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John Gaquin1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:20 pm
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Sloan and Newsweek are still pushing their vendetta.....





Newsweek Misses Tax Freedom Day
Jay Bryant



April 11, 2004



In a Saturday editorial, the Washington Times skewered Newsweek pretty good
for the latter's "Dirty Little Secret of the Tax Cut" cover story.



But since Saturday papers are the least well read, and you probably don't
get the Times anyway, you probably didn't see it.



So let me summarize. Newsweek identified three families, one of which made
$32,400 in 2003, the second $73,411 and the third $194,000. Each of the
three was quoted, bitching about how they hadn't gotten anything out of the
Bush tax cuts. But the Times analysis shows that the single-income-mom low
income family actually benefited $1,000, or 45% from the cuts, while the
middle income folks saved $2,800 (44%) and the high income earners, who told
Newsweek all the tax cut benefits must have gone to the "major corporations
who are downsizing and outsourcing," received at least $6,899 in Bush tax
reductions.

<snip>



In 2004, Tax Freedom Day is today, April 11, Easter Sunday. If you're the
average American, every dollar you've earned so far this year goes to pay
your taxes. Starting Monday, you can keep what you earn. And you know
what? Tax Freedom Day, 2004, is the earliest it has been since 1967.



Nineteen Freaking Sixty Seven! .....

<snip>



Tax Freedom Day was on April 10. Since then, it's bounced around the last
half of April, topping out on May 2 in 2000. Since then, the Bush cuts have
pushed it back each year..........In spite of the unprecedented disruption
caused by 9/11, the recession that started after Clinton's Tax Freedom Day
peak didn't last long. Did the massive Bush tax cuts have anything to do
with cutting it off? It sure looks like it.



Note too, that Tax Freedom Day also considers state and local taxes. The
Democrats have been running around claiming that because Bush cut Federal
taxes, responsible state and local leaders had to raise the rates. Wrong-o,
Charlie.



But that kind of stuff is the brand spanking clean little secret of the tax
cut, so it doesn't make Newsweek, even though it is much bigger news, one
would think than the blather writer Allan Sloan fills his article with.



But it's not the article so much as what the Newsweek editors did with it
that really stinks. The three families (Where do they find these people?
What are their politics?) all were quoted with disparaging comments about
the tax cuts. These sidebars, with photos and dramatic graphics, will be
vastly more well read than Sloan's text - even though, as the Times
analysis shows, the spokesfolks don't know what they're talking about...

<snip>



Then there's the matter of Newsweek's cover. The cover, with its Form 1040
graphic and screaming headline will be read by millions of passersby who
never bother to pick up the magazine and read the article, much less read a
critical newspaper editorial, or, for that matter, an Internet columnist.



Those magazine covers are like having Vote for Kerry signs in every
supermarket, drug store, airport bookshop and street corner newsstand in
America. And it's all completely unregulated by the McCain-Feingold Act.



The national news media, Newsweek most assuredly included, is a wholly-owned
subsidiary of the Democratic party, and has been since way back when Tax
Freedom Day was even earlier than it is now.



This year, the grand strategy of the Left is to take each and every one of
Bush's strong points (his reaction to 9/11, his tax cuts) and tarnish them.



To fight back, Bush needs to take things like the Tax Freedom Day
announcement and paste it over the cover of each and every Newsweek in
America. Cause it's working, folks, no matter what the magazine's
uninformed spokespeople say.



Full article available at:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jaybryant/jb20040411.shtml

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:20 pm
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:20:25 +0000, John Gaquin wrote:

<snip>
 >
 > In 2004, Tax Freedom Day is today, April 11, Easter Sunday. If you're the
 > average American, every dollar you've earned so far this year goes to pay your
 > taxes. Starting Monday, you can keep what you earn. And you know what? Tax
 > Freedom Day, 2004, is the earliest it has been since 1967.
 >

You lucky Bastards! Our Tax Freedom day is in June! Sad

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:57 pm
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"Lloyd Sumpter" <lsumpter RemoveThis @dccnet.com> wrote in message > >
 >
 > You lucky Bastards! Our Tax Freedom day is in June! Sad

My condolences.

