Land use of marine radios

"Bruce in alaska" <fast RemoveThis @btpost.net> wrote in message
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> In article <fnvc77$7q4$1@news.netins.net>,
> "John Anderson" <nobody RemoveThis @spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> In my area, Lee County, IA, we have coyote hunters using
>> marine channel 68. In Hancock County IL a similiar use of
>> marine channel 69 is occurring.
>>
>> It has also been noted that truckers are using Marine ch 71
>> and ch. 19A in the Ft Madison IA area.
>>
>> I wonder if any other posters have noticed such activity
>> on Marine channels?
>>
>> John Anderson
>> West Point, Iowa
>>
>> http://k0bkl.org/radio/coyote.htm
>
> This type of stuff has been going on since, FOREVER... but the FCC
> got rid of 90% of the Field Operations Staff, back in the early 90's,
> and there is no one listening, or enforcing, these rules on a regular
> basis currently. Vhf Marine Radios have become very inexpensive, and
> lots of folks find that they work a WHOLE LOT better than the FRS/GMRS
> radios, that were intended for these uses, because of the Frequency that
> they use. You can complain to the FCC in DC, but UNLESS they are
> interfering with Emergency or Safety Communications, the Field Staff
> really doesn't have the time, or ManPower, to deal with these types of
> Violations. Maybe you should write a Letter to ALGORE, as he was the
> DUFUS, that gutted the FCC Field Staff, with his "Reinvention of
> Government" Program at the FCC, back in the 90's, as Vice President.
>
http://k0bkl.topcities.com/coyote.htm

I moved the page.
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:01:01 -0600, "John Anderson"
<nobody.TakeThisOut@spamcop.net> wrote:

>In my area, Lee County, IA, we have coyote hunters using
>marine channel 68. In Hancock County IL a similiar use of
>marine channel 69 is occurring.
>
>It has also been noted that truckers are using Marine ch 71
>and ch. 19A in the Ft Madison IA area.
>
>I wonder if any other posters have noticed such activity
>on Marine channels?
>
>John Anderson
>West Point, Iowa

These users may be legal - you'd have to check the FCC frequency
allocations to be sure.

The marine VHF band is in the middle of the land mobile band - used by
taxis, trucking companies, and other commercial radio services.

Here in BC, it appears that the marine channels are only reserved for
marine use on the coast. Elsewhere in the province, there are land
mobile users assigned within the "marine" frequency range. (As the
channel spacing for land mobile is different than for marine, the land
users likely won't actually be on a marine channel, but will be close
enough to be heard, or to interfere.) There are a few marine channels
reserved for marine use on the interior lakes.


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> These users may be legal - you'd have to check the FCC frequency
> allocations to be sure.
>
> The marine VHF band is in the middle of the land mobile band - used by
> taxis, trucking companies, and other commercial radio services.
>
They use Channel 68 or 69 in my area.
Truckers have been heard on Ch. 71, and 19a

Looks like they are using Marine Channels according to
the FCC rules!

Oh, well, keeps them off the 10 meter ham bands!
A few years ago I heard outbanders on 28.085
griping about people throwing carriers, but the "carriers"
were hams on code transmission. With the tight bandwidth
of cw receivers, the hams were probaly not even aware of
the interlopers!
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On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:36:55 -0600, "John Anderson"
<nobody DeleteThis @spamcop.net> wrote:

>
>> These users may be legal - you'd have to check the FCC frequency
>> allocations to be sure.
>>
>> The marine VHF band is in the middle of the land mobile band - used by
>> taxis, trucking companies, and other commercial radio services.
>>
>They use Channel 68 or 69 in my area.
>Truckers have been heard on Ch. 71, and 19a
>
>Looks like they are using Marine Channels according to
>the FCC rules!

Not necessarily - they could be using assigned land mobile frequencies
that happen to be close enough to those marine channels that they can
be heard on a standard marine radio. As I said, you'd have to check
to see if the FCC has any land mobile allocations close to those
marine channels for use in your area.

