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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:53 pm
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"Harry Krause" <piedtypecase RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bs4cc7>
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> struggles, has now emerged as a snotty-nosed Republican conservative who
> knows nothing of consequence about how the world works.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 3:58 pm
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:44:19 -0500, thunder <thunderTAKEOUT.RemoveThis@gti.net>
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>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:01:07 +0000, NOYB wrote:
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>> Wanna know *why* Illinois has such a higher rate of unemployment, hmmmmmm?
>> Here's your answer:
>>
>> Governor=Democrat
>> Lt. Govenor=Democrat
>> State House= Controlled by Democrats
>> State Senate= Controlled by Democrats Mayor of Chicago=Democrat
>>
>> Ever wonder why the states that are run by Democrats seem to have the
>> worst economies and worst financial crises? You can't tax the hell out of
>> businesses and then expect them to set up shop in your state.
>
While logically, that seems reasonable, the statistics don't seem to
bear that out. The 13 states with the greatest unemployment do not
stand out as patently unfriendly to business. Similarly, a low
unemployment rate doesn't seem to imply that the state is business
friendly. While businesses clearly indicate that Republican
controlled states are more "friendly," that doesn't seem to have kept
them from laying off workers in amounts equal to "unfriendly" states.
see: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bcentral.com/articles/harper/115.asp?format=print" target="_blank">http://www.bcentral.com/articles/harper/115.asp?format=print</a>
(the numbers in parenthesis, below, indicate the state's ranking).
>That must be why Texas' unemployment rate is 6.3%. Oops, Texas is
>controlled by Republicans.
>
>And Alaska's is 7.3%. Oops, another Republican state.
>
>And then there is Maryland, 3.8%. Yup, it's a Democratic state.
>
>Geez, NOYB, look at the map. I would suggest that there is more of a
>correlation to the type of economy, than who controls the legislature.
>
>http://www.lioninc.com/lion/unemployment_by_state1
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>http://www.statescape.com/Resources/partysplits/partysplits.asp
Average Unemployment for the US 6%
Average Unemployment for Democratic States 5.463%
Average Unemployment for Republican States 5.085%
Some interesting observations.
Some of the states with the least problem with unemployment are not
manufacturing states and did not suffer from NAFTA... and they happen
to be Republican controlled.
Manufacturing states, regardless of political control, have high
unemployment.
States with split control fared worse than either Democrats or
Republicans and unless my math is wrong pulled the national average
down to 6.0%.
Southern border states (Democratic, except TX) fair worse than other
states... if you want to draw a R vs D conclusion, I think it is fair
to point out the present administration's incredibly poor record in
controlling our borders. One wonders how bad this would have been had
it not been for 9/11.
I just saw the 1st Q statistics for NC. Some would say *GOOD NEWS*
13% of NC businesses plan on hiring in Q1. I would probably be called
negative in pointing out that at the same time 23% of NC business
intend to lay-off in Q1.
