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Gary Warner

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:40 pm
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Ok, so here are some pictures from yesterday
when we launched for the first time.

http://tinyurl.com/4coae

Generally everything ran well enough that we enjoyed
our first day out. We did have some problems, as
follows:

VOLTAGE REGULATOR: This boat has a generator instead
of an alternator. I knew even before yesterday that
something was wrong with the voltage-regulator. It
is putting out only 10.5 volts. It is fused before it
hits the positive power bus. That fuse got very
hot and burnt out. (15 amp). With the batteries on
the power-bus at 12 volts I'm assuming that
power was trying to flow from the batteries to
the 10.5 volts the regulator was trying to put out.
Anyone know much or have any links to information
about voltage regulators??

LEAK: The boat is plywood lapstrake. Where the bottom-
most strake meets the keel there was a small trickle leak
near the bow. It was enough that over time water accumulated
in the bilge. But it was nothing that the pumps couldn't
take care of when they ran for a few seconds whenever
we stopped. (Underway all the water ran to the back
and the pumps, for various reasons, are in the front.)

SHAFT PACKING: The packing around the prop-shaft
was leaking a few drips. This, I believe, is normal. But at
one point the packing nut came totally apart (still on the
shaft of course). We just tightened it up better and it
stayed fine the rest of the day.

MANIFOLD appears to be leaking water. It might be
only from a freeze plug or might be from there AND a
hairline crack in the bottom. Will have to do more testing.
The amount of water was VERY small. It wasn't so much
leaking or even dripping as it was sweating the water out.

HOT SPARK PLUG & OIL: The front-most plug on
this flat-head 6-cylinder engine got quite hot and was
smoking a little oil when I ran her at 2500 RPMs for
a short time. Strange thing is the temperature gauge goes
into the head right near there and the temp was not
even off the pin. (I do know the temp gauge was working
because if we turned the water intake valve down a
little the engine would start to heat up and the temp
needle would move up.)

CLUTCH SLIPPED: I was not on the boat when this
happened but Dad said that one time at about 2500 RPM
the clutch "slipped". I believe the transmission is a "Paragon".
It shares it's lubricating oil with the engine. I'm thinking that
either it just needs adjustment or that if Dad went from
low RPM to high RPM quickly the forces of that 130
horse engine starting to move that boat made the thing
slip and that maybe that's normal..?? Got to do some
reading about that.

RETRIEVING TO THE TRAILER: This boat, as you
can see in the pictures, has a high-bow. The trailer has
a high bow-post to match. With the trailer backed into
the water the bow-post angle changed as compared to
the boat. So the boat hit the bow post and stopped
before it was fully on the trailer. As we pulled the trailer
out the post "righted" itself and moved away from the
boat. We tried a few times to keep the boat near the
post by keeping tension on a rope (there is no winch
and we're not yet sure if we'll add one). ~ The next
thing we are going to try is: Currently we have a
carpeted wooden block on the trailer that the keel
sets on. When the trailer is in the water and we're
loading the boat this is where all the boat weight is.
We're thinking of replacing the block with rollers.
(Still keeping the four long bunks at the back.) This
way the boat might pull up better to the trailer.


Well, that's about it. We had a nice day. Went
swimming from the boat a few times, had lunch,
and generally enjoyed our labors. Oh, and we
got a few double thumbs-up from on-lookers
and quite a few people coming over to say
"Hi." So that's really nice.


Any help or ideas with these issues will be
greatly appreciated as has all the previous
advise that got us this far has been.