Interesting comparative at

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.taxfreedomday.co.uk/uk-compares.htm" target="_blank">http://www.taxfreedomday.co.uk/uk-compares.htm</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:43 pm
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"John Gaquin" <john.gaquin.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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blah-blah-blah...
 > To fight back, Bush needs to take things like the Tax Freedom Day
 > announcement and paste it over the cover of each and every Newsweek in
 > America. Cause it's working, folks, no matter what the magazine's
 > uninformed spokespeople say.
....blah-blah-blah.

Unfortunately, the greed perpetrated on us by the right today will have to
be repaid in the future. The US government can't just keep on borrowing
money; at some point a debt has to be repaid. Would you run your business
or your household financed by an ever-increasing debt?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:23 pm
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"Snafu" <here RemoveThis @thewesternworld.com> wrote in message
 >
 > ...... Would you run your business
 > or your household financed by an ever-increasing debt?

If my home and family were under attack by people who just didn't like me
because the way I live is pleasant and comfortable and the way they live
isn't --

You bet your ass I would -- until the last one of them stopped shooting.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:32 pm
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Lloyd Sumpter <lsumpter DeleteThis @dccnet.com> wrote in message
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 > On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:20:25 +0000, John Gaquin wrote:
 >
 > <snip>
  > >
  > > In 2004, Tax Freedom Day is today, April 11, Easter Sunday. If you're
the
  > > average American, every dollar you've earned so far this year goes to
pay your
  > > taxes. Starting Monday, you can keep what you earn. And you know what?
Tax
  > > Freedom Day, 2004, is the earliest it has been since 1967.
  > >
 >
 > You lucky Bastards! Our Tax Freedom day is in June! Sad
 >
 > Lloyd


In this province more like November.....<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:32 pm
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"Don White" <white DeleteThis @nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote in message >
 >
 > In this province more like November.....


<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/taxcalc.asp" target="_blank">http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/taxcalc.asp</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:38 pm
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John Gaquin <john.gaquin.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Don White" <white.TakeThisOut@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote in message >
  > >
  > > In this province more like November.....
 >
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/taxcalc.asp</font" target="_blank">http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/taxcalc.asp</font</a>>
 >
Can't believe it! I'd actually be paying more tax in British Columbia in
the scenarios I entered.
You have my sympathies Lloyd.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:38 pm
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:38:35 +0000, Don White wrote:

 >
 > John Gaquin <john.gaquin.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
 > news:6aWdndlEDbn97eTdRVn-gg@comcast.com...
  >>
  >> "Don White" <white.DeleteThis@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote in message >
   >> >
   >> > In this province more like November.....
  >>
  >>
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/taxcalc.asp</font" target="_blank">http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/taxcalc.asp</font</a>>
  >>
 > Can't believe it! I'd actually be paying more tax in British Columbia in the
 > scenarios I entered.
 > You have my sympathies Lloyd.

Thank you. OTOH, we had NO SNOW this winter - I was out sailing and fishing in
Feb, crocuses in the lawn in early March, it's currently about 18C and
everyone's mowing their lawns... Cool

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:12 pm
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"John Gaquin" <john.gaquin.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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 > "Snafu" <here.DeleteThis@thewesternworld.com> wrote in message
  > >
  > > ...... Would you run your business
  > > or your household financed by an ever-increasing debt?
 >
 > If my home and family were under attack by people who just didn't like me
 > because the way I live is pleasant and comfortable and the way they live
 > isn't --
 >
 > You bet your ass I would -- until the last one of them stopped shooting.

