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Since: Nov 19, 2006
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:23 pm
Post subject: Lunatic designs and the law...
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Hello all. First post here.
What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run
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Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
If planning to home build or modify, would presenting its plans in
advance be a better choice than spending the effort to risk a later
negation ? Or plans is not enough, but engineering calculations be
needed ?
Thanks,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:13 pm
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Miguel,
I am sure that this is somewhat a local issue, but I have built and
registered a few boats in several states. When I was done or nearly so
with building, I would take a box of material receipts and sometimes
sketches or pictures to the local authority. An individual in said
authority would look (usually with no exmanination) at the box of
receipts and ask searching questions like: "How long is it?" or "Did you
really build this?" and complete a Certificate of Origin. You take the
CoO to the registering authority and give then money. If the first
person you sspoke to did not, then this person will give a Hull
Identification Number to stamp into the hull and the registration number
for the local registration so they can collect personal property taxes.
Nobody actually cares if it floats. (As long as they get your money.)
The USCG has some standards that they can inspect to, but don't expect
to see them ever. You will not unless you force the local law
enforcement to pay attention to the stupid things you are going.
If you modify an existing boat, there is no way the authorities can know
that it is not box stock.
Good luck
Matt Colie
Externet wrote:
> Hello all. First post here.
>
> What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
> very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run
> ?
> Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
> If planning to home build or modify, would presenting its plans in
> advance be a better choice than spending the effort to risk a later
> negation ? Or plans is not enough, but engineering calculations be
> needed ?
> Thanks,
> Miguel
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:13 pm
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Miguel,
I am sure that this is somewhat a local issue, but I have built and
registered a few boats in several states. When I was done or nearly so
with building, I would take a box of material receipts and sometimes
sketches or pictures to the local authority. An individual in said
authority would look (usually with no exmanination) at the box of
receipts and ask searching questions like: "How long is it?" or "Did you
really build this?" and complete a Certificate of Origin. You take the
CoO to the registering authority and give then money. If the first
person you sspoke to did not, then this person will give a Hull
Identification Number to stamp into the hull and the registration number
for the local registration so they can collect personal property taxes.
Nobody actually cares if it floats. (As long as they get your money.)
The USCG has some standards that they can inspect to, but don't expect
to see them ever. You will not unless you force the local law
enforcement to pay attention to the stupid things you are going.
If you modify an existing boat, there is no way the authorities can know
that it is not box stock.
Good luck
Matt Colie
Externet wrote:
> Hello all. First post here.
>
> What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
> very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run
> ?
> Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
> If planning to home build or modify, would presenting its plans in
> advance be a better choice than spending the effort to risk a later
> negation ? Or plans is not enough, but engineering calculations be
> needed ?
> Thanks,
> Miguel
> >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:13 pm
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Miguel,
I am sure that this is somewhat a local issue, but I have built and
registered a few boats in several states. When I was done or nearly so
with building, I would take a box of material receipts and sometimes
sketches or pictures to the local authority. An individual in said
authority would look (usually with no exmanination) at the box of
receipts and ask searching questions like: "How long is it?" or "Did you
really build this?" and complete a Certificate of Origin. You take the
CoO to the registering authority and give then money. If the first
person you sspoke to did not, then this person will give a Hull
Identification Number to stamp into the hull and the registration number
for the local registration so they can collect personal property taxes.
Nobody actually cares if it floats. (As long as they get your money.)
The USCG has some standards that they can inspect to, but don't expect
to see them ever. You will not unless you force the local law
enforcement to pay attention to the stupid things you are going.
If you modify an existing boat, there is no way the authorities can know
that it is not box stock.
Good luck
Matt Colie
Externet wrote:
> Hello all. First post here.
>
> What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
> very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run
> ?
> Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
> If planning to home build or modify, would presenting its plans in
> advance be a better choice than spending the effort to risk a later
> negation ? Or plans is not enough, but engineering calculations be
> needed ?
> Thanks,
> Miguel
> >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:39 pm
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You certainly might have problems if you want to carry passengers for hire,
insure it for liability or damage, or sell it.
"Externet" <externet.DeleteThis@inorbit.com> wrote in message
news:1163975016.433340.198880@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hello all. First post here.
>
> What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
> very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run
> ?
> Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
> If planning to home build or modify, would presenting its plans in
> advance be a better choice than spending the effort to risk a later
> negation ? Or plans is not enough, but engineering calculations be
> needed ?
> Thanks,
> Miguel
> >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:39 pm
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You certainly might have problems if you want to carry passengers for hire,
insure it for liability or damage, or sell it.
"Externet" <externet.TakeThisOut@inorbit.com> wrote in message
news:1163975016.433340.198880@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hello all. First post here.
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> What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
> very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run
> ?
> Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
> If planning to home build or modify, would presenting its plans in
> advance be a better choice than spending the effort to risk a later
> negation ? Or plans is not enough, but engineering calculations be
> needed ?