South Dakota 3.1% -- R (2)
Virginia 3.5% -- R (15)
North Dakota 3.6% -- R (24)
Nebraska 3.8% -- Split (31)
Wyoming 3.9% -- R (4)
Delaware 4.0% -- Split (29)
Vermont 4.0% -- Split (42)
Maryland 4.1% -- D (27)
Georgia 4.2% -- Split (23)
Hawaii 4.2% -- D (49)
Montana 4.2% -- R (3 
New Hampshire 4.3% -- R (7)
Rhode Island 4.4% -- D (50)
Iowa 4.5% -- R (39)
Minnesota 4.6% -- Split (46)
Kansas 4.7% -- R (47)
Utah 4.7% -- R (34)
Florida 4.8% -- R (5)
Connecticut 4.9% -- D (33)
Arizona 5.0% -- R (20)
Nevada 5.0% -- Split (1)
Indiana 5.1% -- Split (16)
Maine 5.1% -- D (4
Missouri 5.2% -- R (17)
Idaho 5.3% -- R (26)
Oklahoma 5.3% -- D (2
Pennsylvania 5.4% -- R (22)
Wisconsin 5.4% -- R (30)
Colorado 5.5% -- Split (11)
Kentucky 5.5% -- Split (32)
Louisiana 5.5% -- D (19)
Tennessee 5.5% -- D (10)
Alabama 5.6% --- D (
Massachusetts 5.6% - D (21)
Ohio 5.6% -- R (40)
Mississippi 5.7% -- D (9)
New Jersey 5.7% -- Split (37)
West Virginia 5.9% -- D (41)
____________________________________________
U.S. Average (as of October) 6.0%
____________________________________________
New Mexico 6.1% -- D (45)
North Carolina 6.1% -- Split (35)
Arkansas 6.2% -- D (25)
New York 6.2% -- Split (43)
Texas 6.5% -- R (6)
California 6.6% -- D (44)
District of Columbia 6.7% -- Split (51)
Illinois 6.7% -- D (13)
Washington 7.0% -- Split (3)
South Carolina 7.1% -- R (1
Alaska 7.3% -- R (14)
Michigan 7.6% -- R (12)
Oregon 7.6% -- Split (36)
It would be interesting to see anon-partisan scientific study on this
subject. It would appear that conventional wisdom is simply
inaccurate and unfounded. I'd just like to know the documented truth.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:40 pm
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:58:28 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote:
> It would be interesting to see anon-partisan scientific study on this
> subject. It would appear that conventional wisdom is simply inaccurate
> and unfounded. I'd just like to know the documented truth.
Thanks for the work. Interesting stuff. I suspect that if it were
scientifically studied, quite a few of our perceptions of Democrats and
Republicans, both pro and con, would be found to be inaccurate, but then I
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:38 pm
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"Gene Kearns" <ewkearns RemoveThis @triad.rr.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> While logically, that seems reasonable, the statistics don't seem to
> bear that out. The 13 states with the greatest unemployment do not
> stand out as patently unfriendly to business. Similarly, a low
> unemployment rate doesn't seem to imply that the state is business
> friendly. While businesses clearly indicate that Republican
> controlled states are more "friendly," that doesn't seem to have kept
> them from laying off workers in amounts equal to "unfriendly" states.
>
<font color=purple> > see: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bcentral.com/articles/harper/115.asp?format=print</font" target="_blank">http://www.bcentral.com/articles/harper/115.asp?format=print</font</a>>
>
> (the numbers in parenthesis, below, indicate the state's ranking).
>
> >That must be why Texas' unemployment rate is 6.3%. Oops, Texas is
> >controlled by Republicans.
> >
> >And Alaska's is 7.3%. Oops, another Republican state.
> >
> >And then there is Maryland, 3.8%. Yup, it's a Democratic state.
> >
> >Geez, NOYB, look at the map. I would suggest that there is more of a
> >correlation to the type of economy, than who controls the legislature.
> >
> >http://www.lioninc.com/lion/unemployment_by_state1
> >
> >http://www.statescape.com/Resources/partysplits/partysplits.asp
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>
> Average Unemployment for the US 6%
> Average Unemployment for Democratic States 5.463%
> Average Unemployment for Republican States 5.085%
>
I would question all the conclusions just looking at the above statement.
How many states are not Republican or Democrat controlled? With the Dem's
at 5.5% and the Repubs at 5.1% Average cannot be 6%!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: It's STILL the Economy, Stupids... |
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:38 pm
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:38:37 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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>I would question all the conclusions just looking at the above statement.
>How many states are not Republican or Democrat controlled?
If you hadn't snipped out the information... it was contained in the
post.
>With the Dem's
>at 5.5% and the Repubs at 5.1% Average cannot be 6%!
>
Average was calculated from the webpage I got the info from and I
didn't bother to verify it. It may be weighted in some manner I
didn't account for.