Gary

Pics: http://tinyurl.com/4coae

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:40 pm
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Gary Warner wrote:
 > Ok, so here are some pictures from yesterday
 > when we launched for the first time.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font</a>>
 >
 > Generally everything ran well enough that we enjoyed
 > our first day out. We did have some problems, as
 > follows:
 >
 > VOLTAGE REGULATOR: This boat has a generator instead
 > of an alternator. I knew even before yesterday that
 > something was wrong with the voltage-regulator. It
 > is putting out only 10.5 volts. It is fused before it
 > hits the positive power bus. That fuse got very
 > hot and burnt out. (15 amp). With the batteries on
 > the power-bus at 12 volts I'm assuming that
 > power was trying to flow from the batteries to
 > the 10.5 volts the regulator was trying to put out.
 > Anyone know much or have any links to information
 > about voltage regulators??
 >
 > LEAK: The boat is plywood lapstrake. Where the bottom-
 > most strake meets the keel there was a small trickle leak
 > near the bow. It was enough that over time water accumulated
 > in the bilge. But it was nothing that the pumps couldn't
 > take care of when they ran for a few seconds whenever
 > we stopped. (Underway all the water ran to the back
 > and the pumps, for various reasons, are in the front.)
 >
 > SHAFT PACKING: The packing around the prop-shaft
 > was leaking a few drips. This, I believe, is normal. But at
 > one point the packing nut came totally apart (still on the
 > shaft of course). We just tightened it up better and it
 > stayed fine the rest of the day.
 >
 > MANIFOLD appears to be leaking water. It might be
 > only from a freeze plug or might be from there AND a
 > hairline crack in the bottom. Will have to do more testing.
 > The amount of water was VERY small. It wasn't so much
 > leaking or even dripping as it was sweating the water out.
 >
 > HOT SPARK PLUG & OIL: The front-most plug on
 > this flat-head 6-cylinder engine got quite hot and was
 > smoking a little oil when I ran her at 2500 RPMs for
 > a short time. Strange thing is the temperature gauge goes
 > into the head right near there and the temp was not
 > even off the pin. (I do know the temp gauge was working
 > because if we turned the water intake valve down a
 > little the engine would start to heat up and the temp
 > needle would move up.)
 >
 > CLUTCH SLIPPED: I was not on the boat when this
 > happened but Dad said that one time at about 2500 RPM
 > the clutch "slipped". I believe the transmission is a "Paragon".
 > It shares it's lubricating oil with the engine. I'm thinking that
 > either it just needs adjustment or that if Dad went from
 > low RPM to high RPM quickly the forces of that 130
 > horse engine starting to move that boat made the thing
 > slip and that maybe that's normal..?? Got to do some
 > reading about that.
 >
 > RETRIEVING TO THE TRAILER: This boat, as you
 > can see in the pictures, has a high-bow. The trailer has
 > a high bow-post to match. With the trailer backed into
 > the water the bow-post angle changed as compared to
 > the boat. So the boat hit the bow post and stopped
 > before it was fully on the trailer. As we pulled the trailer
 > out the post "righted" itself and moved away from the
 > boat. We tried a few times to keep the boat near the
 > post by keeping tension on a rope (there is no winch
 > and we're not yet sure if we'll add one). ~ The next
 > thing we are going to try is: Currently we have a
 > carpeted wooden block on the trailer that the keel
 > sets on. When the trailer is in the water and we're
 > loading the boat this is where all the boat weight is.
 > We're thinking of replacing the block with rollers.
 > (Still keeping the four long bunks at the back.) This
 > way the boat might pull up better to the trailer.
 >
 >
 > Well, that's about it. We had a nice day. Went
 > swimming from the boat a few times, had lunch,
 > and generally enjoyed our labors. Oh, and we
 > got a few double thumbs-up from on-lookers
 > and quite a few people coming over to say
 > "Hi." So that's really nice.
 >
 >
 > Any help or ideas with these issues will be
 > greatly appreciated as has all the previous
 > advise that got us this far has been.
 >
 > Gary
 >
<font color=purple> > Pics: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font</a>>
 >
 >
 >
Congratulations. Excellent ride.

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PS:
For those that want to see the entire restoration project
again, here is a link to 93 pics of that...

http://tinyurl.com/spsv
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:50 pm
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Gary Warner wrote:
 > Ok, so here are some pictures from yesterday
 > when we launched for the first time.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font</a>>
 >

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"Harry Krause" <piedtypecase.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > Gary Warner wrote:
  > > Ok, so here are some pictures from yesterday
  > > when we launched for the first time.
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font</a>>
  > >
 >
 > Classy ride, fella...emjoy!

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:17 pm
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  >> Any help or ideas with these issues will be
  >> greatly appreciated as has all the previous
  >> advise that got us this far has been.
  >>
  >> Gary
  >>
<font color=green>  >> Pics: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font</a>>
  >>
  >>
  >>
 > Congratulations. Excellent ride.

Very nice !!

This happens to be my first glimpse of this boat project. Is there a
site which I can visit that shows the initial phase of the restoration
and perhaps the process/timeline? Very interested.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:01 pm
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Chris,

Pics of restoration: http://tinyurl.com/spsv

Pics of making the trailer: http://tinyurl.com/3apc6


I do have a timeline document. It is in MS-WORD format and
only goes through last December. So it does not cover this spring
(2004). I'll send a copy to your email.

