots will always be busy and it
pays to moor early
in places like Horning, Wroxham and Coltishall. However, you said you may
not like the busy spots and they are always around
civilisation like towns and pubs so if you are prepared to bring your own
food and booze a quiet mooring is guaranteed. I have spent some great nights
on a mudweight in the middle of a broad.

Do you mind where you start from?

Do you really want a motor boat? There are some nice sailing yachts
available.

The Martham boats are indeed vintage 50's wooden cruisers but whilst good
value do show their age a bit. Whispering Reeds
as mentioned have some newer and smarter GRP boats. Ask for Ken.

Sailing boats, also classics, can be had from Mike at Norfolk Broads
Yachting. The have engines, showers and heads, some
are wood, some GRP. Some are new like the beautiful Lapwing, some are old
like Zoe, 1897, the only Victorian counter-stern
yacht in hire. You can have a Bermudan rig or the classic gaff, but beware,
these are big mainsails designed to sail well in a breath of air.
Very early reefing is advisable otherwise they are completely overpowered.
Believe me. A friend took a 15 foot slice out of a quay heading a few years
ago,
very much in the style mentioned in the Art of Coarse Sailing by Michael
Green - a must read before you go "a-broad".

I have sailed Fair Lady and Camellia several times, Fair Lady seems to be no
longer available, probably sold, but Camellia is still in hire.
http://www.norfolk-broads.com/

Hunter's Yard do mahogany yachts from the 30's with no engine. All are
equipped with oil lamps, 30's crockery and cutlery but do have
gas cooking and heads. http://www.huntersyard.co.uk/sailing.htm They sail
like big dinghies apparently. I have sailed one of their half deckers and
they do go
a bit.

There's more, but email me off-group if you still have the addy, if not
shout & I'll send it.

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"TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett.TakeThisOut@tesco.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenan.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:475fb85c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> "Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenan.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:475f8053$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>> My wife and I have been invited to a wedding in Norfolk next year on
>>> 26th July, and we were considering having a week's holiday in a hired
>>> motor boat on the Norfolk Broads the week before. Our only concern is
>>> whether it might be too crowded for our tastes then, as we prefer not to
>>> have too much company or have to moor up rafted or in over-crowded
>>> marinas.
>>> We'd appreciate advice from anyone who has recent experience of the
>>> Broads in July before committing ourselves.
>>> [And we've heard all the Norfolk Broads jokes before thanks,Wink]
>>> --
>>> Duncan Heenan
>>> (Speaking personally)
>> Thank you for doing so so efficiently on my behalf, Martin.
>> All contributions gratefully accepted!
>
> No need Duncan,
> I will be delighted to assist. I sail the Broads and have
> friends and contacts amongst whom we should be able to answer any
> questions you have.
>
> The Broads are much less busy now than they used to be. The hire fleet has
> come down from
> about 4,000 boats in the 1980's to around 800 now. The private fleet has
> grown a bit but most private
> boats tend to sit on their moorings most of the time.
>
> As already noted by someone else, the hotspots will always be busy and it
> pays to moor early
> in places like Horning, Wroxham and Coltishall. However, you said you may
> not like the busy spots and they are always around
> civilisation like towns and pubs so if you are prepared to bring your own
> food and booze a quiet mooring is guaranteed. I have spent some great
> nights
> on a mudweight in the middle of a broad.
>
> Do you mind where you start from?
>
> Do you really want a motor boat? There are some nice sailing yachts
> available.
>
> The Martham boats are indeed vintage 50's wooden cruisers but whilst good
> value do show their age a bit. Whispering Reeds
> as mentioned have some newer and smarter GRP boats. Ask for Ken.
>
> Sailing boats, also classics, can be had from Mike at Norfolk Broads
> Yachting. The have engines, showers and heads, some
> are wood, some GRP. Some are new like the beautiful Lapwing, some are old
> like Zoe, 1897, the only Victorian counter-stern
> yacht in hire. You can have a Bermudan rig or the classic gaff, but
> beware, these are big mainsails designed to sail well in a breath of air.
> Very early reefing is advisable otherwise they are completely overpowered.
> Believe me. A friend took a 15 foot slice out of a quay heading a few
> years ago,
> very much in the style mentioned in the Art of Coarse Sailing by Michael
> Green - a must read before you go "a-broad".
>
> I have sailed Fair Lady and Camellia several times, Fair Lady seems to be
> no longer available, probably sold, but Camellia is still in hire.
> http://www.norfolk-broads.com/
>
> Hunter's Yard do mahogany yachts from the 30's with no engine. All are
> equipped with oil lamps, 30's crockery and cutlery but do have
> gas cooking and heads. http://www.huntersyard.co.uk/sailing.htm They
> sail like big dinghies apparently. I have sailed one of their half deckers
> and they do go
> a bit.
>
> There's more, but email me off-group if you still have the addy, if not
> shout & I'll send it.
>
> TonyB
>Tony,
Tony,
Excellent! Many thanks.
The main criteria for start & finish places are that a) they are the same,
and b) we can leave a car there reasonably safely. It will most likely be a
motor boat as, though I love sailing I am used to a bit more sea room than
on the Broads, and I think Vivienne is hoping for a more restful week that
she'd get under sail.
I tried your email return address, but it cam up 'invalid'
Thanks for all your trouble.
Best wishes,
Duncan Heenan
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TonyB wrote:

> Hunter's Yard do mahogany yachts from the 30's with no engine. All are
> equipped with oil lamps, 30's crockery and cutlery but do have
> gas cooking and heads. http://www.huntersyard.co.uk/sailing.htm They
> sail like big dinghies apparently. I have sailed one of their half
> deckers and they do go
> a bit.

I spent a week at Easter on one of these boats. The certainly are easy
to handle, though many of the motor vessel skippers don't seem to
appreciate what is involved in sailing, and can be troublesome about
giving you water to tack in (I had one skipper call out to me
sarcastically asking if I knew where I was going because I was going
back and forth across the river). Full of character, but quite basic in
their facilities. We took ours through Potter Heigham, which was
entertaining (only propulsion with the mast down is the quant pole).
Sailing has the definite advantage that the wildlife seems a lot less
wary of a quiet sailing craft than a noisy motor craft. Hickling Broad
at dusk, under sail was quite spectacular.

Robin
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"Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenan.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett.TakeThisOut@tesco.net> wrote in message
>>Tony,
> Tony,
> Excellent! Many thanks.
> The main criteria for start & finish places are that a) they are the same,
> and b) we can leave a car there reasonably safely. It will most likely be
> a
> motor boat as, though I love sailing I am used to a bit more sea room than
> on the Broads, and I think Vivienne is hoping for a more restful week that
> she'd get under sail.
> I tried your email return address, but it cam up 'invalid'
> Thanks for all your trouble.
> Best wishes,
> Duncan Heenan


Ah, sorry I forgot to mention. Remove hat before replying, leaving just
t.j. etc.....

In that case I would reccommend Royalls of Wroxham
http://www.royallsboatyard.com/
with whom I have had very fair experiences. Royalls are an old Broads
family,
the Grandad used to be a trading wherry skipper. Still a small family run
company.
Barnes Brinkcraft are also said to be good, they are a larger company
with greater choice: http://www.barnesbrinkcraft.co.uk/

Both companies have secure car parking available.

Bear in mind two things. It is not comfortably possible to do the northern
broads and the southern in one week. The northern bit is busier but it's
where almost all of the Broads are,
the southern is quieter and with more river work although the rivers are
generally wider.

The second thing is to check whether your proposed boat will pass under the
bridges you want to
go under. They do say in the descriptions - " Will not pass under ****
bridge."

This is probably the most useful Broads guide:

http://www.broadsnet.co.uk/

If at all possible pick a start date other than Saturday. Saturday pm on the
Bure can be a bit "processional"
and even manic as all the newbie boaters are still in M25 mentality, seeking
a mooring for the night and not
realising that a motor boat steers from the back and reacts slowly.

Generally speaking you do not need to worry about the tides when motoring
unless you go downriver of
Thurne Mouth, the junction of the Thurne and Bure rivers.

If it were me on a first trip out from Wroxham I'd footle down the Bure past
Horning where there are many
Broads to look at, and loads of moorings for the first night. There are pubs
at Horning on the riverside but they are lively,
or a quiet mooring on the bank between Wroxham Broad and the river.
Accessible only by water you are assured of
a fairly quiet night. One "must do" is to moor at Salhouse Broad, stern on,
Med style and walk about a mile to your
pre-booked table at the Fur and Feather in Woodbastwick. It is the brewery
tap for the thatched brewery
of Woodfordes, has great food and better beers. The village itself has a
small forge and lovely cottages.
The downside is the mooring, while quiet and always has vacancies, is the
most expensive one that I know in Broadland
at £8 for the night.

Then a day or two up the River Ant to Barton Broad where Nelson learnt to
sail followed by a day or two north
of Potter Bridge where you must use the free bridge pilot as the air draft
is only about 6' 6" at LWS!

North of Potter, West Somerton has crystal clear water safe to swim in,
although this is discouraged
by the Broads Authority. You do need to watch out for anglers - this stretch
is closed to boats
Sunday mornings prior to 10 a.m. for match fishing. Not usually a problem
for me!

On the way back, turn up Candle Dyke, past the last working eel sett ( stop
idf the red lights
are on, or risk a prop wrap! ) through White Slea and Heigham Sound to Deep
Dyke and Deep Go
Dyke which lead to Hickling Broad, the largest Broad. Here you'll see world
class windsurfers practising,
Marsh Harriers for sure and if you're lucky you may hear a Bittern or see a
Swallowtail butterfly.