> Thanks,
> Miguel
> >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:39 pm
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You certainly might have problems if you want to carry passengers for hire,
insure it for liability or damage, or sell it.
"Externet" <externet.TakeThisOut@inorbit.com> wrote in message
news:1163975016.433340.198880@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hello all. First post here.
>
> What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
> very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run
> ?
> Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
> If planning to home build or modify, would presenting its plans in
> advance be a better choice than spending the effort to risk a later
> negation ? Or plans is not enough, but engineering calculations be
> needed ?
> Thanks,
> Miguel
> >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:16 pm
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Thanks, gentlemen.
Interesting how a couple of opinions mention the importance of the
location. Am in San Francisco, but even if the local authority is
'easy' to deal with about a heavily modified craft; this brings the
question what reaction would sailing to a foreign port authorithy
bring, for a US registered monster, if they have to swallow it, or can
forbid it from sailing...
It would be a not 'for hire' craft; which may ease the insurance part
and taxes. There will be no intention to sell at all... actually
nobody would want such animal.
The tempting magnitude of lunatism could be an aircraft bolted onto a
registered catamaran (no mast); leaving room for an insurance inspector
to say "Nope. Cannot insure that thing" That could be a problem. No
intention to fly, just to go quite fast never taking off.
(keeping the fire extinguishes they want to see, the lights they want
to see, the meticulous location of the regitration numbering, life
vests...)
Well, will digest more about lunatisms... >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:16 pm
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Thanks, gentlemen.
Interesting how a couple of opinions mention the importance of the
location. Am in San Francisco, but even if the local authority is
'easy' to deal with about a heavily modified craft; this brings the
question what reaction would sailing to a foreign port authorithy
bring, for a US registered monster, if they have to swallow it, or can
forbid it from sailing...
It would be a not 'for hire' craft; which may ease the insurance part
and taxes. There will be no intention to sell at all... actually
nobody would want such animal.
The tempting magnitude of lunatism could be an aircraft bolted onto a
registered catamaran (no mast); leaving room for an insurance inspector
to say "Nope. Cannot insure that thing" That could be a problem. No
intention to fly, just to go quite fast never taking off.
(keeping the fire extinguishes they want to see, the lights they want
to see, the meticulous location of the regitration numbering, life
vests...)
Well, will digest more about lunatisms... >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:16 pm
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Thanks, gentlemen.
Interesting how a couple of opinions mention the importance of the
location. Am in San Francisco, but even if the local authority is
'easy' to deal with about a heavily modified craft; this brings the
question what reaction would sailing to a foreign port authorithy
bring, for a US registered monster, if they have to swallow it, or can
forbid it from sailing...
It would be a not 'for hire' craft; which may ease the insurance part
and taxes. There will be no intention to sell at all... actually
nobody would want such animal.
The tempting magnitude of lunatism could be an aircraft bolted onto a
registered catamaran (no mast); leaving room for an insurance inspector
to say "Nope. Cannot insure that thing" That could be a problem. No
intention to fly, just to go quite fast never taking off.
(keeping the fire extinguishes they want to see, the lights they want
to see, the meticulous location of the regitration numbering, life
vests...)
Well, will digest more about lunatisms... >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:55 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:52 pm
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Externet wrote:
> What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
> very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run ?
> Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
That depends very much where in the world you are. Most likely the
authorities are more interested in collecting tax than in seeing how well
it works. They may require an insurance, and the insurance company has
reason to be more interested in the safety of the thing.
Of course, if you start making money with it (carrying passangers, cargo,
fishing, even selling it) the tax authorities are even more interested, and
some other authority may even care about the safety of it all.
-H >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:52 pm
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Externet wrote:
> What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
> very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run ?
> Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
That depends very much where in the world you are. Most likely the
authorities are more interested in collecting tax than in seeing how well
it works. They may require an insurance, and the insurance company has
reason to be more interested in the safety of the thing.
Of course, if you start making money with it (carrying passangers, cargo,
fishing, even selling it) the tax authorities are even more interested, and
some other authority may even care about the safety of it all.
-H >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:52 pm
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Externet wrote:
> What does a plain standard and normal registered boat, if modified to
> very unusual characteristics has to comply with in order to legally run ?
> Does it have to be presented to some authority for evaluation ?
That depends very much where in the world you are. Most likely the
authorities are more interested in collecting tax than in seeing how well
it works. They may require an insurance, and the insurance company has
reason to be more interested in the safety of the thing.
Of course, if you start making money with it (carrying passangers, cargo,
fishing, even selling it) the tax authorities are even more interested, and
some other authority may even care about the safety of it all.
-H >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:21 am
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Hmmmm... more like a non-airworthy 6-8 seater pusher -if such
contraption exists- or converted to V8 pusher, out of a boneyard, on a
21' cat, aiming for ~60mph...
Oh boy! who are they coming with that straight jacket ? >> Stay informed about: Lunatic designs and the law... |
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