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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:07 am
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Can anyone help out here. I've been paddling for a little over 3 years,
mostly lakes, and am not an expert. I have been out on Lake Superior a few
times. Normally I paddle a RM Capella. Just love it. I recently bought an
Orca 16 for another family member because its supposed to be more stable and
easier to paddle then the Capella. I'm 5'9" and 190. I got in this Orca and
tipped over 50 ft. from shore the first time out. I never tipped a boat
before. It is the most "tippy" unstable boat I've ever been in. My wife, who
is 5'3" and 115 even thinks its unstable. Is it the hull design? The seat
sits about an inch and a half off the bottom of the boat on a foam block.
I'm thinking this may have something to do with the stability. The boat
really feels like I'm standing up in a canoe with my feet together. Would
lowering the seat help or should I return it for something else? Its for my
daughter and son-in-law to paddle when they are home. I did paddle a 2003
Orca early in the summer and it was quite nice so I ordered one and got this
2005 and its very diffrent from the one I paddled.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:15 pm
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I can't speak specifically about the Orca, but lowering the seat in any
boat will definitely make it feel more stable.
Bub wrote:
> Can anyone help out here. I've been paddling for a little over 3 years,
> mostly lakes, and am not an expert. I have been out on Lake Superior a few
> times. Normally I paddle a RM Capella. Just love it. I recently bought an
> Orca 16 for another family member because its supposed to be more stable and
> easier to paddle then the Capella. I'm 5'9" and 190. I got in this Orca and
> tipped over 50 ft. from shore the first time out. I never tipped a boat
> before. It is the most "tippy" unstable boat I've ever been in. My wife, who
> is 5'3" and 115 even thinks its unstable. Is it the hull design? The seat
> sits about an inch and a half off the bottom of the boat on a foam block.
> I'm thinking this may have something to do with the stability. The boat
> really feels like I'm standing up in a canoe with my feet together. Would
> lowering the seat help or should I return it for something else? Its for my
> daughter and son-in-law to paddle when they are home. I did paddle a 2003
> Orca early in the summer and it was quite nice so I ordered one and got this
> 2005 and its very diffrent from the one I paddled.
> Thanks,
> Bub
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:33 pm
Post subject: Re: P&H Kayaks [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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>> Can anyone help out here. I've been paddling for a little over 3 years,
>> mostly lakes, and am not an expert. I have been out on Lake Superior a few
>> times. Normally I paddle a RM Capella. Just love it. I recently bought an
>> Orca 16 for another family member because its supposed to be more stable and
>> easier to paddle then the Capella. I'm 5'9" and 190. I got in this Orca and
>> tipped over 50 ft. from shore the first time out. I never tipped a boat
>> before. It is the most "tippy" unstable boat I've ever been in. My wife, who
>> is 5'3" and 115 even thinks its unstable. Is it the hull design? The seat
>> sits about an inch and a half off the bottom of the boat on a foam block.
>> I'm thinking this may have something to do with the stability. The boat
>> really feels like I'm standing up in a canoe with my feet together. Would
>> lowering the seat help or should I return it for something else? Its for my
>> daughter and son-in-law to paddle when they are home. I did paddle a 2003
>> Orca early in the summer and it was quite nice so I ordered one and got this
>> 2005 and its very diffrent from the one I paddled.
>> Thanks,
>> Bub
>>
>>
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Very strange! If you find the Capella reasonably stable the Orca 'should'
feel even more stable. That said, I have not paddled the Orca; I do paddle
a P&H Vela and while it's initial stability is nothing to shout about it's
secondary stability is very good (and according to P&H the Vela is rated as
quite a bit less stable than the Orca). Is it possible that you and your
wife have not yet learned the feel of the Orca's point of 'no return' in a
lean? All of that said however, if your primary aim is to acquire a stable
boat for occasional paddlers P&H kayaks may not be the best way to go. What
they call high stability would be quite low compared to, for example, some
of the kayaks that Wilderness Systems makes.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:41 pm
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Well, I took the seat out and lowered it by about an inch and a quarter to
one and a half. Padded it in with some scrap foam and we shall see what we
see. My wife said I should give this a try before trading it back. The first
time out I was in about 5 feet of water on a calm lake superior shore. I
gave a little hip wiggle to see how stable it would feel and bingo, one with
the lake before you could say "oh crap". So, we'll have to see how this
works.
Thanks for the replies.
Bub
"Wright" <nojunk_wright9.TakeThisOut@nojunk_mac.com> wrote in message
news:BD6B18FC.B486%nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com...
