Evinrude Junior outboard OK for canoe?

On 20 Jun 2006 07:05:43 -0700, "Hanta-Yo-Yo"
wrote:

>Other than the fact this is rec.boats.PADDLE,

Yes... I mostly paddle. The outboard is really a safety measure to get
me out of trouble.

>I do have a little
>experience with putting a small motor on my 17.5 ft. Folbot. I used a
>2.5 Mercury on a side gunnel mount. The motor would drive the boat at
>about 10 kts. Thrust being offset, caused the boat to steer better one
>way than the other, and neither felt very responsive. I found it best
>to continue to use the standard rudder, and keep the motor set straight
>for thrust only. If your canoe is square back and the motor can be
>mounted on the back, then these may not be issues.

No, I'm in the process of making a bracket to mount the motor off the
starboard side of stern.

>The main problem occurred when the boat rolled, and the motor ended up
>holding the boat in a sidways position! The boat would not sink,
>because of float bags, but being full of water, I could not roll it
>upright either with the additional weight of the motor. Luckily a power
>boater came along and towed me to shore where I was able to get it
>upright and pumped out. After that incident, I retired the motor.

I've read of other people having the same problem. One canoeist said
he fixed the motor to steer straingt ahead and used a paddle for
steering.

I am guessing that the rolling problem you experienced would be less
likely to happen if the prop is higher up rather than well below the
bottom of the canoe. Would anyone agree?
>
>I figured that the only time I would use the motor, was if there was a
>strong current that I was trying to go against, and that would be the
>time It would flip on me. The best it would do is overcome a 10 knt
>current, which I could just as easily paddle against without the hassle
>of the motor.

Hmm.. you must have more stamina than me!

Al D
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Al D wrote:
> On 20 Jun 2006 18:17:51 -0700, "Tinkerntom"
> wrote:
>
> >> Yes... I mostly paddle. The outboard is really a safety measure to get
> >> me out of trouble.
> >
> >That's the problem, if you get in trouble paddling, you won't be in a
> >position to deploy a motor to get you out of that same trouble.
>
> I wasn't referring to that kind of 'trouble', actually.
>
> Al D

Well, now you have me curious, what kind of trouble are you actually
referring too? TnT
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On 20 Jun 2006 18:17:51 -0700, "Tinkerntom"
wrote:

>> Yes... I mostly paddle. The outboard is really a safety measure to get
>> me out of trouble.
>
>That's the problem, if you get in trouble paddling, you won't be in a
>position to deploy a motor to get you out of that same trouble.

I wasn't referring to that kind of 'trouble', actually.

Al D
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On 21 Jun 2006 07:27:54 -0700, "Tinkerntom"
wrote:

>Well, now you have me curious, what kind of trouble are you actually
>referring too? TnT

Receiving an emergency call requiring me to get home fast to attend to
a business emergency when the tide is against me.

Getting home when I am unable to paddle due to sickness or injury
would be another.

I could go on...

Al D
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Weigh the outboard. Strap the same weight to the end of your
boat. Capsize the boat. Does the weighted end point straight down
to the bottom? If so, you will have created a serious problem by
ADDING an outboard. Tom McCloud


On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:35:52 +0100, Al D wrote:

>
>I stumbled accross an old Evinrude Junior outboard motor today in a
>local chandlers: asking price £60. They assure me it's in good working
>order. It looks like it's well over 10 years old. I have the option of
>taking it back if I'm not happy. Research tells me it's probably 2hp.
>Does this sound like a good deal? I want it to power a 14ft open
>canoe. Have never owned an outboard motor before. Can anyone give me
>any tips on faults to look out for, or where I can obtain an owner's
>manual or any such helpful info? The guy in the shop says "you just
>put fuel in (50:1) and off you go; there's nothing much else to worry
>about." He says I can lay it flat in the boot of my car when it's not
>in use. Is that correct?
>
>Thanks for any info...
>
>Al D
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:06:27 GMT, Tom McCloud
wrote:

> Weigh the outboard. Strap the same weight to the end of your
>boat. Capsize the boat. Does the weighted end point straight down
>to the bottom? If so, you will have created a serious problem by
>ADDING an outboard. Tom McCloud

Hi Tom, Thanks for the comment. It's a very good point. I'm installing
an extra bouyancy bag at the stern to counteract the weight of the
motor. Luckily the motor is surprisingly lightweight.

