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Since: Aug 13, 2003 Posts: 56
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:16 am
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On 20 Aug 2003 02:36:43 GMT, in rec.boats.paddle you wrote:
>>Nor do I have to purchase an over-priced boat to paddle just because
>>some fudgehead assumes that he knows what I want my boat for!
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>So what you are really saying is that you are a pinhead that is spouting off
>about something you don't know squat about.
Not at all... if you look back on this thread, you'll note that I make several
very good arguments about purchasing a canoe that is sufficient
for the tasks I plan on using it for, that I am a seasoned boater,
and that I am very happy with my canoe. Hopefully, you can also discern
from looking at this thread that you're now proving yourself an ass by
replying to my message with an ad-hominem remark rather than admitting
that (for my purposes) the Pelican/Coleman canoe is a good choice.
>If you are happy paddling a plastic
>trashcan with an aluminum frame out of a lawn chair, more power to you.
You're obviously not familiar with the Pelican Explorer canoe, also.
>Last post on this thread, since you don't seem inclined to be civil.
I agree with your actions... shut up.
>There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of stupid people.
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Since: Jun 26, 2003 Posts: 86
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:43 pm
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lrcable.RemoveThis@aol.comnospam (Larry Cable) typed:
> In article <d01cae46.0308191657.4c6ac0c8.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>, garrison.RemoveThis@efn.org
> (Garrison Hilliard) writes:
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> >Nor do I have to purchase an over-priced boat to paddle just because
> >some fudgehead assumes that he knows what I want my boat for!
> >
> >
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> So what you are really saying is that you are a pinhead that is spouting off
> about something you don't know squat about. If you are happy paddling a plastic
> trashcan with an aluminum frame out of a lawn chair, more power to you.
>
> Last post on this thread, since you don't seem inclined to be civil.
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> There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of stupid people.
Give it up, Larry; this guy shows five of the classic signs of a
troll:
1) Posts a strongly worded message in support of the minority position
on a (not really very) controversial issue.
2) Preempts any reasonable discussion by declaring at the outset that
everyone who might disagree is a "canoe snob".
3) Completely twists yer statements to "prove" his point (e.g., you
typed "is it ok...sure", and he twisted that into "you admitted it is
the best for the job".
4) Won't give an inch, even where he is obviously wrong. E. g., he
won't reply to my message since he can't flame me (because I agreed
with him that the Coleman may, indeed, be the best boat for his
purposes) yet he cannot admit that the Coleman might be woefully
inadequate for many other people and purposes.
5) Starts cussing out everyone who disagrees with him.
He is not interested in discussion, he will not engage in civil
dialog, and you did the right thing when you bailed out of his thread.
I, too, am outta here; life's too short to squander many minutes on
trolls.
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Since: Aug 18, 2003 Posts: 14
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:52 pm
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"Garrison Hilliard" <garrison RemoveThis @efn.org> wrote:
>I have no illusions... I sinply have an inexpansive canoe that fits my needs perfectly (I just used it to circumnavigate and
>fish the 188 acres of "Winton Woods Lake"... it was the perfect boat to slip over those mud flats and submerged logs).
Just a little clarification here about Winton Woods - the info is at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hamiltoncountyparks.org/parks/winton_woods/" target="_blank">http://www.hamiltoncountyparks.org/parks/winton_woods/</a>
>>I think the original post was just a troll, anyhow....
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Since: Aug 18, 2003 Posts: 14
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:54 pm
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"Garrison Hilliard" <garrison.DeleteThis@efn.org> wrote:
>I have no illusions... I sinply have an inexpansive canoe that fits my needs perfectly (I just used it to circumnavigate and
>fish the 188 acres of "Winton Woods Lake"... it was the perfect boat to slip over those mud flats and submerged logs).
Just a little clarification here about Winton Woods - the info is at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hamiltoncountyparks.org/parks/winton_woods/" target="_blank">http://www.hamiltoncountyparks.org/parks/winton_woods/</a>
>>I think the original post was just a troll, anyhow....
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Since: Jul 17, 2003 Posts: 29
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:56 pm
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"Garrison Hilliard" <garrison.RemoveThis@efn.org> wrote in message
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> "Bob" <desmobob.RemoveThis@capital.net> wrote:
> >> Coleman's sell to cottage owners who have more sense than
> >> your trend following "canoeist".
> >
> >No... Coleman sells to people that are: a) ignorant of canoe design,
and/or,
> >b) so cheap all they care about is the price.
>
> Guess again, monkey-boy!
