Documentation question?

If memory serves, registration applies only to large vessels, ie ocean-going
ships. Pleasure boats are licensed. This is where you get assigned the
numbers for the bow of your boat. It is one-time only and there is no fee
or renewal. It used to be handled by Canada Customs and is now handled by
Service Canada.

--
Denis Roy

"Buck Frobisher" <farside114.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:131n5oegvdhcq94@news.supernews.com...
> "Howard" <public.DeleteThis@hpeer.com> wrote in message
> news:80dd0$461ad881$43663f75$14049@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>> When I bought my boat a couple of years ago it was registered.
>>
>> I changed the registration to my name.
>>
>> I don't recall that there was an annual renewal or am I just forgetting?
>>
>> So, is anyone familiar with Canadian documentation regs on this point.
>>
>> Forever paranoid,
>>
>> Howard
>
> Just in case you've forgotten, the boat is Federally registered, and the
> trailer is Provincial. In neither case is there anything required unless
> they are sold/transferred, at least not here in Ontario.
>
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:00:21 GMT, "Denis Roy" <droy RemoveThis @ideasinwood.com>
wrote:

>If memory serves, registration applies only to large vessels, ie ocean-going
>ships. Pleasure boats are licensed. This is where you get assigned the
>numbers for the bow of your boat. It is one-time only and there is no fee
>or renewal. It used to be handled by Canada Customs and is now handled by
>Service Canada.

I'm afraid your memory doesn't serve.

According to the Safe Boating Guide, pleasure craft over 15 gross tons
(12 m) must be registered. Vessels under 15 tons must be licensed if
not registered. (Tonnage, in this case, is a measure of the interior
volume of the vessel, not its weight.)



--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

Peter Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:00:21 GMT, "Denis Roy" <droy.RemoveThis@ideasinwood.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If memory serves, registration applies only to large vessels, ie ocean-going
>> ships. Pleasure boats are licensed. This is where you get assigned the
>> numbers for the bow of your boat. It is one-time only and there is no fee
>> or renewal. It used to be handled by Canada Customs and is now handled by
>> Service Canada.
>
> I'm afraid your memory doesn't serve.
>
> According to the Safe Boating Guide, pleasure craft over 15 gross tons
> (12 m) must be registered. Vessels under 15 tons must be licensed if
> not registered. (Tonnage, in this case, is a measure of the interior
> volume of the vessel, not its weight.)
>
>
>
Yes, but do I have to DO anything on a periodic basis? I think not but
was just checking the collective conscious.
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

I would suspect that any vessel over 15 gross tons would certainly be
capable of ocean travel, and somewhat limited in its ability to tow a
waterskier. Therefore I wasn't entirely wrong. I just naturally assumed
that the original poster was referring to a towable boat.

--
Denis Roy


"Peter Bennett" <peterbb DeleteThis @somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:al5o1313eufigne6klpqqtip42i9p87rht@news.supernews.com...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:00:21 GMT, "Denis Roy" <droy DeleteThis @ideasinwood.com>
> wrote:
>
>>If memory serves, registration applies only to large vessels, ie
>>ocean-going
>>ships. Pleasure boats are licensed. This is where you get assigned the
>>numbers for the bow of your boat. It is one-time only and there is no fee
>>or renewal. It used to be handled by Canada Customs and is now handled by
>>Service Canada.
>
> I'm afraid your memory doesn't serve.
>
> According to the Safe Boating Guide, pleasure craft over 15 gross tons
> (12 m) must be registered. Vessels under 15 tons must be licensed if
> not registered. (Tonnage, in this case, is a measure of the interior
> volume of the vessel, not its weight.)
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
> peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
> new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq
> GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
> Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

Howard wrote:
> Peter Bennett wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:00:21 GMT, "Denis Roy" <droy.DeleteThis@ideasinwood.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If memory serves, registration applies only to large vessels, ie
>>> ocean-going ships. Pleasure boats are licensed. This is where you
>>> get assigned the numbers for the bow of your boat. It is one-time
>>> only and there is no fee or renewal. It used to be handled by Canada
>>> Customs and is now handled by Service Canada.
>>
>> I'm afraid your memory doesn't serve.
>>
>> According to the Safe Boating Guide, pleasure craft over 15 gross tons
>> (12 m) must be registered. Vessels under 15 tons must be licensed if
>> not registered. (Tonnage, in this case, is a measure of the interior
>> volume of the vessel, not its weight.)


> Yes, but do I have to DO anything on a periodic basis? I think not but
> was just checking the collective conscious.

Yes. In 2004, we received a letter (Registrar, Ship Registration, Marine
Safety, Transport Canada) indicating registration would expire at the
end of October 2007. We were informed that 30 days before expiration, a
"certificate of registry" will be mailed. The responsibility for renewal
is up to the vessel owner (this was underlined).

General info licenses/registration http://boating.ncf.ca/license.html
--
Pat Drummond
http://BoatinginCanada.com 10th Anniversary
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

On Apr 9, 8:21 pm, Howard <pub....RemoveThis@hpeer.com> wrote:
> When I bought my boat a couple of years ago it was registered.
>........
> Howard

I am going through a change of ownership on a registered vessel now
and was told by Transport Canada that the certificate or registry is
automatically renewed every 3 years at no cost, and nothing needs to
be done by the vessel owner.
Hope this helps.
Doug
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

doug58542002.TakeThisOut@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Apr 9, 8:21 pm, Howard <pub....TakeThisOut@hpeer.com> wrote:
>> When I bought my boat a couple of years ago it was registered.
>> ........
>> Howard
>
> I am going through a change of ownership on a registered vessel now
> and was told by Transport Canada that the certificate or registry is
> automatically renewed every 3 years at no cost, and nothing needs to
> be done by the vessel owner.
> Hope this helps.
> Doug

I would tend to believe the postal mail from Transport I mentioned
(registration renewal being the owner's responsibility was underlined
in bold). It's possible they have changed the procedures yet again of
course without telling anyone, but to be safe, I would phone them if you
haven't received the renewal 30 days before it expires. I'm sure a
lapsed registration would be quite a mess to fix.
--
Pat Drummond
http://BoatinginCanada.com 10th Anniversary
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

Thanks to all for your responses.