Al D
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People have been running outboards on canoes for years; Grumman used to sell
a side-mount kit for their double-ender canoes (as opposed to their
square-stern canoes that would accept a motor without an extra bracket)

I side-mounted an Evenrude 6hp on a 17' Chestnut Prospector using a
home-made birch mount, with decent results, but had two specific problems to
solve. The first was that the motor would cavitate long before getting up
to speed. I rigged some birch bark on the motor's cavitation plate and
along the side of the canoe to eliminate this. The second was the added
weight of both the motor and me crammed near the stern of the canoe. I was
forced to carry extra weight in the bow to counteract this, which of course
lessened the efficiency of a light load, but allowed me to go against the
Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6 kts
and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts). The only other problem was the
cramped position the operator required to run the motor. The Chestnut is a
high-sided canoe made for carrying a load so, even with a substantial load,
another adult and camping gear for a few weeks, I had little concern of
flipping. The torque from the motor did make initial runs feel somewhat
unstable but was soon just part of the ride.

Brad Snow
s/v Aldonza

"Al D" wrote in message

>
> I stumbled accross an old Evinrude Junior outboard motor today in a
> local chandlers: asking price £60. They assure me it's in good working
> order. It looks like it's well over 10 years old. I have the option of
> taking it back if I'm not happy. Research tells me it's probably 2hp.
> Does this sound like a good deal? I want it to power a 14ft open
> canoe. Have never owned an outboard motor before. Can anyone give me
> any tips on faults to look out for, or where I can obtain an owner's
> manual or any such helpful info? The guy in the shop says "you just
> put fuel in (50:1) and off you go; there's nothing much else to worry
> about." He says I can lay it flat in the boot of my car when it's not
> in use. Is that correct?
>
> Thanks for any info...
>
> Al D
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:56:05 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

>People have been running outboards on canoes for years; Grumman used to sell
>a side-mount kit for their double-ender canoes (as opposed to their
>square-stern canoes that would accept a motor without an extra bracket)
>
>I side-mounted an Evenrude 6hp on a 17' Chestnut Prospector using a
>home-made birch mount, with decent results, but had two specific problems to
>solve. The first was that the motor would cavitate long before getting up
>to speed. I rigged some birch bark on the motor's cavitation plate and
>along the side of the canoe to eliminate this. The second was the added
>weight of both the motor and me crammed near the stern of the canoe. I was
>forced to carry extra weight in the bow to counteract this, which of course
>lessened the efficiency of a light load, but allowed me to go against the
>Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6 kts
>and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts). The only other problem was the
>cramped position the operator required to run the motor. The Chestnut is a
>high-sided canoe made for carrying a load so, even with a substantial load,
>another adult and camping gear for a few weeks, I had little concern of
>flipping. The torque from the motor did make initial runs feel somewhat
>unstable but was soon just part of the ride.


Hi Brad, Thanks for the input. Yes, I always have a load of camping
gear with me too, so the bow is usually well-weighted down. The motor
I am currently playing with is very light too.

Al D
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I started out with a 4-horse, which was more than adequate for that canoe,
and a tidy bit lighter, but Evenrude had problems that year (1976) with
their 4-horse block getting enough cooling, so I upgraded to the 6. This
worked quite well as I later upgraded (downgraded; wood-canvas to aluminum)
to a Grumman 19' square-stern and the 6 pushed that along beautifully,
hauling over #1200 of chum salmon at a time.
Brad