>
>Oh, well, keeps them off the 10 meter ham bands!
>A few years ago I heard outbanders on 28.085
>griping about people throwing carriers, but the "carriers"
>were hams on code transmission. With the tight bandwidth
>of cw receivers, the hams were probaly not even aware of
>the interlopers!
>
>

--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
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In article <t8a9q3hcqq60vg84rc22eo2hfb99moa5d7.RemoveThis@news.supernews.com>,
Peter Bennett <peterbb.RemoveThis@somewhere.invalid> wrote:

> These users may be legal - you'd have to check the FCC frequency
> allocations to be sure.

Peter is right, in this case. There are "Some" Limited geographic
locations, in the US, where the FCC HAS, granted Special Operations
Licenses for non-Marine uses of Marine Frequencies. None of these
type Permits, are allowed on Calling, Safety, Navigation, and Distress
Frequencies, as per International Convention, that the US IS signatory
to. Most of these Permits are limited to Specific Areas , where there
are NO Navigable Waters, within 120 Miles in any direction from
the perimeter of the Designated Area of Operation as specified on
the Station License. Station Licenses and Station CALLSIGN
Identification are REQUIRED, as per Station Licensing, and FCC Rule.

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"John Anderson" <nobody.RemoveThis@spamcop.net> wrote in news:fo2cuh$v7v$1
@news.netins.net:

> A local Marine towing outfit in Ft Madison, IA uses Channel 11
> for their trucks running around town, or at least they did when
> I worked down there.
>
> I guess this is the new Citizens' Band ?
>
>
>

I knew someone in the pest control business in Greenville, SC, way up in
the mountains where the band is truly dead. He ran the pest control
business with Standard VHF marine radios for many years.

I can tell you this because they're all dead, now....
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"John Anderson" <nobody DeleteThis @spamcop.net> wrote in news:fo2d8d$vgh$1
@news.netins.net:

> Oh, well, keeps them off the 10 meter ham bands!
> A few years ago I heard outbanders on 28.085
> griping about people throwing carriers, but the "carriers"
> were hams on code transmission. With the tight bandwidth
> of cw receivers, the hams were probaly not even aware of
> the interlopers!
>
>

All hams have to do is force the stupid ARRL goats to change the 10M
bandplan to stop it all. Reserve the bottom 500Khz 28.0-28.5 for
REPEATER outputs on NBFM...and reserve the top 500 Khz 29.2-29.7 for
REPEATER INPUTS away from the CBer equipment. Powerhouse FM repeater
outputs would easily keep the bottom end of 10M clear of SSB CBers, and
we'd have GREAT FM repeater fun on the mostly-dead 10 meter band.
There's plenty of room IN THE MIDDLE of 10M, away from the CB pirates,
for the simplex stuff...CW, SSB, etc.

Of course, stoic CW operators moving above the bottom 20 Khz of the band
would simply have a heart attack over such a LOGICAL move....

10M FM repeaters are loads of fun, especially when the band is open!
29.620 repeater in Puerto Rico had great coverage over the whole East
Coast and Caribbean for years.

Sadly, Robert KD4PBC, who is a paging engineer by trade and was a paging
company owner for years, here, THREW A PERFECTLY GOOD QUINTRON 500 WATT
10M REPEATER INTO THE DUMPSTER, all crystalled up with hi stability
precision oscillators and all in mint condition. Noone would put it on
the air and he didn't have time. Very sad...pathetically so....

73 DE LARRY W4CSC Charleston, SC.
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>>They use Channel 68 or 69 in my area.
>>Truckers have been heard on Ch. 71, and 19a
>>
>>Looks like they are using Marine Channels according to
>>the FCC rules!
>
> Not necessarily - they could be using assigned land mobile frequencies
> that happen to be close enough to those marine channels that they can
> be heard on a standard marine radio. As I said, you'd have to check
> to see if the FCC has any land mobile allocations close to those
> marine channels for use in your area.
>
They are using marine radios on marine channels.
A ham friend of mine has talked to them.
They are arguing that they don't need licenses,
and indeed, if the FCC does not have the money or
manpower to go after them, then this activity, like the
mess on CB will become legal by default!
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In article <fo2cuh$v7v$1@news.netins.net>,
"John Anderson" <nobody.DeleteThis@spamcop.net> wrote:

> A local Marine towing outfit in Ft Madison, IA uses Channel 11
> for their trucks running around town, or at least they did when
> I worked down there.