>
> >> Can anyone help out here. I've been paddling for a little over 3 years,
> >> mostly lakes, and am not an expert. I have been out on Lake Superior a
few
> >> times. Normally I paddle a RM Capella. Just love it. I recently bought
an
> >> Orca 16 for another family member because its supposed to be more
stable and
> >> easier to paddle then the Capella. I'm 5'9" and 190. I got in this Orca
and
> >> tipped over 50 ft. from shore the first time out. I never tipped a boat
> >> before. It is the most "tippy" unstable boat I've ever been in. My
wife, who
> >> is 5'3" and 115 even thinks its unstable. Is it the hull design? The
seat
> >> sits about an inch and a half off the bottom of the boat on a foam
block.
> >> I'm thinking this may have something to do with the stability. The boat
> >> really feels like I'm standing up in a canoe with my feet together.
Would
> >> lowering the seat help or should I return it for something else? Its
for my
> >> daughter and son-in-law to paddle when they are home. I did paddle a
2003
> >> Orca early in the summer and it was quite nice so I ordered one and got
this
> >> 2005 and its very diffrent from the one I paddled.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Bub
> >>
> >>
> >
> Very strange! If you find the Capella reasonably stable the Orca 'should'
> feel even more stable. That said, I have not paddled the Orca; I do
paddle
> a P&H Vela and while it's initial stability is nothing to shout about it's
> secondary stability is very good (and according to P&H the Vela is rated
as
> quite a bit less stable than the Orca). Is it possible that you and your
> wife have not yet learned the feel of the Orca's point of 'no return' in a
> lean? All of that said however, if your primary aim is to acquire a
stable
> boat for occasional paddlers P&H kayaks may not be the best way to go.
What
> they call high stability would be quite low compared to, for example, some
> of the kayaks that Wilderness Systems makes.
> Chuck
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:22 pm
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Get it up to cruising speed, and it should have incredible secondary
stability. Narrow, tippy feeling boats ususally do, and I know that one has
a good rep. Perhaps consider some instruction, concentrating on bracing (
actually every stroke you take is a brace ) and a roll class. Sea kayaks
virtually roll themselves compared to WW boats. Might want to consider a
recreational boat too for your wife. Something with instant gratification
and no learning curve to speak of. Good luck
"Bub" <bob0243 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10kcfhtbpruu332@corp.supernews.com...
> Well, I took the seat out and lowered it by about an inch and a quarter to
> one and a half. Padded it in with some scrap foam and we shall see what we
> see. My wife said I should give this a try before trading it back. The
first
> time out I was in about 5 feet of water on a calm lake superior shore. I
> gave a little hip wiggle to see how stable it would feel and bingo, one
with
> the lake before you could say "oh crap". So, we'll have to see how this
> works.
> Thanks for the replies.
> Bub
> "Wright" <nojunk_wright9 DeleteThis @nojunk_mac.com> wrote in message
> news:BD6B18FC.B486%nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com...
> >
> > >> Can anyone help out here. I've been paddling for a little over 3
years,
> > >> mostly lakes, and am not an expert. I have been out on Lake Superior
a
> few
> > >> times. Normally I paddle a RM Capella. Just love it. I recently
bought
> an
> > >> Orca 16 for another family member because its supposed to be more
> stable and
> > >> easier to paddle then the Capella. I'm 5'9" and 190. I got in this
Orca
> and
> > >> tipped over 50 ft. from shore the first time out. I never tipped a
boat
> > >> before. It is the most "tippy" unstable boat I've ever been in. My
> wife, who
> > >> is 5'3" and 115 even thinks its unstable. Is it the hull design? The
> seat
> > >> sits about an inch and a half off the bottom of the boat on a foam
> block.
> > >> I'm thinking this may have something to do with the stability. The
boat
> > >> really feels like I'm standing up in a canoe with my feet together.
> Would
> > >> lowering the seat help or should I return it for something else? Its
> for my
> > >> daughter and son-in-law to paddle when they are home. I did paddle a
> 2003
> > >> Orca early in the summer and it was quite nice so I ordered one and
got
> this
> > >> 2005 and its very diffrent from the one I paddled.
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Bub
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > Very strange! If you find the Capella reasonably stable the Orca
'should'
> > feel even more stable. That said, I have not paddled the Orca; I do
> paddle
> > a P&H Vela and while it's initial stability is nothing to shout about
it's
> > secondary stability is very good (and according to P&H the Vela is rated
> as
> > quite a bit less stable than the Orca). Is it possible that you and
your
> > wife have not yet learned the feel of the Orca's point of 'no return' in
a
> > lean? All of that said however, if your primary aim is to acquire a
> stable
> > boat for occasional paddlers P&H kayaks may not be the best way to go.