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> On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:56:05 GMT, "padeen"
> wrote:
>
>>People have been running outboards on canoes for years; Grumman used to
>>sell
>>a side-mount kit for their double-ender canoes (as opposed to their
>>square-stern canoes that would accept a motor without an extra bracket)
>>
>>I side-mounted an Evenrude 6hp on a 17' Chestnut Prospector using a
>>home-made birch mount, with decent results, but had two specific problems
>>to
>>solve. The first was that the motor would cavitate long before getting up
>>to speed. I rigged some birch bark on the motor's cavitation plate and
>>along the side of the canoe to eliminate this. The second was the added
>>weight of both the motor and me crammed near the stern of the canoe. I
>>was
>>forced to carry extra weight in the bow to counteract this, which of
>>course
>>lessened the efficiency of a light load, but allowed me to go against the
>>Yukon River current solo quite easily (the river current was around 4-6
>>kts
>>and I could go upstream about 4-6 kts). The only other problem was the
>>cramped position the operator required to run the motor. The Chestnut is
>>a
>>high-sided canoe made for carrying a load so, even with a substantial
>>load,
>>another adult and camping gear for a few weeks, I had little concern of
>>flipping. The torque from the motor did make initial runs feel somewhat
>>unstable but was soon just part of the ride.
>
>
> Hi Brad, Thanks for the input. Yes, I always have a load of camping
> gear with me too, so the bow is usually well-weighted down. The motor
> I am currently playing with is very light too.
>
> Al D
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:49:07 GMT, "padeen"
wrote:

>I started out with a 4-horse, which was more than adequate for that canoe,
>and a tidy bit lighter, but Evenrude had problems that year (1976) with
>their 4-horse block getting enough cooling, so I upgraded to the 6. This
>worked quite well as I later upgraded (downgraded; wood-canvas to aluminum)
>to a Grumman 19' square-stern and the 6 pushed that along beautifully,
>hauling over #1200 of chum salmon at a time.
>Brad

That's a lot of salmon! I got my Evinrude 2hp motor working yesterday.
All it needed was a new HT lead and a bit of adjustment on the mixture
screws.

It has two mixture screws on the carb: one above the other. I assume
one is for fuel and the other for air. I wish I knew which was which.
The top screw seems to like to be in the fully clockwise (minimum)
position. Anything else causes the engine to falter.

AL D
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Please don't take my word as fact; I'm not really a very knowledgable small
engine mechanic, but I think one screw is idle and the other is power
(cruising rpm). AND, there is some danger in running an engine too lean as
it runs hotter and can burn rungs. If it won't run anywhere else, check the
air filter. Also, a jet that will run best only closed is a worn jet.
Bottom line: run it where it runs best. Good luck.

That six horse Evenrude sure gave some service. I ran it for three years,
probably 3hrs a day for 150 days a year, then sold it to a friend who got
another six years from it as a spare. Its biggest problem was that the top
"bearing" wasn't a real bearing; just sleeved in the aluminum block. When
it got older the shaft would wobble, causing the points to become inaccurate
and the motor to start hard and run lousy. Still worked, though.

The other problem was that the Yukon was heavily silt-laden so we'd go
through a water pump rebuild kit every year.

Brad




"Al D" wrote in message

> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:49:07 GMT, "padeen"
> wrote:
>
>>I started out with a 4-horse, which was more than adequate for that canoe,
>>and a tidy bit lighter, but Evenrude had problems that year (1976) with
>>their 4-horse block getting enough cooling, so I upgraded to the 6. This
>>worked quite well as I later upgraded (downgraded; wood-canvas to
>>aluminum)
>>to a Grumman 19' square-stern and the 6 pushed that along beautifully,
>>hauling over #1200 of chum salmon at a time.
>>Brad
>
> That's a lot of salmon! I got my Evinrude 2hp motor working yesterday.
> All it needed was a new HT lead and a bit of adjustment on the mixture
> screws.
>
> It has two mixture screws on the carb: one above the other. I assume
> one is for fuel and the other for air. I wish I knew which was which.
> The top screw seems to like to be in the fully clockwise (minimum)
> position. Anything else causes the engine to falter.
>
> AL D
>
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> The one thing I couldn't find on that Oral History website was an
> enumeration of the 54 Eskino words for "Brad".

Just two: "small nail" you open-boat reprobate!
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