I don't know you (or care to) but I get the impression you are an a**hole
that deserves to spend life paddling a crappy canoe.
Good paddling to you,
Bob
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Since: Aug 13, 2003 Posts: 56
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:09 pm
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:16:22 +0000, Garrison Hilliard <garrison.TakeThisOut@efn.org> wrote:
>>If you are happy paddling a plastic
>>trashcan with an aluminum frame out of a lawn chair, more power to you.
>
>You're obviously not familiar with the Pelican Explorer canoe, also.
Just to let you know, my canoe is VERY similar to the one found at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pelican-intl.com/page.asp?intNodeID=5260&sysStr=PCAT30:action-sList_class-865,37858_intCurID-10_sPos-0;" target="_blank">http://www.pelican-intl.com/page.asp?intNodeID=5260&sysStr=PCAT30:acti...sList_c</a>
except that believe that my boat has a slightly flatter bottom and is termed an
"Explorer".
p.s. And yes, I LIKE and have used the used the little cooler at midships!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: DEFENDING THE HONOR OF MY PELICAN/COLEMAN CANOE! |
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Since: Jul 20, 2003 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:02 am
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AMEN John!
Geez! What is with everybody here? Garrison is happy with his boat, OK????
I'm been reading this thread, and with all the energy that's going into
bashing him for not buying the $2000 YuppySchooner, I'm beginning to think
that maybe there really IS some serious sticker-shock going on here.
This ng is supposed to be about canoeing enthusiast. Do we ALL have to be
whitewater junkies, or do you think maybe we can... just for once, let
somebody enjoy the cheaper side of the world?
I've got lots of hobbies that cost me bucks, I'm an avid snow skier... and
live in Alabama! Think that costs a few bucks? And then there's the dirt
biking SORRY! I don't have the new YZF 250 Yamaha... My old DR350 Suzuki is
still fun, and I don't have to pay 5 grand to ride it! What about those 10
year old roller blades that I use to keep my skiing balance in the summer?
Oh, and lets not forget the 10 year-old Trek Mountain bike... What am I, a
troll??? I should have a new $5000 Cannondale!
Oh, and then there's my canoe... it's not the fastest, the easiest turning,
it's not the lightest, and I'm still pretty new to the sport... but I still
have had a blast with my Green Pelican Explorer. It's probably not the best
at anything (but the cooler IS cool)... but it works .... and I enjoy it.
Isn't that what it's all about? I thought it was.
And you know .... there is something to be said about taking the simple
approach sometimes. Before I bought my canoe, I called a buddy of mine
that's been an avid canoe junky for over 25 years... used to teach
canoing.... has had his current aluminum canoe for 23 years and loves it
like the day he got it. I asked him about the Pelican, and he checked it
out for me. Came back and said there were two obvious opinions... One
was... It's not the best canoe.... but for the $$ it's great! Dwaine said
the nay sayers clearly just didn't get it... on his recommendation I bought
the boat.
Am I an expert in a canoe? NO... will I ever be? probably not. I've been
dirt biking for 30 years, though, and 8 year olds blast around me... does
that make it any less fun? NO!
Keep paddling, Garrison! You've got the right idea, and you've given me a
lot of inexpensive ideas about flotation in my canoe...
John - THANKS!
Everybody else - Lighten up, man! Canoing is about enjoying the time on the
water. It doesn't matter if you're in an old carved out tree trunk if
you're enjoying it...
-Steve Troyer
"John Kuthe" <johnkuthe.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Garrison Hilliard wrote:
> >
> > My green Ram-X 15' 6" "Explorer DLX" may not be the fastest
> > or most easily paddled canoe out there but, by gum, it's
> > extremely tough, extremely stable, and was amazingly inexpensive
> > to purchase at the local "Dick's" sporting goods store! Also,
> > it's a WONDERFUL boat for the purposes I use it for - fishing,
> > recreational paddling on placid park lakes, and occasional
> > trips down the slow, scenic rivers in the Midwest.
> [deletia]
>
> Right on man! 'Tis bettter to be on the water than standin' on the shore
> wishin'!
>
> What rivers you boat in the midwest? Any in MO? We have a lot! I WW
> kayak mostly, but have boated most major flatwater rivers in MO too!
>
> --
> John Kuthe,
> 1st rule of Govt: protect people from Govt
> 2nd rule of Govt: protect people from each other
> BUT: It must *never* become the job of Govt to protect people from
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Since: Jun 25, 2003 Posts: 63
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:11 pm
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In article <ba9akvk9p2gs4o1egnc33h0bvpapgaoe70.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Garrison Hilliard
<garrison.DeleteThis@efn.org> writes:
>>You're obviously not familiar with the Pelican Explorer canoe, also.