Split average... as I calculate it, is 5.347%
Average Unemployment for Democratic States 5.463%
Average Unemployment for Republican States 5.085%
Nebraska 3.8% -- Split (31)
Delaware 4.0% -- Split (29)
Vermont 4.0% -- Split (42)
Georgia 4.2% -- Split (23)
Minnesota 4.6% -- Split (46)
Nevada 5.0% -- Split (1)
Indiana 5.1% -- Split (16)
Colorado 5.5% -- Split (11)
Kentucky 5.5% -- Split (32)
New Jersey 5.7% -- Split (37)
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U.S. Average (as of October) 6.0%
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North Carolina 6.1% -- Split (35)
New York 6.2% -- Split (43)
District of Columbia 6.7% -- Split (51)
Washington 7.0% -- Split (3)
Oregon 7.6% -- Split (36)
I think all other conclusions are reasonable... not having spent a few
days involved in statistical analysis.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 3:13 am
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Unfortunately for Mr. Sells, his plight is not the result of the economy or
politics. If it were, he could expect that his situation might be
temporary.
In the eighties CTP , or computer to plate technology, was in it's infancy.
At that time, there was still doubts about it's viability. By the early
nineties, the system had proven itself and the larger printers were adopting
it. Technology improved rapidly and, with accompanying price reductions,
mid sized printers such as Tempo Graphics in Carol Stream came to realize
that, in order to remain competitive, they would also have to make the
transition. This of course meant that job opportunities for individuals
with Mr. Sells' skills would become more and more scarce. This is the
entirely the result of technological advancement and it is an ongoing
problem for the displaced worker with the wrong set of skills. Mr. Sells
could probably find another job in prepress but it would likely be with a
smaller printer who could not match his previous level of compensation. It
may also involve relocation. Extending unemployment benefits while he waits
it out will not resolve his problem, but simply postpone the inevitable.
The moral of the story is that a persons skills are only valuable when there
is a market for those skills. As technology changes, people must adapt and
acquire the new skills to compete in the job market. After all, the CTP
revolution did not catch anyone in the graphic arts industry by surprise, it
has been steadily growing for at least ten years.
Harry Krause wrote:
> Out of work and full of worry
> Call for renewed federal aid not likely to be heard
>
>
> By Imran Vittachi
> Chicago Tribune staff reporter
>
> December 20, 2003
>
> Cecil Sells considers himself one of the "luckier" ones, even though
> he's been jobless since September, laid off from his $50,000-a-year job
> as a pre-press operator in Carol Stream.
>
> *Others have had it tougher for a lot longer. In November, the long-term
> unemployed were out of work for an average of more than 20 weeks, the
> highest it has been since January 1984, according to the Bureau of Labor
> Statistics.*
>
> Sells, 45, of Sycamore, said he is not encouraged by the Bush
> administration's claims that the economy is improving.
>
> "Maybe that's happening in some never-never land," said Sells. "But if I
> don't find a job by March, I may have to sell my house or find other
> measures to feed my family."
>
> In March, his weekly state unemployment check of $331, which goes toward
> supporting him and his wife and helps pay on his son's college loans,
> will run out.
>
> Sells was among a small group of unemployed Illinois residents who
> joined leaders of anti-poverty organizations and Rep. Jan Schakowsky
> (D-Ill.), to call on the Bush administration and the
> Republican-controlled Congress to renew federal benefits. A lifeline
> lasting 13 weeks, the benefits kick in after state support runs out, but
> the package is set to expire Sunday.
>
> "The Grinch is back [this Christmas]," Schakowsky said at the Friday
> press conference, which was sponsored by the local chapter of the
> AFL-CIO at a church in the Loop.
>
> She said President Bush, together with House Speaker Dennis Hastert and
> their fellow Republicans, were now "toasting each other for this
> supposed economic recovery."
>
> *"They're ignoring the 8.7 million unemployed workers and those who are
> about to lose their benefits," Schakowsky said.*
>
> Last Christmas, Bush extended benefits into the new year. But this time
> that appears unlikely; Congress has adjourned for the holidays.