There's a nice pub at the end of the Broad - the Pleasure Boat Inn. Mention
me to Fiona the restarant
manager or Julie the landlady.

On the way back turn to port after the Deep Dykes and go up the delightfully
narrow Meadow Dyke
for a mile or so to Horsey Mere where you can moor at the staithe, visit the
windmill and walk to the
rustic Nelson Head pub across the fields - watch out for the bull. Andy and
Barbara will serve you the second
best pint in Norfolk, and excellent meal which you can walk off by strolling
through Horsey Gap onto
a three mile long golden sanded beach. There may be a seal or two there if
you're lucky.
Say hello to Andy for me, he's an affable chap, an ex hippie with loads of
bling and the deepest voice you ever heard.

If you see Derek who will probably know you've moored up before you've
finished your half-hitch
a little sympathy may go down well - his boat caught fire and sank this
year, just by the windmill.
Some say it was arson but it may have been a gas leak and a bilge pump
kicking in. Derek will
relieve you of your mooring fee and talk to you in real Narfaark.

Horsey staithe is also pricey at £4 but the starboard bank is cheaper than
the port oddly. Well, this is Norfolk.
( Motto: "Do different." ) Cries of "Hev yew gotta loight bor?" are
tolerated by the locals with a weary grin
as they have heard it before. Should they respond with " Hev yoor faar gota
dickey, Bor?" the correct
answer is " Ho Yus, and he be alookin' fur a fule t' roide him". Roughly
translated this means " Does your father have a small horse at all old
chap?"
and the answer " Yes, and he's looking for a fool ( like you ) to ride him."

Do not, under any circumstances, mention dwile flonking. It'll start a fight
because everyone has a different opinion as to
what it actually is. I know what it is but everytime I try to tell the
locals they just start fighting.

There's a very fair chance that you'll have a nice time, will not get mugged
or burgled, will meet
fairly friendly and tolerant locals, get good food in selected places and
will sleep well.

TonyB








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"TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett.TakeThisOut@tesco.net> wrote in message
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> snip
> I have sailed Fair Lady and Camellia several times, Fair Lady seems to be
> no longer available, probably sold, but Camellia is still in hire.
> http://www.norfolk-broads.com/
> snip
> TonyB

While having a quick look at some of the yachts on offer I came across the
plan view of America,
http://www.norfolk-broads.com/boats/boatinfo.php?boat=1 and was surprised to
see an engine right in the bow. Is this an outboard, to be fitted when the
quant pole isn't sufficient, or do they really fit some kind of sail drive
in the bow?
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In article <orq4m3tuiu4d6hnuuujoan0qcmkl27m9er DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
Martin <me DeleteThis @address.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:31:34 +0200, "John Seager" <jseager DeleteThis @NOSPAMhsrc.ac.za>
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>>"TonyB" <hatt.j.bennett DeleteThis @tesco.net> wrote in message
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>>> snip
>>> I have sailed Fair Lady and Camellia several times, Fair Lady seems to be
>>> no longer available, probably sold, but Camellia is still in hire.
>>> http://www.norfolk-broads.com/
>>> snip
>>> TonyB
>>
>>While having a quick look at some of the yachts on offer I came across the
>>plan view of America,
>>http://www.norfolk-broads.com/boats/boatinfo.php?boat=1 and was surprised to
>>see an engine right in the bow. Is this an outboard, to be fitted when the
>>quant pole isn't sufficient, or do they really fit some kind of sail drive
>>in the bow?
>
>The text says it is an inboard diesel.

Hydraulic drive, IIRC, with the prop aft in the usual place.

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> Very good Tony! <applause>
>
> When we used to hire a boat we liked going into Norwich and spending a
> night at
> the boat station.
> --
ome to think of it, there and Great Yarmouth are two places I wouldn't spend
a night
if possible, especially not a Saturday night. Not only is it noisy but there
have been a few reports of
boats being cast adrift. Hence it is reccommended to put your mudweight down
the seaward side.
I stress it's only a few reports, I've stayed in both places without any
trouble at all. I assume Duncan is looking for something more peaceful
though.
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>>>
>>>While having a quick look at some of the yachts on offer I came across
>>>the
>>>plan view of America,
>>>http://www.norfolk-broads.com/boats/boatinfo.php?boat=1 and was surprised
>>>to
>>>see an engine right in the bow. Is this an outboard, to be fitted when
>>>the
>>>quant pole isn't sufficient, or do they really fit some kind of sail
>>>drive
>>>in the bow?
>>
>>The text says it is an inboard diesel.
>
> Hydraulic drive, IIRC, with the prop aft in the usual place.

20 foot prop shaft on some of 'em.
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