There is another possible answer to the above situation. There IS
a Part 80 Classification of a Portable or Mobile Land Based Marine
VHF Station. It is called a Marine Utility Coast Station when on
Land and a Marine Utility Station when used on water. These are not
easy to acquire, but they do exist and I have held both at one time or
another. I have friends in the Marine Electronics Sales and Service
bizz, that have these and have had them for years. Also Ship Pilots
use these type Marine Licenses, for Portables, they use to communicate
with the Pilot Boats, Ships, and Tugs.

Bruce in alaska

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"Bruce in alaska" <fast.RemoveThis@btpost.net> wrote in message
news:fast-F334AF.10035003022008@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> In article <fo2cuh$v7v$1@news.netins.net>,
> "John Anderson" <nobody.RemoveThis@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> A local Marine towing outfit in Ft Madison, IA uses Channel 11
>> for their trucks running around town, or at least they did when
>> I worked down there.
>
> There is another possible answer to the above situation. There IS
> a Part 80 Classification of a Portable or Mobile Land Based Marine
> VHF Station. It is called a Marine Utility Coast Station when on
> Land and a Marine Utility Station when used on water. These are not
> easy to acquire, but they do exist and I have held both at one time or
> another. I have friends in the Marine Electronics Sales and Service
> bizz, that have these and have had them for years. Also Ship Pilots
> use these type Marine Licenses, for Portables, they use to communicate
> with the Pilot Boats, Ships, and Tugs.


These coyote hunters have admitted to using Marine radios,
no mistake about it. They would be legal if they were in
jon boats instead of pickup trucks. But a Ford pickup truck
does not meet that description!
 >> Stay informed about: Land use of marine radios 

On Feb 1, 7:01 am, "John Anderson" <nob... RemoveThis @spamcop.net> wrote:
> In my area, Lee County, IA, we have coyote hunters using
> marine channel 68. In Hancock County IL a similiar use of
> marine channel 69 is occurring.
>
> It has also been noted that truckers are using Marine ch 71
> and ch. 19A in the Ft Madison IA area.

Indeed. In the deserts east of southern California, Marine VHF
radios are becoming commonplace amongst the off-road vehicles crowd.
One club in Palm Springs actually *requires* them in order to join.
They jump frequencies and never say anything that would identify
themselves, so they know it's not legal.
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Larry wrote:

<snip>
>
> Sadly, Robert KD4PBC, who is a paging engineer by trade and was a paging
> company owner for years, here, THREW A PERFECTLY GOOD QUINTRON 500 WATT
> 10M REPEATER INTO THE DUMPSTER, all crystalled up with hi stability
> precision oscillators and all in mint condition. Noone would put it on
> the air and he didn't have time. Very sad...pathetically so....

Why on earth would anyone do this except out of some emotional disturbance?
Goodwill, Hamfests, donations, and even eBay are all easy alternatives.

Michael
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msg <msg RemoveThis @_cybertheque.org_> wrote in
news:13rp8id65nuu2b9@corp.supernews.com:

> Larry wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> Sadly, Robert KD4PBC, who is a paging engineer by trade and was a
>> paging company owner for years, here, THREW A PERFECTLY GOOD QUINTRON
>> 500 WATT 10M REPEATER INTO THE DUMPSTER, all crystalled up with hi
>> stability precision oscillators and all in mint condition. Noone
>> would put it on the air and he didn't have time. Very
>> sad...pathetically so....
>
> Why on earth would anyone do this except out of some emotional
> disturbance? Goodwill, Hamfests, donations, and even eBay are all easy
> alternatives.
>
> Michael
>

Hurried move to start new job. He had to move a whole business very
quickly and abandoned lots of stuff.
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