>
> "There seems to be more resistance from the Republican Congress than
> last year," said Ross Eisenbrey, vice president of the Economic Policy
> Center, a Washington think tank. "Without presidential intervention,
> this time Congress won't renew it."
>
> Despite encouraging reports from the Department of Labor that the
> national economy may be pulling out of its morass, and that the
> nationwide unemployment rate is finally dipping, the outlook for
> recovery in Illinois isn't so bright.
>
> While nationwide unemployment fell in November to 5.9 percent, it stood
> at 6.7 percent in Illinois. In some pockets Downstate, the rate ranges
> between 7 percent and 10 percent, said Margaret Blackshere, head of the
> Chicago AFL-CIO.
>
> Eisenbrey and others say this is no time to terminate the benefits,
> known as Temporary Extended Unemployment Compensation. November's
> long-term unemployment rate eclipsed the average of 15.4 weeks set in
> March 2002, when the benefits took hold.
>
> "The notion that the economy is turning around and that this is no
> longer needed is just wrong," said Eisenbrey. He pointed to long-term
> unemployment indicators, which in November were higher than in March
> 2002, when the federal benefits were introduced. "It should at least be
> extended for another six months."
>
> The White House, and the offices of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
> (R-Tenn.) and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas), did not respond
> Friday to requests for comment.
> --
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Jim Kelly wrote:
> Unfortunately for Mr. Sells, his plight is not the result of the economy or
> politics. If it were, he could expect that his situation might be
> temporary.
>
> In the eighties CTP , or computer to plate technology, was in it's infancy.
> At that time, there was still doubts about it's viability. By the early
> nineties, the system had proven itself and the larger printers were adopting
> it. Technology improved rapidly and, with accompanying price reductions,
> mid sized printers such as Tempo Graphics in Carol Stream came to realize
> that, in order to remain competitive, they would also have to make the
> transition. This of course meant that job opportunities for individuals
> with Mr. Sells' skills would become more and more scarce. This is the
> entirely the result of technological advancement and it is an ongoing
> problem for the displaced worker with the wrong set of skills. Mr. Sells
> could probably find another job in prepress but it would likely be with a
> smaller printer who could not match his previous level of compensation. It
> may also involve relocation. Extending unemployment benefits while he waits
> it out will not resolve his problem, but simply postpone the inevitable.
>
> The moral of the story is that a persons skills are only valuable when there
> is a market for those skills. As technology changes, people must adapt and
> acquire the new skills to compete in the job market. After all, the CTP
> revolution did not catch anyone in the graphic arts industry by surprise, it
> has been steadily growing for at least ten years.
>
> Harry Krause wrote:
>
>> Out of work and full of worry
>> Call for renewed federal aid not likely to be heard
>>
>>
>> By Imran Vittachi
>> Chicago Tribune staff reporter
>>
>> December 20, 2003
>>
>> Cecil Sells considers himself one of the "luckier" ones, even though
>> he's been jobless since September, laid off from his $50,000-a-year job
>> as a pre-press operator in Carol Stream.
>>
>> *Others have had it tougher for a lot longer. In November, the long-term
>> unemployed were out of work for an average of more than 20 weeks, the
>> highest it has been since January 1984, according to the Bureau of Labor
>> Statistics.*
>>
>> Sells, 45, of Sycamore, said he is not encouraged by the Bush
>> administration's claims that the economy is improving.
>>
>> "Maybe that's happening in some never-never land," said Sells. "But if I
>> don't find a job by March, I may have to sell my house or find other
>> measures to feed my family."
>>
>> In March, his weekly state unemployment check of $331, which goes toward
>> supporting him and his wife and helps pay on his son's college loans,
>> will run out.
>>
>> Sells was among a small group of unemployed Illinois residents who
>> joined leaders of anti-poverty organizations and Rep. Jan Schakowsky
>> (D-Ill.), to call on the Bush administration and the
>> Republican-controlled Congress to renew federal benefits. A lifeline
>> lasting 13 weeks, the benefits kick in after state support runs out, but
>> the package is set to expire Sunday.