Anyone else that wants a copy I'd be happy to send it.

Peace,
Gary
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"Gary Warner" <jabadoodle.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > PS:
 > For those that want to see the entire restoration project
 > again, here is a link to 93 pics of that...
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/spsv</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/spsv</font</a>>

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Beautiful boat..great looking trailer. Hope you have years of enjoyment on
it.
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:40:39 -0400, "Gary Warner" <jabadoodle.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

 >
 >Ok, so here are some pictures from yesterday
 >when we launched for the first time.
 >
 >http://tinyurl.com/4coae
 >
 >Generally everything ran well enough that we enjoyed
 >our first day out. We did have some problems, as
 >follows:
 >
 >VOLTAGE REGULATOR: This boat has a generator instead
 >of an alternator. I knew even before yesterday that
 >something was wrong with the voltage-regulator. It
 >is putting out only 10.5 volts. It is fused before it
 >hits the positive power bus. That fuse got very
 >hot and burnt out. (15 amp). With the batteries on
 >the power-bus at 12 volts I'm assuming that
 >power was trying to flow from the batteries to
 >the 10.5 volts the regulator was trying to put out.
 >Anyone know much or have any links to information
 >about voltage regulators??
 >
 >LEAK: The boat is plywood lapstrake. Where the bottom-
 >most strake meets the keel there was a small trickle leak
 >near the bow. It was enough that over time water accumulated
 >in the bilge. But it was nothing that the pumps couldn't
 >take care of when they ran for a few seconds whenever
 >we stopped. (Underway all the water ran to the back
 >and the pumps, for various reasons, are in the front.)
 >
 >SHAFT PACKING: The packing around the prop-shaft
 >was leaking a few drips. This, I believe, is normal. But at
 >one point the packing nut came totally apart (still on the
 >shaft of course). We just tightened it up better and it
 >stayed fine the rest of the day.
 >
 >MANIFOLD appears to be leaking water. It might be
 >only from a freeze plug or might be from there AND a
 >hairline crack in the bottom. Will have to do more testing.
 >The amount of water was VERY small. It wasn't so much
 >leaking or even dripping as it was sweating the water out.
 >
 >HOT SPARK PLUG & OIL: The front-most plug on
 >this flat-head 6-cylinder engine got quite hot and was
 >smoking a little oil when I ran her at 2500 RPMs for
 >a short time. Strange thing is the temperature gauge goes
 >into the head right near there and the temp was not
 >even off the pin. (I do know the temp gauge was working
 >because if we turned the water intake valve down a
 >little the engine would start to heat up and the temp
 >needle would move up.)
 >
 >CLUTCH SLIPPED: I was not on the boat when this
 >happened but Dad said that one time at about 2500 RPM
 >the clutch "slipped". I believe the transmission is a "Paragon".
 >It shares it's lubricating oil with the engine. I'm thinking that
 >either it just needs adjustment or that if Dad went from
 >low RPM to high RPM quickly the forces of that 130
 >horse engine starting to move that boat made the thing
 >slip and that maybe that's normal..?? Got to do some
 >reading about that.
 >
 >RETRIEVING TO THE TRAILER: This boat, as you
 >can see in the pictures, has a high-bow. The trailer has
 >a high bow-post to match. With the trailer backed into
 >the water the bow-post angle changed as compared to
 >the boat. So the boat hit the bow post and stopped
 >before it was fully on the trailer. As we pulled the trailer
 >out the post "righted" itself and moved away from the
 >boat. We tried a few times to keep the boat near the
 >post by keeping tension on a rope (there is no winch
 >and we're not yet sure if we'll add one). ~ The next
 >thing we are going to try is: Currently we have a
 >carpeted wooden block on the trailer that the keel
 >sets on. When the trailer is in the water and we're
 >loading the boat this is where all the boat weight is.
 >We're thinking of replacing the block with rollers.
 >(Still keeping the four long bunks at the back.) This
 >way the boat might pull up better to the trailer.
 >
 >
 >Well, that's about it. We had a nice day. Went
 >swimming from the boat a few times, had lunch,
 >and generally enjoyed our labors. Oh, and we
 >got a few double thumbs-up from on-lookers
 >and quite a few people coming over to say
 >"Hi." So that's really nice.
 >
 >
 >Any help or ideas with these issues will be
 >greatly appreciated as has all the previous
 >advise that got us this far has been.
 >
 >Gary
 >
<font color=purple> >Pics: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font</a>>
 >
 >
Beautiful boat, beautiful trailer, and beautiful pictures. You do good work.
Thanks for sharing these.