> What
> > they call high stability would be quite low compared to, for example,
some
> > of the kayaks that Wilderness Systems makes.
> > Chuck
> >
> >
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:22 am
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On 13-Sep-2004, "Bub" <bob0243.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I gave a little hip wiggle to see how stable it would feel and bingo, one with
> the lake before you could say "oh crap". So, we'll have to see how this
> works.
There's something seriously wrong here. The Orca's blurb on the P&H web site
suggests that it's a kayak with high initial stability. The comparison chart
for all their kayaks puts the Orca at high stability and easy maneouvering.
That suggests a wide flat hull in the water and the photos suggest that too.
There's no way a little hip wiggle should put you over.
You're not really tall and top heavy compared to me. Your wife, being smaller
should find it stable as well.
> >> I did paddle a 2003 Orca early in the summer and it was quite nice so I
> >> ordered one and got this 2005 and its very diffrent from the one I paddled.
Are you sure the difference isn't a defective boat?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:45 am
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Maybe I gave it a big wiggle to see if it would tip and it did. But, It is
real tippy compared to the Capella I usually paddle and the other boats we
have, Looksha Sport, Tikani, Elaho. So We'll try this out with the seat
lowered and see what happens. The deck seems pretty high with the seat
lowered while sitting in it in the garage.
The Guy from P&H that emailed me told me they raised the deck for more leg
room on the newest ones. I have a suspicion they raised the seat a little so
you wouldn't be banging your paddle on the high deck, thus the "top heavy"
feel. But we'll see.
Thanks, Bub
"Michael Daly" <michaelDaly.TakeThisOut@foo.bar> wrote in message
news:9eGdnT1I9s7W69vcRVn-tw@magma.ca...
> On 13-Sep-2004, "Bub" <bob0243.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I gave a little hip wiggle to see how stable it would feel and bingo,
one with
> > the lake before you could say "oh crap". So, we'll have to see how this
> > works.
>
> There's something seriously wrong here. The Orca's blurb on the P&H web
site
> suggests that it's a kayak with high initial stability. The comparison
chart
> for all their kayaks puts the Orca at high stability and easy
maneouvering.
> That suggests a wide flat hull in the water and the photos suggest that
too.
> There's no way a little hip wiggle should put you over.
>
> You're not really tall and top heavy compared to me. Your wife, being
smaller
> should find it stable as well.
>
> > >> I did paddle a 2003 Orca early in the summer and it was quite nice so
I
> > >> ordered one and got this 2005 and its very diffrent from the one I
paddled.
>
> Are you sure the difference isn't a defective boat?
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:39 pm
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Well, it worked. Lowered the seat by about an inch and it made all the
diffrence in the world. Nice and stable. Now some other fine tuning and
we'll be all set.
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions.
Bub
"Bub" <bob0243.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe I gave it a big wiggle to see if it would tip and it did. But, It is
> real tippy compared to the Capella I usually paddle and the other boats we
> have, Looksha Sport, Tikani, Elaho. So We'll try this out with the seat
> lowered and see what happens. The deck seems pretty high with the seat
> lowered while sitting in it in the garage.
> The Guy from P&H that emailed me told me they raised the deck for more leg
> room on the newest ones. I have a suspicion they raised the seat a little
so
> you wouldn't be banging your paddle on the high deck, thus the "top heavy"
> feel. But we'll see.
> Thanks, Bub
> "Michael Daly" <michaelDaly.RemoveThis@foo.bar> wrote in message
> news:9eGdnT1I9s7W69vcRVn-tw@magma.ca...
> > On 13-Sep-2004, "Bub" <bob0243.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I gave a little hip wiggle to see how stable it would feel and bingo,
> one with
> > > the lake before you could say "oh crap". So, we'll have to see how
this
> > > works.
> >
> > There's something seriously wrong here. The Orca's blurb on the P&H web
> site
> > suggests that it's a kayak with high initial stability. The comparison
> chart
> > for all their kayaks puts the Orca at high stability and easy
> maneouvering.
> > That suggests a wide flat hull in the water and the photos suggest that
> too.
> > There's no way a little hip wiggle should put you over.
> >
> > You're not really tall and top heavy compared to me. Your wife, being
> smaller
> > should find it stable as well.
> >
> > > >> I did paddle a 2003 Orca early in the summer and it was quite nice
so
> I
> > > >> ordered one and got this 2005 and its very diffrent from the one I
> paddled.
> >
> > Are you sure the difference isn't a defective boat?
> >
> > Mike
>
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