>>
>> "The Grinch is back [this Christmas]," Schakowsky said at the Friday
>> press conference, which was sponsored by the local chapter of the
>> AFL-CIO at a church in the Loop.
>>
>> She said President Bush, together with House Speaker Dennis Hastert and
>> their fellow Republicans, were now "toasting each other for this
>> supposed economic recovery."
>>
>> *"They're ignoring the 8.7 million unemployed workers and those who are
>> about to lose their benefits," Schakowsky said.*
>>
>> Last Christmas, Bush extended benefits into the new year. But this time
>> that appears unlikely; Congress has adjourned for the holidays.
>>
>> "There seems to be more resistance from the Republican Congress than
>> last year," said Ross Eisenbrey, vice president of the Economic Policy
>> Center, a Washington think tank. "Without presidential intervention,
>> this time Congress won't renew it."
>>
>> Despite encouraging reports from the Department of Labor that the
>> national economy may be pulling out of its morass, and that the
>> nationwide unemployment rate is finally dipping, the outlook for
>> recovery in Illinois isn't so bright.
>>
>> While nationwide unemployment fell in November to 5.9 percent, it stood
>> at 6.7 percent in Illinois. In some pockets Downstate, the rate ranges
>> between 7 percent and 10 percent, said Margaret Blackshere, head of the
>> Chicago AFL-CIO.
>>
>> Eisenbrey and others say this is no time to terminate the benefits,
>> known as Temporary Extended Unemployment Compensation. November's
>> long-term unemployment rate eclipsed the average of 15.4 weeks set in
>> March 2002, when the benefits took hold.
>>
>> "The notion that the economy is turning around and that this is no
>> longer needed is just wrong," said Eisenbrey. He pointed to long-term
>> unemployment indicators, which in November were higher than in March
>> 2002, when the federal benefits were introduced. "It should at least be
>> extended for another six months."
>>
>> The White House, and the offices of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
>> (R-Tenn.) and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas), did not respond
>> Friday to requests for comment.
>> --
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>
No, the moral of this story should be that when a worker's skills are
obsolete, that worker is helped, with a combination of unemployment and
training, to learn enough to do a new job that maintains his standard of
living.
As they do in more progressive countries. Like Norway, Sweden, Finland,
for example.
What we have now is disposability.
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Harry,
I do not disagree with your contention that help should be made available in the
form of retraining. However, the worker must recognize the need and be willing to
accept the fact that he or she must make an effort to adapt. Once again, the CTP
revolution did not take the industry by surprise. Many individuals in prepress
did what was necessary to make the transition. It appears Mr. Sells would prefer
to adopt the role of victim and bemoan his plight to the press.
Harry Krause wrote:
> Jim Kelly wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately for Mr. Sells, his plight is not the result of the economy or
> > politics. If it were, he could expect that his situation might be
> > temporary.
> >
> > In the eighties CTP , or computer to plate technology, was in it's infancy.
> > At that time, there was still doubts about it's viability. By the early
> > nineties, the system had proven itself and the larger printers were adopting
> > it. Technology improved rapidly and, with accompanying price reductions,
> > mid sized printers such as Tempo Graphics in Carol Stream came to realize
> > that, in order to remain competitive, they would also have to make the
> > transition. This of course meant that job opportunities for individuals
> > with Mr. Sells' skills would become more and more scarce. This is the
> > entirely the result of technological advancement and it is an ongoing
> > problem for the displaced worker with the wrong set of skills. Mr. Sells
> > could probably find another job in prepress but it would likely be with a
> > smaller printer who could not match his previous level of compensation. It
> > may also involve relocation. Extending unemployment benefits while he waits
> > it out will not resolve his problem, but simply postpone the inevitable.