John H

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">
 > VOLTAGE REGULATOR: This boat has a generator instead

Sorry can't help with this one

 > LEAK: The boat is plywood lapstrake. Where the bottom-

My father has a 26 foot Hutchinson runabout. It leaks a bit pretty much all
the time just like yours but its not plywood.


 > SHAFT PACKING: The packing around the prop-shaft
 > was leaking a few drips. This, I believe, is normal. But at
 > one point the packing nut came totally apart (still on the
 > shaft of course). We just tightened it up better and it
 > stayed fine the rest of the day.

I don't believe this is normal, I have fixed shafts that did this and
stopped the leak with new packing material. On the other hand its pretty
minor. The nut coming off is not minor but I don't know enough to say if
you had a one time accident or if its a sign of a problem. I would check
the packing nut from time to time to see if its loosening up on its own.


 >
 > RETRIEVING TO THE TRAILER:

We have exactley the same problem with the trailer that you do. We tie the
boat to the post as tight as possible but the bow seldom rests against the
post when all is said and done. If its not within a couple of inches we
back into the water and do it again. Our post is located a bit further
forward in relation to length of the trailer so if we don't have the boat
snug on the post its still snug on the trailer. If its possible to set your
trailer up so that the sweet spot is 6" to a foot long getting the boat on
the trailer will be easier. We do have rollers in the center.

 >
 >
 > Any help or ideas with these issues will be
 > greatly appreciated as has all the previous
 > advise that got us this far has been.
 >
 > Gary
 >
<font color=purple> > Pics: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font</a>>
 >
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:47 pm
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I had the same trailer problem with a 17' Sail boat. In my case the bow was
floating quite a bit at the point I would set it against the post. When
pulling up the ramp the boat would settle down as I drove foward resulting
in the boat moving backward the distance alowed by the arc of the winch
line. The fix is to not back in so deep and have the bow on the trailer
bunksbefore pulling out. You should have to crank the boat up onto the
trailer at least a couple of inches. This will ensure the boat is positioned
properly and will reduce the potential swinging of the boat off center.

John

"Tom Hunter" <zubian.TakeThisOut@shore.net> wrote in message
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 >
 > ">
  > > VOLTAGE REGULATOR: This boat has a generator instead
 >
 > Sorry can't help with this one
 >
  > > LEAK: The boat is plywood lapstrake. Where the bottom-
 >
 > My father has a 26 foot Hutchinson runabout. It leaks a bit pretty much
all
 > the time just like yours but its not plywood.
 >
 >
  > > SHAFT PACKING: The packing around the prop-shaft
  > > was leaking a few drips. This, I believe, is normal. But at
  > > one point the packing nut came totally apart (still on the
  > > shaft of course). We just tightened it up better and it
  > > stayed fine the rest of the day.
 >
 > I don't believe this is normal, I have fixed shafts that did this and
 > stopped the leak with new packing material. On the other hand its pretty
 > minor. The nut coming off is not minor but I don't know enough to say if
 > you had a one time accident or if its a sign of a problem. I would check
 > the packing nut from time to time to see if its loosening up on its own.
 >
 >
  > >
  > > RETRIEVING TO THE TRAILER:
 >
 > We have exactley the same problem with the trailer that you do. We tie
the
 > boat to the post as tight as possible but the bow seldom rests against the
 > post when all is said and done. If its not within a couple of inches we
 > back into the water and do it again. Our post is located a bit further
 > forward in relation to length of the trailer so if we don't have the boat
 > snug on the post its still snug on the trailer. If its possible to set
your
 > trailer up so that the sweet spot is 6" to a foot long getting the boat on
 > the trailer will be easier. We do have rollers in the center.
 >
  > >
  > >
  > > Any help or ideas with these issues will be
  > > greatly appreciated as has all the previous
  > > advise that got us this far has been.
  > >
  > > Gary
  > >
<font color=green>  > > Pics: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4coae</font</a>>
  > >
  > >
  > >
 >
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