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>Just to let you know, my canoe is VERY similar to the one found at
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Give it up, I'm very familar with your canoe. I've been pulling these things
out of rivers for almost 25 years. It's a thin poly boat reinforced with
aluminum tubing. The only thing that these boats have going for them is that
they are just about the cheapest canoe you can buy. If that is your only
concern, then why bother posting. If you actually think it is a wonderful
performing boat, then you haven't ever tried a real canoe.
A quick web search can give you a dozen canoes that are within $150 dollars of
the retail on these boats. Many of these are far superior canoes in both
durability and performance. Why do you think that these are marketed to what
amounts to the non-paddling public? Because anyone that has done a bit of
research and demoed a few boats, or has paddling experience, doesn't buy them.
SYOTR
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Since: Jul 03, 2003 Posts: 104
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:11 pm
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lrcable.DeleteThis@aol.comnospam (Larry Cable) wrote:
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> Give it up, I'm very familar with your canoe. I've been pulling these things
> out of rivers for almost 25 years. It's a thin poly boat reinforced with
> aluminum tubing.
Larry,
That it probably is. I'm all too familiar with Coleman's and agree
with your assessment of their design and performance.
However, I noted in the latest issue of Paddle Dealer that Pelican is
comeing out with two new "touring" canoes with a foam-core composition
(RamXcel) and - drum roll please - NO clumsy aluminum armature.
So far, so good. Unfortunately, from what I've seen in photos of the
new Pelican line, the same basic "stackable" hull shape has been
retained to facilitate shipping the boats nestled.
And these improved Pelicans will be considerably more expensive than
the previous aluminum-armature versions. The 15' Coleman/Pelican with
the aluminum frame was routinely sold for $250. The new version
Pelicans MSRP at $449 for the 14 footer and $549 for the 16 footer.
Given the still inefficient "stackable" hull design the same amount of
money will continue to buy a far better designed used canoe made by
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Since: Aug 13, 2003 Posts: 56
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:07 pm
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On 20 Aug 2003 02:36:43 GMT, lrcable RemoveThis @aol.comnospam (Larry Cable) wrote:
>Give it up, I'm very familar with your canoe.
Give it up, you're a "boat snob" and a liar.
In the prior posting <20030819223643.12501.00001626 RemoveThis @mb-m04.aol.com>, Larry
wrote:
>Last post on this thread, since you don't seem inclined to be civil.
>If you actually think it is a wonderful
>performing boat, then you haven't ever tried a real canoe.
If you'll recall, it is a wonderful performing boat FOR THE PURPOSES I USE IT
FOR - fishing and flatwater paddling. I am not now, never will be, and never
have been interested in canoe racing or whitewater riding - I don't NEED a
vee-hulled, extreme rockered, ultralight boat costing several thousand dollars,
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Since: Jul 17, 2003 Posts: 29
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:59 pm
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Geesh... ever meet a fisherman that goes trolling and then is upset because
he hooks a few fish?
I believe most all here at rec.boats.paddle are not the least bit snobbish.
If you're having a good time, we're all happy. But you brought all this on
yourself when you started this thread. What did you expect?
Why don't you head over to the auto enthusiasts' newsgroup and proclaim that
you've decided a Yugo is the ultimate car for you, and anyone that suggests
an American/Japanese/European car might be better is just a snob and a fool?
Do you think they'd applaud you?
I'm honestly happy that you are so happy with your boat. It's fun to buy
something that really satisfies. It's fun to get out on the water and
paddle.
Why would you possibly be upset that people would like to see you have a
better boat and enjoy it MORE? That's what I see happening here.... people
are suggesting how you might get even more fun and satisfaction for your
dollar spent, and you're calling them snobs.
If you were my neighbor, I'd let you test-paddle my canoes. I'm sure you'd
change your mind on the snobbery thing. I'd help you find a deal on a good
used boat too.
Good paddling,
Bob Scott
"Garrison Hilliard" <garrison DeleteThis @efn.org> wrote in message
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> On 20 Aug 2003 02:36:43 GMT, lrcable DeleteThis @aol.comnospam (Larry Cable) wrote:
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>
> >Give it up, I'm very familar with your canoe.
>
> Give it up, you're a "boat snob" and a liar.
>
> In the prior posting <20030819223643.12501.00001626 DeleteThis @mb-m04.aol.com>, Larry
> wrote:
>
> >Last post on this thread, since you don't seem inclined to be civil.