I am reassured at least in that I am not the only one some what
confused. I'll give them a call.

Howard



Howard wrote:
> When I bought my boat a couple of years ago it was registered.
>
> I changed the registration to my name.
>
> I don't recall that there was an annual renewal or am I just forgetting?
>
> So, is anyone familiar with Canadian documentation regs on this point.
>
> Forever paranoid,
>
> Howard
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

From the Transport Canada Site


Renewal of Registration

3. (1) An application for the renewal of the registration of a ship must
be made in the form and manner and include the information and be
accompanied by the documents specified by the Chief Registrar.

(2) The Chief Registrar must, not less than 30 days before the expiry of
the period during which the certificate of registry of a ship is valid,
notify the person set out in the Register as the owner of the ship or
their authorized representative that the information and documents
referred to in subsection (1) must be provided to the Chief Registrar.

Clear as MUD.

Then I found in a FAQ...........

12. Do I need to renew my Certificate of Registry?

A Certificate of Registry is valid for a period of three (3) years. A
Renewal Certificate of Registry is issued to the owner or the owner's
authorized representative 30 days prior to the expiration date. In the
event that the Renewal Certificate of Registry is not received at least
two weeks prior to the date of expiration, it is important to
immediately contact the Registrar at your Port of Registry, as a valid
Certificate of Registry must be kept on board the vessel at all times.

To ensure that your certificate remains valid, any change(s) to the
information shown on the certificate, including a change of address,
must be reported, in writing, to the Registrar at your Port of Registry
within 30 days of the changes being made. Failure to report may result
in the suspension or cancellation of the registry of your vessel and
rendering your Certificate of Registry invalid. Anyone operating a
vessel with an invalid document is in contravention of the Canada
Shipping Act and liable to prosecution. Top of Page

So, I have answered my own questions. I should not have been so lazy to
start with. My apologies.

Howard

Howard wrote:
> When I bought my boat a couple of years ago it was registered.
>
> I changed the registration to my name.
>
> I don't recall that there was an annual renewal or am I just forgetting?
>
> So, is anyone familiar with Canadian documentation regs on this point.
>
> Forever paranoid,
>
> Howard
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

"Denis Roy" <droy DeleteThis @ideasinwood.com> wrote in message
news:_7VSh.51418$6m4.35799@pd7urf1no...
>I would suspect that any vessel over 15 gross tons would certainly be
>capable of ocean travel, and somewhat limited in its ability to tow a
>waterskier. Therefore I wasn't entirely wrong. I just naturally assumed
>that the original poster was referring to a towable boat.
>
> --
> Denis Roy
>
>
> "Peter Bennett" <peterbb DeleteThis @somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:al5o1313eufigne6klpqqtip42i9p87rht@news.supernews.com...
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:00:21 GMT, "Denis Roy" <droy DeleteThis @ideasinwood.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>If memory serves, registration applies only to large vessels, ie
>>>ocean-going
>>>ships. Pleasure boats are licensed. This is where you get assigned the
>>>numbers for the bow of your boat. It is one-time only and there is no
>>>fee
>>>or renewal. It used to be handled by Canada Customs and is now handled
>>>by
>>>Service Canada.
>>
>> I'm afraid your memory doesn't serve.
>>
>> According to the Safe Boating Guide, pleasure craft over 15 gross tons
>> (12 m) must be registered. Vessels under 15 tons must be licensed if
>> not registered. (Tonnage, in this case, is a measure of the interior
>> volume of the vessel, not its weight.)
>>

As Peter states, tons in this regard has nothing to do with the actual
displacement of the vessel, rather it is a measure of the interior volume
that could be used to hold cargo.
You could have a racing sailboat that is more than 12m in overall length
displacing only 5 tons and it would require a measurement to determine
"tonnage".
The key here is the overall length. Any recreational craft over 12m (40
feet) requires a measurement by an accredited admeasurer to determine
tonnage. If you are over 15 tons I think you must "name register" the
vessel (once called "blue book registry as they gave you a blue book
documenting the registration). If your tonnage measures to less than 15 I
believe you have the choice to name register or provincially license with a
number.
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question? 

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:41:54 GMT, "Gordon Wedman" <PacG.TakeThisOut@telus.net>
wrote:


>The key here is the overall length. Any recreational craft over 12m (40
>feet) requires a measurement by an accredited admeasurer to determine
>tonnage. If you are over 15 tons I think you must "name register" the
>vessel (once called "blue book registry as they gave you a blue book
>documenting the registration). If your tonnage measures to less than 15 I
>believe you have the choice to name register or provincially license with a
>number.
>

Although vessel license numbers do indicate the province where the
issuing office is located, issuing of licenses is a federal matter,
now handled by Service Canada (which seems to be a general-purpose
"public interface" for many federal government departments.)(to
further confuse the issue, I believe Service New Brunswick (or perhaps
another maritime province) is doing the actual record-keeping on
behalf of the feds.)



--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
 >> Stay informed about: Documentation question?