> >
> > The moral of the story is that a persons skills are only valuable when there
> > is a market for those skills. As technology changes, people must adapt and
> > acquire the new skills to compete in the job market. After all, the CTP
> > revolution did not catch anyone in the graphic arts industry by surprise, it
> > has been steadily growing for at least ten years.
> >
> > Harry Krause wrote:
> >
> >> Out of work and full of worry
> >> Call for renewed federal aid not likely to be heard
> >>
> >>
> >> By Imran Vittachi
> >> Chicago Tribune staff reporter
> >>
> >> December 20, 2003
> >>
> >> Cecil Sells considers himself one of the "luckier" ones, even though
> >> he's been jobless since September, laid off from his $50,000-a-year job
> >> as a pre-press operator in Carol Stream.
> >>
> >> *Others have had it tougher for a lot longer. In November, the long-term
> >> unemployed were out of work for an average of more than 20 weeks, the
> >> highest it has been since January 1984, according to the Bureau of Labor
> >> Statistics.*
> >>
> >> Sells, 45, of Sycamore, said he is not encouraged by the Bush
> >> administration's claims that the economy is improving.
> >>
> >> "Maybe that's happening in some never-never land," said Sells. "But if I
> >> don't find a job by March, I may have to sell my house or find other
> >> measures to feed my family."
> >>
> >> In March, his weekly state unemployment check of $331, which goes toward
> >> supporting him and his wife and helps pay on his son's college loans,
> >> will run out.
> >>
> >> Sells was among a small group of unemployed Illinois residents who
> >> joined leaders of anti-poverty organizations and Rep. Jan Schakowsky
> >> (D-Ill.), to call on the Bush administration and the
> >> Republican-controlled Congress to renew federal benefits. A lifeline
> >> lasting 13 weeks, the benefits kick in after state support runs out, but
> >> the package is set to expire Sunday.
> >>
> >> "The Grinch is back [this Christmas]," Schakowsky said at the Friday
> >> press conference, which was sponsored by the local chapter of the
> >> AFL-CIO at a church in the Loop.
> >>
> >> She said President Bush, together with House Speaker Dennis Hastert and
> >> their fellow Republicans, were now "toasting each other for this
> >> supposed economic recovery."
> >>
> >> *"They're ignoring the 8.7 million unemployed workers and those who are
> >> about to lose their benefits," Schakowsky said.*
> >>
> >> Last Christmas, Bush extended benefits into the new year. But this time
> >> that appears unlikely; Congress has adjourned for the holidays.
> >>
> >> "There seems to be more resistance from the Republican Congress than
> >> last year," said Ross Eisenbrey, vice president of the Economic Policy
> >> Center, a Washington think tank. "Without presidential intervention,
> >> this time Congress won't renew it."
> >>
> >> Despite encouraging reports from the Department of Labor that the
> >> national economy may be pulling out of its morass, and that the
> >> nationwide unemployment rate is finally dipping, the outlook for
> >> recovery in Illinois isn't so bright.
> >>
> >> While nationwide unemployment fell in November to 5.9 percent, it stood
> >> at 6.7 percent in Illinois. In some pockets Downstate, the rate ranges
> >> between 7 percent and 10 percent, said Margaret Blackshere, head of the
> >> Chicago AFL-CIO.
> >>
> >> Eisenbrey and others say this is no time to terminate the benefits,
> >> known as Temporary Extended Unemployment Compensation. November's
> >> long-term unemployment rate eclipsed the average of 15.4 weeks set in
> >> March 2002, when the benefits took hold.
> >>
> >> "The notion that the economy is turning around and that this is no
> >> longer needed is just wrong," said Eisenbrey. He pointed to long-term
> >> unemployment indicators, which in November were higher than in March
> >> 2002, when the federal benefits were introduced. "It should at least be
> >> extended for another six months."
> >>
> >> The White House, and the offices of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
> >> (R-Tenn.) and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas), did not respond
> >> Friday to requests for comment.