The point is the Bush tax cut doesn't make sense in our post-9/11 world.
How are we paying for 1) the deployment of the regular, reserve, and
National Guard troops, 2) the rebuilding cost of Iraq (remember the
$87,000,000,000?), 3) homeland security? The answer is our children and
grand-children are going to be stuck with the bill.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 12:30 am
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 >You lucky Bastards! Our Tax Freedom day is in June! Sad
 >
 >Lloyd
 >

True, but you get a lot of government bang for the buck. Or at least you get
banged a lot by your government as it pursues your bucks,,,,,,hard to say. Smile

Me? I get to pay good ol punative "AMT".
Particularly aggressive hosing reserved for
folks with unusual incomes. (Certainly doesn't mean unusually high). They
actually suspend the rules and charge a higher amount than the tables call for!
Woa....bummer. My wife's a CPA, or I'd swear there's a hitch in the giddy-up
someplace.

(non partisan comment follows)

Doesn't matter whether the Democratic rat bastards or the Republican rat
bastards are temporarily in charge of cooking the books or how big a "tax cut"
is supposedly in place, they get much more than they need- and several times as
much as they spend wisely.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 12:30 am
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Gould 0738 wrote:

  >>You lucky Bastards! Our Tax Freedom day is in June! Sad
  >>
  >>Lloyd
  >>
 >
 >
 > True, but you get a lot of government bang for the buck. Or at least you get
 > banged a lot by your government as it pursues your bucks,,,,,,hard to say. Smile
 >
 > Me? I get to pay good ol punative "AMT".
 > Particularly aggressive hosing reserved for
 > folks with unusual incomes. (Certainly doesn't mean unusually high). They
 > actually suspend the rules and charge a higher amount than the tables call for!
 > Woa....bummer. My wife's a CPA, or I'd swear there's a hitch in the giddy-up
 > someplace.
 >
 > (non partisan comment follows)
 >
 > Doesn't matter whether the Democratic rat bastards or the Republican rat
 > bastards are temporarily in charge of cooking the books or how big a "tax cut"
 > is supposedly in place, they get much more than they need- and several times as
 > much as they spend wisely.


Wait until the bills start coming due for the Bush misAdministration's
war in iraq, its spending and its refusal to play straight with the
American people on taxes.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:47 am
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"Snafu" <here.DeleteThis@thewesternworld.com> wrote in message
 >
 > The point is the Bush tax cut doesn't make sense in our post-9/11 world.
 > How are we paying for 1) the deployment of the regular, reserve, and
 > National Guard troops, 2) the rebuilding cost of Iraq (remember the
 > $87,000,000,000?), 3) homeland security? The answer is our children and
 > grand-children are going to be stuck with the bill.


conventional thinking.....always looks that way on paper .... WW-II vets
theoretically had to come home and then pay for the war, too. but if you
let the economy roll, it never works out that way. revenues increase, and
the books even out faster than anticipated

if you raise taxes now, just as the economy is starting to roll again,
you'll kill the recovery, and still have to pay for the war.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:34 am
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"John Gaquin" <john.gaquin.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<BdCdnVAaMd-ZyeTdRVn-gw.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>...
 > Sloan and Newsweek are still pushing their vendetta.....
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > Newsweek Misses Tax Freedom Day
 > Jay Bryant
 >
 >
 >
Anybody besides me always find this whole concept about mentioning how
many days into the year you work to pay your taxes, as a way of
demonstrating that the speaker thinks taxes are too high, is pretty
funny and silly? I mean, isn't it kind of unnecessary. Surely the
audience could understand just the statement "Tax rates are nn
percent," without having to illustrate it by pointing out what date in
the year is nn% through the year?

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:21 pm
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John Gaquin wrote:

 > Sloan and Newsweek are still pushing their vendetta.....
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > Newsweek Misses Tax Freedom Day
 > Jay Bryant
 >
 >
 >
 > April 11, 2004
 >
 >
 >
 > In a Saturday editorial, the Washington Times skewered Newsweek pretty good
 > for the latter's "Dirty Little Secret of the Tax Cut" cover story.
 >
 >

The Wash Times is nothing more than a Bush house organ.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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