>
>
> >If you actually think it is a wonderful
> >performing boat, then you haven't ever tried a real canoe.
>
> If you'll recall, it is a wonderful performing boat FOR THE PURPOSES I USE
IT
> FOR - fishing and flatwater paddling. I am not now, never will be, and
never
> have been interested in canoe racing or whitewater riding - I don't NEED
a
> vee-hulled, extreme rockered, ultralight boat costing several thousand
dollars,
> nor do I want such a boat!
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Since: Jun 25, 2003 Posts: 63
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:49 am
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>mccrea@umbi.umd.edu (Mike McCrea)
>And these improved Pelicans will be considerably more expensive than
>the previous aluminum-armature versions. The 15' Coleman/Pelican with
>the aluminum frame was routinely sold for $250. The new version
>Pelicans MSRP at $449 for the 14 footer and $549 for the 16 footer.
>Given the still inefficient "stackable" hull design the same amount of
>money will continue to buy a far better designed used canoe made by
>Dagger, Old Town, Mad River, Mohawk, etc.
The MSRP that you are giving is for the old style boats with the aluminum
frames. I didn't even see the foam core ones on their
website. Even in new boats, there are several of the Buffalo, Old Town and
Mohawks that are under the $700 dollar,
even better at year end sales. Great Canadian makes nice hulls for very
reasonable.
SYOTR
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Since: Jun 25, 2003 Posts: 63
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:07 am
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> Garrison Hilliard garrison.TakeThisOut@efn.org
ranted in >Message-ID: <objckvkr93l8ev5e9kd3lui02qq7gp75qv.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>
>If you'll recall, it is a wonderful performing boat FOR THE PURPOSES I USE IT
>FOR - fishing and flatwater paddling. I am not now, never will be, and never
>have been interested in canoe racing or whitewater riding - I don't NEED a
>vee-hulled, extreme rockered, ultralight boat costing several thousand
>dollars,
>nor do I want such a boat!
>
>
When did I ever suggest that you purchase a $2000 boat? What I stated was that
for very little more money, you could have bought a boat that is a better
choice in durablitiy and performance than a Coleman/Pelican. A quick search of
Paddling.net and I can come up with 55 canoes that cost under $800, a good many
of which are far superior crafts for fishing
and gunkholing than a coleman.
If you are just concerned about getting the lowest price boat, then you are on
the money. If you are looking for an easy paddling and stable
fishing platform, there are many better choice.
My choice for a fishing platform would be an Old Town Guide. Wow, guess what?
It does cost thousands of dollars and is a much easier paddling and stable
craft.
Maybe you should actually try some other boats before you start talking about
how wonderful a coleman is.
SYOTR
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 10:18 pm
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The people who claim the Coleman boats are bought by novices who do not
know what they are getting into should look instead at all the novices who
overpay for boats, paddles, clothing, and gear which they use once or
twice and then try to sell at bargain prices in the second hand market.
That's what I can't stand to see. And I've seen it over and over. People
who are influenced by glossy advertising in canoe and kayak periodicals, or
buy from "outfitter" stores instead of Canadian Tire and Walmart. They just
get stung.
The person who started this thread seemed to want to make the point that
Colemnan canoes are a good buy for the kind of paddlign he does. I think,
like myself, he is against the sale of expensive paddling equipment to
people who do not have a need for it, and lack the experience and
judgement to know any better. Its a valid argument and one to which I
subscribe.
But hey, as far as I'm concerned, a Coleman is a waste of money when you
can buy a couple sheets of 1/4 inch plywood, a tube of PL Premium, a box
of screws, and make your own boat for under $100. My last two boats were
made of one sheet of plywood each and cost less than $25 Canadian per
boat. One is a paddlign boat, the other is a sailing boat. And they suit
my purposes to a "t".
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Since: Aug 13, 2003 Posts: 56
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 11:04 pm
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On 23 Aug 2003 19:18:51 GMT, ag384.DeleteThis@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R. Watt) wrote:
>But hey, as far as I'm concerned, a Coleman is a waste of money when you
>can buy a couple sheets of 1/4 inch plywood, a tube of PL Premium, a box
>of screws, and make your own boat for under $100. My last two boats were
>made of one sheet of plywood each and cost less than $25 Canadian per
>boat. One is a paddlign boat, the other is a sailing boat. And they suit
>my purposes to a "t".
Well, if it fits your purposes well, it's the boat for you!
Personally, I thought about making my own canoe, but the durablity,
fixablity, and low purchase price made me pick a polyethelene Pelican craft.
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