> >> --
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>
> No, the moral of this story should be that when a worker's skills are
> obsolete, that worker is helped, with a combination of unemployment and
> training, to learn enough to do a new job that maintains his standard of
> living.
>
> As they do in more progressive countries. Like Norway, Sweden, Finland,
> for example.
>
> What we have now is disposability.
>
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"thunder" <thunderTAKEOUT.RemoveThis@gti.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:01:07 +0000, NOYB wrote:
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> > Wanna know *why* Illinois has such a higher rate of unemployment,
hmmmmmm?
> > Here's your answer:
> >
> > Governor=Democrat
> > Lt. Govenor=Democrat
> > State House= Controlled by Democrats
> > State Senate= Controlled by Democrats Mayor of Chicago=Democrat
> >
> > Ever wonder why the states that are run by Democrats seem to have the
> > worst economies and worst financial crises? You can't tax the hell out
of
> > businesses and then expect them to set up shop in your state.
>
> That must be why Texas' unemployment rate is 6.3%. Oops, Texas is
> controlled by Republicans.
No. Texas has an immigration problem.
>
> And Alaska's is 7.3%.
Alaska has too many unfavorable conditions to lure business there.
As for the rest of the states...
Republicans only control the legislature in 40% of the top ten states with
the highest unemployment rate. If you throw out Alaska and Texas for the
aforementioned reasons, then Republicans only control the legislature in 20%
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:31:31 GMT, "NOYB" <NOYB.RemoveThis@noyb.com> wrote:
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>I've edited Harry's post for accuracy:
>NOYB...is a dentist...who...moved south to Florida...and...has emerged as a
>Republican conservative who knows...how the world works.
>
>
Yup, that's what I read!
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NOYB wrote:
> I've edited Harry's post for accuracy:
> NOYB...is a dentist...who...moved south to Florida...and...has emerged as a
> Republican conservative who knows...how the world works.
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>
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>
What about you?
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"Bert Robbins" <screw.RemoveThis@you.com> wrote in message
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> "thunder" <thunderTAKEOUT.RemoveThis@gti.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.12.21.14.44.18.24446@gti.net...
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:01:07 +0000, NOYB wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Wanna know *why* Illinois has such a higher rate of unemployment,
> hmmmmmm?
> > > Here's your answer:
> > >
> > > Governor=Democrat
> > > Lt. Govenor=Democrat
> > > State House= Controlled by Democrats
> > > State Senate= Controlled by Democrats Mayor of Chicago=Democrat
> > >
> > > Ever wonder why the states that are run by Democrats seem to have the
> > > worst economies and worst financial crises? You can't tax the hell
out
> of
> > > businesses and then expect them to set up shop in your state.
> >
> > That must be why Texas' unemployment rate is 6.3%. Oops, Texas is
> > controlled by Republicans.
> >
> > And Alaska's is 7.3%. Oops, another Republican state.
> >
> > And then there is Maryland, 3.8%. Yup, it's a Democratic state.
>
> Our current governor in Maryland is a Republican. The two previous
elections
> for governor were extremely close. The former Speaker of the Maryland
House,
> a Democrat, was left wondering why he lost his seat in the last election.
It
> was a coattails effect of ensuring the election of a Republican to the
> highest office.
>
Bert,
You have a state that: (a) doesn't have an immigration problem, and (b) has
a favorable climate for business. Trying to compare Texas or Alaska to
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>he is the more arrogant and least competent governor
> in the state's history
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"Gene Kearns" <ewkearns.RemoveThis@triad.rr.nospam.com> wrote in message
> Average Unemployment for the US 6%
> Average Unemployment for Democratic States 5.463%
> Average Unemployment for Republican States 5.085%
That statistic presents a pretty strong argument to support my statement.
However, since both Democrat and Republican-controlled states *both* have
unemployment rates under 6%, and the *average* for the nation is higher than
each party's average, that means that the states in which the legislature is
split must be *significantly* higher than 6%. If that's the case, it makes
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